Is trump hitler reincarnated or hitlers son ?

[Valcazar]

Nothing about a Democrat's decision and all about the interpretation of the Constitution:

What does Section 3 of the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution say?
Also known as the "disqualification clause," Section 3 of the 14th Amendment states:


The provision applies to those who have taken an oath to support the U.S. Constitution and either "engaged in insurrection or rebellion" against the U.S. or "give aid or comfort to the enemies" of the nation. Section 3 allows Congress to "remove such disability" by a two-thirds vote of the House and Senate.

But how each state determines if this is to be applied and assessed is currently up to each state, since there is no national election for President, only state elections for electors.

 

[Valcazar]

Has anything been proven in a court of law?

That's not the Constitutional standard, though.
It might be in specific states.
As you know, each state runs its own elections according to its own rules (with some Federal guidelines).

And failing that, is it arguable that those removing him from the ballot are.

Breaking their oaths and
b) engaging in rebellion.

Arguable in what way?
What oaths have they broken and what rebellion are they engaging in?

And at the end of the day, if “80” or “90” percent of citizens want him….its a democracy isn’t it?

Sure.
But since his support isn't anywhere near that, it is weird you keep trying to use that as an argument.
Hell, the biggest landslides in US Presidential history were only around the 60% mark.

Say someone had 90% support from the people but was 30 years old - do you feel that the US should ignore its Constitution in that case and make them President?
There is certainly an argument to be made there, but I doubt we will ever see those numbers.
You can theoretically win the presidency with about 23% of the vote; do you think that someone who has 77% of the vote should just be put in despite the rules?

 

[Not getting younger]

But that's not how the system works now and not how we elected the first time.
Do you think he never should have been President?



If 80% of the electorate voted for a single candidate, I doubt anyone would push against it.
But why are you dodging the question?

Do you or do you not think there should be rules about who has access to a ballot?
It sounds like you are saying no.
It also sounds like you would prefer that there is direct election of the President and no electoral college.

This isn't a trap, I am asking you - on the philosophical question of whether or not there should be any rules governing ballot access - what you believe.
I haven't even gotten into the question of how you think those votes should be counted.



It is a democracy, and anyone who has ever paid any attention to that "very simple concept" knows that counting votes and voting systems are incredibly important and need to be thought about.
So why are you so afraid to think about such basic, simple things?

If people in Jail can be POTUS….
And has he been convicted of insurrection?


Don’t let simple things get in your way Valcazar.
Whether they be what the majority want and seemingly the issue, or that your not god, and yours isn’t the only opinion, nor way to view the world.

 

[Valcazar]

Yes we can. Read your reply. Who made you god that you get to say that?

No one made me god.
I'm not mind reading here, I'm looking at the espoused philosophies involved.

 

[Not getting younger]

No one made me god.
I'm not mind reading here, I'm looking at the espoused philosophies involved.

Nah, your just being a dick trying to pick a fight.
has he been convicted?
Would seem like a heck of a lot people do want him on the ballet. And obviously it seem to be an issue down there, or are you not paying attention to news out of the US

Why?
They define freedom as "You don't get to tell me what to do, I get to tell you what to do".
Of course they love authoritarianism.

The irony is comical.

If for no other reason ( though there’s More) than almost everyone here ( there might be a few) have no say in it. Don’t vote there. So..

 

[Valcazar]

If people in Jail can be POTUS….

Yes, people can be arrested and convicted of felonies and still be POTUS.
No one has ever done it before, but it is perfectly Constitutional.
Now, are there states where they have ballot access laws that address this? I don't know.
Probably not, because it isn't something that comes up often.

And has he been convicted of insurrection?

If someone is convicted of the federal crime of insurrection, they cannot hold office.
This is actually listed as a punishment for that specific federal crime.
This is separate from the 14th amendment (although some people think it shouldn't be) since the people who have been barred under the 14th amendment in the past were not convicted of that crime.
This probably has to do with the Constitutional amendment saying "shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof ", which obviously implies you don't have to have committed the crime itself.

Don’t let simple things get in your way Valcazar.
Whether they be what the majority want and seemingly the issue, or that your not god, and yours isn’t the only opinion, nor way to view the world.

Of course my opinion isn't the only one.
That's why people marshal arguments and make laws and rules and systems.
I'm not sure why you seem to be so against the idea.

 

[Valcazar]

Nah, your just being a dick trying to pick a fight.

You seem to be the one picking a fight.
I'm discussing the law and constitution.

has he been convicted?

No, and he does not have to be according to the Constitution.
I'm not sure why you are having trouble with that.

Would seem like a heck of a lot people do want him on the ballet.

They do.
How many people wanting him on the ballot should it take to suspend constitutional order?
You seem to be saying that the number is up around 80-90%, which is nowhere near the number who support him.

And obviously it seem to be an issue down there, or are you not paying attention to news out of the US

Of course it is an issue.
We wouldn't be discussing it otherwise.

The irony is comical.

If for no other reason ( though there’s More) than almost everyone here ( there might be a few) have no say in it. Don’t vote there. So..

Not having a say in US elections has never stopped people on this board from commenting.
But, since I do vote in US elections, I find such things of personal importance.

 

[Not getting younger]

You seem to be the one picking a fight.
I'm discussing the law and constitution.



No, and he does not have to be according to the Constitution.
I'm not sure why you are having trouble with that.



They do.
How many people wanting him on the ballot should it take to suspend constitutional order?
You seem to be saying that the number is up around 80-90%, which is nowhere near the number who support him.



Of course it is an issue.
We wouldn't be discussing it otherwise.



Not having a say in US elections has never stopped people on this board from commenting.
But, since I do vote in US elections, I find such things of personal importance.

Not having a say in US elections has never stopped people on this board from commenting.
But, since I do vote in US elections, I find such things of personal importance.

No it hasn’t.
Suggest you go back through the past 3-5 pages. Count the threads started by either side.. I’ll go further and suggest there are people here, more interested and in tune with shit there, than their own backyards. Again count threads…

And at the end of the day, if they decide they want a pos POTUS. It’s a their country and their lives and a supposedly free world. As it relates specifically to this topic. Until he’s convicted…….

 

[Valcazar]

And at the end of the day, if they decide they want a pos POTUS. It’s a their country and their lives and a supposedly free world. As it relates specifically to this topic. Until he’s convicted…….

It is our country.
And our country has rules about qualifying for elections.
Not sure why you are saying they should ignore those rules and make exceptions just for Trump like your insisting he has to be convicted when the Constitution says otherwise.

 

[Frankfooter]

And at the end of the day, if they decide they want a pos POTUS. It’s a their country and their lives and a supposedly free world. As it relates specifically to this topic. Until he’s convicted…….

So if Obama decided to run again you'd say he should be allowed?

 

[Valcazar]

So if Obama decided to run again you'd say he should be allowed?

Only if 80 to 90 percent of the people wanted it, I guess.
I don't think NGY is going to clarify his position in any detail.

 

[Not getting younger]

Only if 80 to 90 percent of the people wanted it, I guess.
I don't think NGY is going to clarify his position in any detail.

How droll, how very typical and liberal of you. Trouble reading and grasping English god? Aren’t you the king of hypocrisy.

And at the end of the day, if they decide they want a pos POTUS. It’s a their country and their lives and a supposedly free world. As it relates specifically to this topic. Until he’s convicted…….

 

[Not getting younger]

You seem to be the one picking a fight.
I'm discussing the law and constitution.



No, and he does not have to be according to the Constitution.
I'm not sure why you are having trouble with that.



They do.
How many people wanting him on the ballot should it take to suspend constitutional order?
You seem to be saying that the number is up around 80-90%, which is nowhere near the number who support him.



Of course it is an issue.
We wouldn't be discussing it otherwise.



Not having a say in US elections has never stopped people on this board from commenting.
But, since I do vote in US elections, I find such things of personal importance.

shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof "

Who gets to say he is guilty of those things. You god? Cool, let’s just do away with another fundamental pillar of democracy…

I suppose that’s why many critics and or “objective” people are waiting for the SCC. Many critics I might point out who are from other countries ( thus aren’t invested), practice law, and aren’t sure it will fly…..I might also point out many critics who call spades spades and the US highly partisan, polarized and dysfunctional..Or do you not read the news very often……Don’t let facts, logic and law get in your way libtard.

What was it you said earlier about the right? So much irony…..

As far as “picking a fight”. I strongly suggest you go back through the post order. Who responded to who and what…..But that’s what you do isn’t it god. Your opinion is right there’s only one way and one worldview., it’s your way or no way. Proof is in many threads. And this thread…..Once again, I strongly suggest you read some news on it from abroad that doesn’t fit your confirmation bias…And irony is rich.

“mind reading”
Some people need to go through life being told what to think. And there are those who ( like you) who believe it’s their place to tell others what to think….

Others prefer to let people think for themselves and or to think period. They provide information, or other viewpoints and not much else. and then are content to let people make informed decisions………An approach you clearly, have issues with.

They define freedom as "You don't get to tell me what to do, I get to tell you what to do".
Of course they love authoritarianism.

Would seem you like a world of the former want to dictate one worldview ( yours) and mute bobble heads.

Laughs hard at the irony.

 

[dirtydaveiii]

Who gets to say he is guilty of those things. You god? Cool, let’s just do away with another fundamental pillar of democracy…

I suppose that’s why many critics and or “objective” people are waiting for the SCC. Many critics I might point out who are from other countries ( thus aren’t invested), practice law, and aren’t sure it will fly…..I might also point out many critics who call spades spades and the US highly partisan, polarized and dysfunctional..Or do you not read the news very often……Don’t let facts, logic and law get in your way libtard.

What was it you said earlier about the right? So much irony…..

As far as “picking a fight”. I strongly suggest you go back through the post order. Who responded to who and what…..But that’s what you do isn’t it god. Your opinion is right there’s only one way and one worldview., it’s your way or no way. Proof is in many threads. And this thread…..Once again, I strongly suggest you read some news on it from abroad that doesn’t fit your confirmation bias…And irony is rich.

“mind reading”
Some people need to go through life being told what to think. And there are those who ( like you) who believe it’s their place to tell others what to think….

Others prefer to let people think for themselves and or to think period. They provide information, or other viewpoints and not much else. and then are content to let people make informed decisions………An approach you clearly, have issues with.


Would seem you like a world of the former want to dictate one worldview ( yours) and mute bobble heads.

Laughs hard at the irony.

Trump is clearly guilty of giving aid and comfort to convicted insurrectionists. He still denies that insurrection is wrong. There really is no question

 

[Frankfooter]

Who gets to say he is guilty of those things.

The courts.

So far they have jailed hundreds of his supporters for doing his bidding and are now working their way up to the orange mussolini as leader.

 

[Not getting younger]

Trump is clearly guilty of giving aid and comfort to convicted insurrectionists. He still denies that insurrection is wrong. There really is no question

Prove that.
just because you say it’s so, doesn’t make it so…who made you god?

It could also be “argued”. What are you and democrats so afraid . In hundreds of threads, and in the U.S. in your opinion he is a pos, and many things unsavoury. Are you afraid of polls, that suggest the American people want him, and you might lose? Why not just let him run, lose handily and be done with it. Or might it be more accurate to suggest your not as cocksure..me, I tend to agree with the assessments of his character, and tend to think, let him run…so the question is what the fuck are you afraid of if you have the conviction of your belief/opinion.

It could also be “argued”, why are you so worried about the SCC. Why not simply wait until they chime in…and follow due process, the law…

it can also be “argued”..Not unlike the 2nd it was written at a time when well regulated militias didn’t have semi automatics and 30 round magazines. Or do you like sucking and blowing and changing your arguments when it’s suits your end goal.

Could the disqualification clause prevent Donald Trump from running for president in 2024?

Theoretically, yes. Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment gives Congress the power to disqualify someone who has already held a public office from holding "any office" if they participate in an "insurrection or rebellion" against the United States.

But since this mechanism has never been used against a president, there are still questions to resolve. The disqualification clause applies to current and former federal officials, state officials, and military officials. However, legal scholars are split on whether the disqualification clause applies to the presidency

https://constitution.findlaw.com/amendment14/annotation15.html

Read the last sentence highlighted and bolded in red for your ease in reading. 1,000 times if you have to before you fully absorb it.

So who made you god?

 

[dirtydaveiii]

Prove that.
just because you say it’s so, doesn’t make it so…who made you god?

It could also be “argued”. What are you and democrats so afraid . In hundreds of threads, and in the U.S. in your opinion he is a pos, and many things unsavoury. Are you afraid of polls, that suggest the American people want him, and you might lose? Why not just let him run, lose handily and be done with it. Or might it be more accurate to suggest your not as cocksure..me, I tend to agree with the assessments of his character, and tend to think, let him run…so the question is what the fuck are you afraid of if you have the conviction of your belief/opinion.

It could also be “argued”, why are you so worried about the SCC. Why not simply wait until they chime in…and follow due process, the law…

it can also be “argued”..Not unlike the 2nd it was written at a time when well regulated militias didn’t have semi automatics and 30 round magazines. Or do you like sucking and blowing and changing your arguments when it’s suits your end goal.

https://constitution.findlaw.com/amendment14/annotation15.html

Read the last sentence highlighted and bolded in red for your ease in reading. 1,000 times if you have to before you fully absorb it.

So who made you god?

Here ya go 'Not getting smarter'

Donald Trump praises Jan. 6 rioters: "Great patriots"

The former president made the comments during a Friday appearance on the right-wing channel Real America's Voice.

www.newsweek.com

The Trump campaign embraces Jan. 6 rioters with money and pardon promises

Three years after supporters of Donald Trump violently stormed the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, the future of the criminal cases against the rioters may hinge on the presidential election.

news.wfsu.org

Trump says he's paying legal fees for some Jan. 6 attackers and looking 'very seriously at full pardons'

Former President Donald Trump on Thursday claimed that he was providing financial aid to some of the people charged in relation to the January 6 insurrection, according to Business Insider.There are more than 900 Jan. 6 attackers who are facing charges from the Justice Department and of those...

www.rawstory.com

 

[Frankfooter]

Prove that.
just because you say it’s so, doesn’t make it so…who made you god?

It could also be “argued”. What are you and democrats so afraid . In hundreds of threads, and in the U.S. in your opinion he is a pos, and many things unsavoury. Are you afraid of polls, that suggest the American people want him, and you might lose? Why not just let him run, lose handily and be done with it. Or might it be more accurate to suggest your not as cocksure..me, I tend to agree with the assessments of his character, and tend to think, let him run…so the question is what the fuck are you afraid of if you have the conviction of your belief/opinion.

It could also be “argued”, why are you so worried about the SCC. Why not simply wait until they chime in…and follow due process, the law…

it can also be “argued”..Not unlike the 2nd it was written at a time when well regulated militias didn’t have semi automatics and 30 round magazines. Or do you like sucking and blowing and changing your arguments when it’s suits your end goal.

https://constitution.findlaw.com/amendment14/annotation15.html

Read the last sentence highlighted and bolded in red for your ease in reading. 1,000 times if you have to before you fully absorb it.

So who made you god?

Why don't you read the charges and then tell the board why you think they are wrong.

The Trump Jan. 6 Indictment, Annotated (Published 2023)

The federal indictment unveiled on Tuesday charges former President Donald J. Trump with four crimes related to his efforts to overturn the 2020 election, culminating in the Capitol riot on Jan. 6, 2021.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Valcazar]

How droll, how very typical and liberal of you. Trouble reading and grasping English god? Aren’t you the king of hypocrisy.

You're the one who keeps bringing up the 80-90 percent threshold, not me.

If you want to make a clear argument, you have every opportunity to.

We won't hold our breath, of course, given your track record.

You wouldn't even answer the simple question of whether or not you feel there should be eligibility rules at all.

 

[Skoob]

It warms my heart seeing the fear among the Trump haters brewing at the thought of him running for election.

The most interesting part is reading how "righteous" they feel that the rule of law is being applied, blah, blah, blah, when what they are really thinking is that they just hate the guy regardless and want to impose their will to remove him from the election...the opposite of democracy.

The hypocrisy of the left is hilarious!

True commies!

What are you all afraid of?