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[Frankfooter]

Those deaths are simply not "genocide". That is NOT arguable because genocide is something different. Here you go. Here's the definition. Read it.

Genocide - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The deaths are genocide, mandrill.

We have statements by multiple Israeli leaders, including Netanyahu, calling for genocide and using genocidal language. We have the leader of the IDF calling Palestinians 'human animals'. We have previous examples of Israel 'counting calories' and controlling the food allowed into Gaza based on keeping Palestinians as close to starvation levels as they could get away with.

Now we see genocide in two forms.

1) Through bombings and attacks. Israel is clearly targeting residential areas, they have destroyed bakeries, food warehouses and taken almost every hospital out of action through bombs and raids. They tell people to go to safe areas then bomb them on route and bomb them in the safe area. 100% of Palestinians in Gaza say they don't think there is anywhere safe.

2) Withholding food, water, medicine and power. The UNWFP says 97% of in the north and 83% in the south are experiencing severe hunger. The WFP, WHO, Save the Children and the UNRWA all say mass starvation is imminent.

Its a fucking genocide and you're here posting total bullshit, staged IDF videos like mitch posting his MAGA bullshit.

Here, read this from that commie, socialist paper The Hill.

Palestinians in Gaza at risk of starvation, aid groups warn

Palestinians are at a severe risk of starvation in Gaza due to lack of access to food, fuel and price gouging as Israel continues to bombard the territory, multiple aid groups warn. Numerous aid gr…

thehill.com

How about those antisemites at the Washington Post?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/12/09/gaza-starvation-israel-war-united-states-veto/

How about those Hamas supporters the BBC?

Israel-Gaza war: Half of Gaza's population is starving, warns UN

Conditions in Gaza have made the delivery of food almost impossible, the UN World Food Programme says.

www.bbc.com

 

[Darts]

It is times like now when the Jews/Israeli know who are their friends and who aren't.

 

[Frankfooter]

It is times like now when the Jews/Israeli know who are their friends and who aren't.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1733341370796961805

 

[niniveh]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1733341370796961805

Chas Freeman, ex US Ambassador to Saudi, and the bane of AIPAC for decades, speaks his mind.

 

[mandrill]

The deaths are genocide, mandrill.

We have statements by multiple Israeli leaders, including Netanyahu, calling for genocide and using genocidal language. We have the leader of the IDF calling Palestinians 'human animals'. We have previous examples of Israel 'counting calories' and controlling the food allowed into Gaza based on keeping Palestinians as close to starvation levels as they could get away with.

Now we see genocide in two forms.

1) Through bombings and attacks. Israel is clearly targeting residential areas, they have destroyed bakeries, food warehouses and taken almost every hospital out of action through bombs and raids. They tell people to go to safe areas then bomb them on route and bomb them in the safe area. 100% of Palestinians in Gaza say they don't think there is anywhere safe.

2) Withholding food, water, medicine and power. The UNWFP says 97% of in the north and 83% in the south are experiencing severe hunger. The WFP, WHO, Save the Children and the UNRWA all say mass starvation is imminent.

Its a fucking genocide and you're here posting total bullshit, staged IDF videos like mitch posting his MAGA bullshit.

Like I said in the other thread, Frankie. Israel isn't deliberately hampering aid efforts. It's just difficult to feed 2M people and HAMAS steals the food. The militiamen in their underwear look pretty fat to me.

Hopefully, the fighting will be over in a couple of weeks and the food situation can improve in the meantime.

No one supports those comments by Netanyahu. OTOH, Israelis are very angry after 7 October. Hell, I'm very angry whenever I see news items about those hostages.

Israel bombs hospitals and civilian areas because there are HAMAS military installations there. Frankie, in a region of 2M people, the fact that there have been 10k - 20k civilian casualties in 2 months of fighting suggests that reasonable care is being taken to avoid civilian casualties. If it was "genocide", there would have been at least 10 x the # of civilian deaths.

 

[mandrill]

 

[Frankfooter]

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There used to be a bunch of Islamaphobes on the board who would repeatedly post incredibly similar cartoons, where the only difference was calling all Muslims 'terrorists' instead of just Palestinians.

They all got banned, didn't they?

 

[Frankfooter]

Like I said in the other thread, Frankie. Israel isn't deliberately hampering aid efforts. It's just difficult to feed 2M people and HAMAS steals the food. The militiamen in their underwear look pretty fat to me.

Hopefully, the fighting will be over in a couple of weeks and the food situation can improve in the meantime.

No one supports those comments by Netanyahu. OTOH, Israelis are very angry after 7 October. Hell, I'm very angry whenever I see news items about those hostages.

Israel bombs hospitals and civilian areas because there are HAMAS military installations there. Frankie, in a region of 2M people, the fact that there have been 10k - 20k civilian casualties in 2 months of fighting suggests that reasonable care is being taken to avoid civilian casualties. If it was "genocide", there would have been at least 10 x the # of civilian deaths.

Israel is not only deliberately depriving Palestinians of food, water, power and medical care they announced they were going to do so in the first week of Oct.

From that commie, antisemitic rag, the National Post. Either you are trolling or you are an idiot defending genocide because of your racism.
Israel vows complete siege of Gaza, cutting off food and fuel, as Hamas fires rockets

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1733789681832112506

 

[richaceg]

This is like curing head lice by burning the patient to death. It is genocide and shows that "never again" only refers to Jews.

I'm no military expert but I know genocide when I see it.

What did you see that's genocide? When you wage war, civilian casualties can't be avoided...30k to 40k deaths is bad but nowhere genocide level...

 

[richaceg]

Except you don't. Genocide is where you round up entire villages, machine gun them all including women and kids and bulldoze the bodies into an unmarked mass grave. The Gazans have been given safe zones and warning to move there and aid trucks bring food and water. Difficult and unpleasant times. But not genocide.

I kills Franky that Israel is standing strong and once again, winning the war, his fantasy of having Israel gone from the map is once again just a dream.....kind of a stupid dream but a dream nonetheless....

 

[mitchell76]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1733778872829698492

 

[mitchell76]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1733860187562217852

 

[Frankfooter]

What did you see that's genocide? When you wage war, civilian casualties can't be avoided...30k to 40k deaths is bad but nowhere genocide level...

Its already 2.5x the number killed in the Bosnian genocide.
Its not about the numbers, its about intent and execution and we have seen both of those.

 

[Frankfooter]

Hamas struck Israel first.

No, that's wrong.

On Oct 4 Israel shot Palestinian protesters in Gaza, targeting them in the ankles.
On Oct 4 Israel allowed and aided settlers storming the Al Aqsa.
Throughout 2023 there were new 'settlements' announced and taken from Palestinian land.
Jan-Oct there were 233 settler terrorist attacks and 200 Palestinians were killed.

Those were the reasons Hamas gave for their attack on Oct 7 and those are the same reasons that Palestinians think Hamas used to justify the attack.

You forget that Hamas and Gaza were living under a 17 year blockade and have suffered 5 attacks on them, the latest in 2021 happened after the IDF aided settlers storming the Al Aqsa.

Which is why if you want peace you need to end the occupation and apartheid.
You can't kill or genocide your way to peace.

 

[mandrill]

No, that's wrong.

On Oct 4 Israel shot Palestinian protesters in Gaza, targeting them in the ankles.
On Oct 4 Israel allowed and aided settlers storming the Al Aqsa.
Throughout 2023 there were new 'settlements' announced and taken from Palestinian land.
Jan-Oct there were 233 settler terrorist attacks and 200 Palestinians were killed.

Those were the reasons Hamas gave for their attack on Oct 7 and those are the same reasons that Palestinians think Hamas used to justify the attack.

You forget that Hamas and Gaza were living under a 17 year blockade and have suffered 5 attacks on them, the latest in 2021 happened after the IDF aided settlers storming the Al Aqsa.

Which is why if you want peace you need to end the occupation and apartheid.
You can't kill or genocide your way to peace.

Not appropriate reasons for gang rapes, murders and kidnappings, Frankie. 7 October is the watershed and changed everything.

 

[mitchell76]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1733680962184126557

 

[Frankfooter]

Not appropriate reasons for gang rapes, murders and kidnappings, Frankie. 7 October is the watershed and changed everything.

There were no gang rapes, mandrill.
Israel continues to hold way more hostages than Hamas ever has, and Israel refuses to say how many of the deaths on Oct 7 were civilian, militant and how many were the result of what eye witnesses say were IDF attacks with apaches and tanks.

Oct 7 changed nothing, it was yet one more day of violence in a 75 year long occupation.
What has changed everything is Israeli genocide.
That will be the end of zionism.

Reenact UN 3379

 

[mandrill]

No, that's wrong.

On Oct 4 Israel shot Palestinian protesters in Gaza, targeting them in the ankles.
On Oct 4 Israel allowed and aided settlers storming the Al Aqsa.
Throughout 2023 there were new 'settlements' announced and taken from Palestinian land.
Jan-Oct there were 233 settler terrorist attacks and 200 Palestinians were killed.

Those were the reasons Hamas gave for their attack on Oct 7 and those are the same reasons that Palestinians think Hamas used to justify the attack.

You forget that Hamas and Gaza were living under a 17 year blockade and have suffered 5 attacks on them, the latest in 2021 happened after the IDF aided settlers storming the Al Aqsa.

Which is why if you want peace you need to end the occupation and apartheid.
You can't kill or genocide your way to peace.

So here's The Guardian article on 4 October. Let's quote it.

Gaza Strip protesters received bullet wounds to ankles, medics report

Influx of injuries may suggest deliberate targeting by Israel’s army, which human rights groups say is unlawful

www.theguardian.com

Medics in the Gaza Strip have reported treating an influx of protesters who appear to have been deliberately targeted in the ankle by Israeli forces in recent unrest at the volatile boundary of the blockaded Palestinian enclave.At least one person has been killed and dozens more wounded since demonstrations by groups of young men, some of them throwing stones and molotov cocktails, began in mid-September.


The protests were ostensibly organised in response to an uptick in visits by Jewish groups to Jerusalem’s sensitive al-Aqsa compound, ongoing Israel Defence Forces (IDF) raids targeting armed Palestinian cells in the occupied West Bank, and the economic misery caused by the Israeli-Egyptian siege of Gaza, now in its 16th year.


An uneasy calm has returned to the strip, and border crossings for workers to enter Israel reopened on 29 September after mediation efforts by the UN, Egypt and Qatar. Hazem Qasem, a spokesperson for Hamas, the Islamist militant group that has controlled the area since 2007, told the Guardian: “the people of Gaza want to live in peace and dignity. Further unrest is possible if our conditions are not met”.

Seven people admitted to al-Awda hospital in the northern town of Beit Lahia are still receiving treatments for bullet wounds to the ankle, a joint that Dr Jean Pierre, a medical activity manager in Gaza for Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF), said was extremely difficult to treat.

“It’s much harder to treat than any other part of the leg, because it is a joint that bears weight,” he said. “It involves a complicated graft called ‘free flap’ surgery, and it doesn’t always mean the patient will be able to walk. If it fails, amputation is often necessary.

“Only two doctors in Gaza can do it, and they do not have the microscopic equipment necessary to do intricate vascular repairs.”

Human rights groups say that such targeting procedures are unlawful as they allow the use of potentially lethal force with no immediate threat to soldiers’ lives.

In a statement, the IDF said: “Over the past few weeks, the Hamas terror organisation has organised violent riots along the border fence, for purposes of harming Israeli security forces … It should be noted that the IDF resorts to live fire only after exhausting all available options, and only as necessary to handle imminent threat.”

The latest violence echoes the “Great March of Return” protests that began in 2018 and lasted nearly two years, in which 227 Palestinians were killed during weekly demonstrations at the separation fences. The protests were triggered by Donald Trump’s decision to recognise the disputed city of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

About 60% of the thousands of injured were hit in the legs by sniper fire, according to the local health ministry – admissions that overwhelmed an already crumbling medical sector.

Since then, amputees using crutches have become a common sight on the enclave’s streets. In response, MSF has funded a new prosthetics clinic for the strip’s residents, and a limb reconstruction centre at al-Awda hospital.

“It is sad to say we have become experts in this work,” said Rami Abu Jasser, one of the centre’s supervisors. “We have much better facilities and equipment now than we did in 2018 and we can do most orthopaedic and plastic procedures. But we still cannot treat more than a handful of people a day.”

One of the injured protesters, who gave his name as Khalid, had been shot through both ankles with one bullet. He was healing well, doctors said, but it would not be clear for months whether he would be able to walk again.

“I was injured five times in the March of Return,” the 26-year-old said, pulling up his shorts to reveal scars around his knees. “In my thigh, in my hips, and I have shrapnel in my head.”

Khalid was one of several hundred young men who took part in the recent clashes at the separation fence, at the behest of a newly formed group called “Rebel Youth”. Many people in Gaza, however, said that they believed Hamas was ultimately responsible for stoking the violence along the periphery. The latest round of protests do not seem to have significant public support.

Since Hamas seized control of the 42km x 12km strip, Israel has fought four wars and several smaller conflagrations against the area’s rulers and its other active factions. These have proved devastating for the area’s 2.3 million inhabitants. Gaza’s residents also have next to no freedom of movement, and healthcare, electricity, sanitation and other crucial infrastructure have all but collapsed since Israel imposed the blockade.

After the last major war in 2021, Israel has gradually increased permits for people from Gaza for agricultural and construction work, an incentive for Hamas to keep quiet in order to alleviate the area’s dire poverty and accompanying unrest. Gaza’s unemployment rate has hovered at about 50% for years and more than half of the population lives below the poverty line.

About 18,500 men are eligible to work in Israel, bringing about £2m into Gaza a day; many families and businesses keenly felt the 12-day border closure imposed after the protests began. Israel is now caught between a desire to show Hamas that there are financial consequences for fuelling the current wave of unrest in the West Bank and the need to maintain calm on the Gaza front.

Hamas last month announced that it would be cutting salaries of 50,000 civil servants, blaming a redirection of promised aid from Qatar. Talks with Doha on funding are ongoing.

A recent International Monetary Fund report said that for any stable long-term economic recovery in Gaza, “lifting of the blockade and easing of the Israeli-imposed restrictions are essential”.

If demonstrators are going to rush the fence, then security forces are going to shoot them. It's the same as with Ashley Babbit in the Capitol riot.

The soldiers aimed low to avoid lethal injury. Going on a mass murder / rape / kidnapping spree where over 1,000 Israelis are killed is not an appropriate reaction and massive Israeli retaliation is inevitable.

 

[mandrill]

There were no gang rapes, mandrill.
Israel continues to hold way more hostages than Hamas ever has, and Israel refuses to say how many of the deaths on Oct 7 were civilian, militant and how many were the result of what eye witnesses say were IDF attacks with apaches and tanks.

Oct 7 changed nothing, it was yet one more day of violence in a 75 year long occupation.
What has changed everything is Israeli genocide.
That will be the end of zionism.

Reenact UN 3379

Frankie, Frankie, Frankie. It's like I'm talking to a wilful child.

 

[mitchell76]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1733722269178900911