Israel at war

mandrill

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Are you going to start calling them cockroaches soon?
Nope. I call them rapists, kidnappers and murderers. Just the same as I call white motherfuckers who do the same shit.

Unlike you, I'm not a racist, Frankie. You hate white people. I don't hate anyone.
 

Klatuu

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If that's the case, Frankie. Why aren't the news media showing mass deaths?

And no, Frankie. They're debating flooding the tunnels with salt water, as opposed to blowing them in.
oh Mandy…..you must be living in a cave. Journalists are prime targets for Israel. I believe about 70 have been murdered by Israel in Gaza.
 

basketcase

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Khan is a US/UK choice but even he is calling out Israel as well.
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Ah, the excuses. Weren't you claiming that the ICC is the only ones you'll listen to? Now that they condemn Hamas you suddenly don't want to listen to what they say (kjust like you ignore what Palestinians say).

You said Hamas is acting in self defence on the 7th. The ICC says:
In both Kibbutz Beeri and Kibbutz Kfar Azza, as well as at the site of the Nova Music Festival in Re’im, I witnessed scenes of calculated cruelty. The attacks against innocent Israeli civilians on 7 October represent some of the most serious international crimes that shock the conscience of humanity, crimes which the ICC was established to address.

You said that Hamas hostage taking as justified and a good way to negotiate the release of convicted criminals. The ICC says:

I called for the immediate and unconditional release of all hostages taken by Hamas and other terror organisations. There can be no justification for the holding of any hostages, and in particular the egregious breach of fundamental principles of humanity through the taking and continued holding of children. Hostages cannot be treated as human shields or bargaining chips.


You say Israel is committing terrorism by attacking Hamas. The ICC says:

As I have stated previously, Israel has trained lawyers who advise commanders and a robust system intended to ensure compliance with international humanitarian law. Credible allegations of crimes during the current conflict should be the subject of timely, independent examination and investigation.


And yes, he condemns the violent extremists amongst the Settlers. I've been calling them terrorists, just like I've been calling Palestinians who attack Jewish civilians in the West Bank terrorists. You on the other hand say Palestinians who attack civilians are "defending" themselves while calling all Jews in the West Bank terrorists and legitimate targets.

But I'm sure you can find some random tweet to pretend the ICC is really part of the zionist plot.
 
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Have you noticed that with all this support for Palestine from around the world, not one single country has lifted a finger on their behalf. They have no conviction to do anything concrete.

TALK IS CHEAP.
Not true. Iran has through Hezbollah and the Houthis.
 

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They're actually working fast through Gaza. Hamas fighters are not putting up too much resistance, but we know they specialize mostly in women and children.

US believes Israel could wrap up major ops in southern Gaza by January

The US believes Israel could wrap up large-scale military operations in the southern Gaza Strip by January, and then shift to more targeted attacks on specific Hamas terrorists and leaders, CNN reports.

Citing multiple senior administration officials, the cable news network says the White House is concerned how the IDF’s offensive will play out in the coming weeks and has warned Israel to limit damage and civilian casualties. But a senior official quoted in the report says they aren’t comfortable using the word “receptive” to describe Israel’s response to the US advice.

A senior administration official also says Israel appears unlikely to achieve its objective of preventing Hamas from being able to carry out another attack like October 7 by the end of the year, and that Israeli forces will continue to pursue that goal as part of a “longer-term campaign” when the fighting evolves to a new phase.

“We are in a high-intensity operation in the coming weeks, then probably moving to a low-intensity mode,” an Israeli official tells CNN, confirming the expected transition.

 

Frankfooter

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Nope. I call them rapists, kidnappers and murderers. Just the same as I call white motherfuckers who do the same shit.

Unlike you, I'm not a racist, Frankie. You hate white people. I don't hate anyone.
The difference is you don't back killing all white people because of a few criminals.
But here you're ok with all Palestinians in Gaza getting killed to get a few rapists.

You support targeting civilians, genocide, killing kids, bombing babies and apartheid now.
It's a war, Frankie. Not a game. Israel's got to do what it must.
 

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They're actually working fast through Gaza. Hamas fighters are not putting up too much resistance, but we know they specialize mostly in women and children.

US believes Israel could wrap up major ops in southern Gaza by January

Biden works to create plausible deniability as he backs Israel’s assault on Gaza
Israel’s assault on Gaza has recommenced and the United States has remained steadfast in its backing. But there are signs the Biden administration is becoming increasingly uncomfortable.
 
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They're actually working fast through Gaza. Hamas fighters are not putting up too much resistance, but we know they specialize mostly in women and children.

US believes Israel could wrap up major ops in southern Gaza by January
They're fast with so many reservists working together. The area is small too, only slightly bigger than the size of Mississauga.

It took them two months to clear Gaza City, now it's just Khan Yunis and Rafah left. Pretty sure they'll release more hostages to stall for a few more days but January sounds about right.

I bet they'll do the following:

1. Bomb them to the stone age.

2. Pump sea water into all tunnels.

3. Carve out even bigger buffer zone,

4. Build more walls, barriers, outposts.

5. More blockade.
 
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From the New York Times today:

The proper move against radicals on both sides, imho.

"U.S. to Deny Visas to Violent Israeli Settlers and Some West Bank Palestinians
As acts of violence spike in the Israeli-occupied West Bank, American officials say they will take action against people “believed to have been involved in undermining peace.”




Michael Crowley
By Michael Crowley
Reporting from Washington
  • Dec. 5, 2023Updated 11:40 p.m. ET

The Biden administration is imposing visa bans on dozens of Israeli settlers who have committed acts of violence in the West Bank, taking action against what U.S. officials call a potential trigger for wider violence as Israel wages war in Gaza.

In a statement on Tuesday, Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken announced a new policy “targeting individuals believed to have been involved in undermining peace, security or stability in the West Bank, including through committing acts of violence or taking other actions that unduly restrict civilians’ access to essential services and basic necessities.”

U.S. officials are most concerned about a recent surge in attacks by Israeli settlers against Palestinians, but the new policy will also deny entry to Palestinians who have committed violent acts against Israelis. Under State Department privacy rules, the names of the people who will be designated in the coming days will not be made public.

The restrictions may also be extended to their immediate family members, Mr. Blinken said.

The move comes as the United States tries to revive efforts to achieve a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict after the current Gaza conflict is over, in the hopes of breaking the cycle of violence between the two sides. Any two-state solution would require Israel’s government to rein in right-wing West Bank settlers, who oppose the creation of a Palestinian state.

Extremist settler violence has spiked recently, and Palestinians and many analysts say that Israel’s government has allowed the often heavily armed settlers to operate with impunity. Attacks on Palestinians, meant to drive them from their homes, had reached their highest recorded levels even before the Oct. 7 Hamas attacks — and have only accelerated since then.

“Instability in the West Bank both harms the Israeli and Palestinian people and threatens Israel’s national security interests,” Mr. Blinken said in his statement.

President Biden and Mr. Blinken have pressed Israeli officials to take stronger action against West Bank settlers, with Mr. Blinken warning of the upcoming measures during his visit to Israel last week.
In a daily press briefing, the State Department spokesman, Matthew Miller, said the first visa bans would be enacted on Tuesday. Designated Israeli citizens who currently have visas to enter the United States will be notified that their visas have been revoked, he said. Any other settlers without current visas will see their applications to obtain one rejected.

But the new action would have no effect on West Bank settlers who are dual Israeli-American citizens and thus do not require visas to enter the United States.
In late October, Mr. Biden said that settler attacks on Palestinians were like “pouring gasoline on the fire.”

The settlers are “attacking Palestinians in places that they’re entitled to be,” Mr. Biden said, calling for “accountability.”

Mr. Miller told reporters that the United States remained unsatisfied and had not seen “a sufficient level of action by the government of Israel that we think hold people properly accountable.”
Israeli officials have taken some steps, he said, including putting offenders in administrative detention. But the United States believes that more settlers should be criminally prosecuted.

Mr. Miller noted that the new action aims to punish not only acts of violence against people but also those against property, as well as “undue restrictions on civilians’ access to essential services and basic necessities.”

The Biden administration announced in September that it would begin allowing Israelis to enter the United States without a visa under what is known as a visa waiver program. But Israelis must still apply to enter the country under a streamlined program known as the Electronic System for Travel Authorization. Mr. Miller said blacklisted Israelis would find those applications rejected as well as any visa applications they might submit."



 
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From the New York Times today:

The proper move against radicals on both sides, imho.

"U.S. to Deny Visas to Violent Israeli Settlers and Some West Bank Palestinians
As acts of violence spike in the Israeli-occupied West Bank, American officials say they will take action against people “believed to have been involved in undermining peace.”
I guess Netanyahu won't be allowed to visit anymore.
bummer

 
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