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Israel at war

mandrill

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The trouble is that verifiable documentation is always provided by Max, Mandy
It's actually not. He is well known for distorting sources.

When another - reputable - commentator agrees with his analysis, I will listen to that. Blumenthal is notorious horseshit and is widely regarded as such.
 

mandrill

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I love it when you use such blatantly colonial and racist language to try to prove your moral superiority.

Well, what would YOU call armed men who rape helpless women and kidnap old people and children?

No one is saying Gazans as a whole are savages. Just the rapists and kidnappers.

Frankie, most of the people that you're arguing in this thread with are progressive and stand against right of centre politicians. We just don't like rape-murderers and you do. Simple as.

It's not "colonialism" or "racism". It's just disliking felons and killers.
 
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going very well, thank you for asking
how is holding of the hostages and getting rid of Jews going?
Of course you think the genocide is going very well.

Well, nobody is trying to get rid of Jews.
But Israel is still winning the hostage game, they have thousands more and torture and rape them more.


 

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Only Biden and Trudeau still support Israel.
Both of those just killed their reelection chances.
Even Israelis don't support Netanyahu.

Israel is now the state of genocide.

Nah. The Germans and Brits also support Israel. Starmer just stripped his front bench of any pro Palestinian shadow cabinet Labour MP's and demoted them as party discipline.
 

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Of course you think the genocide is going very well.

Well, nobody is trying to get rid of Jews.
But Israel is still winning the hostage game, they have thousands more and torture and rape them more.


Unlike HAMAS which is not genocidal and never rapes and tortures? Right?
 

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Well, what would YOU call armed men who rape helpless women and kidnap old people and children?

No one is saying Gazans as a whole are savages. Just the rapists and kidnappers.

Frankie, most of the people that you're arguing in this thread with are progressive and stand against right of centre politicians. We just don't like rape-murderers and you do. Simple as.

It's not "colonialism" or "racism". It's just disliking felons and killers.
Israel has presented 'stories', but no evidence of rape.
They use propaganda the way trump does, the gish gallop attack, just keep making accusations and then hope that by the time the investigations are done everyone has moved on.

Nobody is backing rape, most sane people don't take the word of the IDF any more seriously than they do Hamas.
But the zionists do for some reason.

Most progressive people I know just don't back genocide and try to justify with allegations of rape by a few people.
As someone who claims to be a lawyer, do you really think that would stand as justification for genocide in trial?

The Israeli paper Haaretz found the IDF bullshitted about oct 7, but it took two months to investigate.


Same with the rape charges, there is no evidence and likely never will be any.

 

mandrill

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Israel has presented 'stories', but no evidence of rape.
They use propaganda the way trump does, the gish gallop attack, just keep making accusations and then hope that by the time the investigations are done everyone has moved on.

Nobody is backing rape, most sane people don't take the word of the IDF any more seriously than they do Hamas.
But the zionists do for some reason.

Most progressive people I know just don't back genocide and try to justify with allegations of rape by a few people.
As someone who claims to be a lawyer, do you really think that would stand as justification for genocide in trial?

The Israeli paper Haaretz found the IDF bullshitted about oct 7, but it took two months to investigate.


Same with the rape charges, there is no evidence and likely never will be any.

Frankie, they've presented a fucking TON of evidence. You just refuse to accept it because it interferes with your delusional, imaginary world where brave, honourable brown people fight for freedom against cruel, oppressive whites.

You and the other members of the "Activists Trans Inclusionary Socialist Direct Action Committee for the Liberation of Indigenous Non White Persons from White Colonialism and the Freedom of Palestine from Zionist Colonialist Racism" can't deal with reality.
 
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Israel has presented 'stories', but no evidence of rape.
They use propaganda the way trump does, the gish gallop attack, just keep making accusations and then hope that by the time the investigations are done everyone has moved on.

Nobody is backing rape, most sane people don't take the word of the IDF any more seriously than they do Hamas.
But the zionists do for some reason.

Most progressive people I know just don't back genocide and try to justify with allegations of rape by a few people.
As someone who claims to be a lawyer, do you really think that would stand as justification for genocide in trial?

The Israeli paper Haaretz found the IDF bullshitted about oct 7, but it took two months to investigate.


Same with the rape charges, there is no evidence and likely never will be any.

These are all extreme Palestinian propaganda accounts, Frankie. They're about as credible on the topic as hairs on my asshole.
 

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So "Bring the hostages home!" is a "Genocide Chant" now? Frankie? Are you well?
That's a bit like arguing that Mussolini's mobs yelled 'but the trains are on time'.
If you want to bring the hostages home you stop firing and negotiate, again, with Hamas.
Israel already proved that worked and bombing the shit out of them only kills more hostages.

Do you even think things through anymore, mandrill?

The US, confirming that Israel was running Gaza like a concentration camp.

This was about the same time they were counting calories for every person in Gaza and keeping them as close to starvation levels as they could get away with.

Yet for some reason you don't think Israel has ever done anything wrong and its all Hamas' fault.

 
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These are all extreme Palestinian propaganda accounts, Frankie. They're about as credible on the topic as hairs on my asshole.
The hairs on your ass are probably the only thing honest left on you, mandrill.
Team zionists have attacked Amnesty, HRW, B'tselem, Al Jazeera, Haaretz, CBC, the UN, ICRC and pretty much every single legit source of news or human rights reports.

You just called Haaretz 'extreme Palestinian propaganda', now you're doing the same thing.
Have you really joined the zionists in only accepting IDF statements as fact?





 

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Nah. The Germans and Brits also support Israel. Starmer just stripped his front bench of any pro Palestinian shadow cabinet Labour MP's and demoted them as party discipline.
Only the US has vetoed UN SC resolutions against Israel, that has been massive for them.
Otherwise, there are only Canada and the US back Israeli war crimes like settlements.
Biden will lose to trump over this and Trudeau won't be reelected.

Support genocide through zionism is now politically toxic.

 
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