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Frankfooter

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wrong
we are still emerging from the little ice age
rate of change from proxy data ???
OK
the changes in the younger drayas was much greater than today

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it is not undeniable ,
mans emission are a tiny fraction of the co2 exchange via plants, the atmosphere and oceans

if oceans warm they out gas cO2



it is a 0.01% change
absorption is a physical effect
physicals effects do not move the neddle due to o.o1% change

another amongst many flaws is the absorption is saturated at the all important 666 wave number
as pointed out you will not even notice the impact of double from 400 ppm to 800 ppm



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glad you brought up satellites

satellite data , validated by weather balloon, show how brutality inaccurate climate models have been

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btw the inaccurate models are the basis for all the failed doom and gloom



they also demonstrated the saturation effect
absorption has a logarithmic relationship with concentration
its call the beer-lambert law

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this means each incremental addition has a ever diminishing effect relative to the addition before it
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the absorption at the all important 666 wave number was saturated billions of years ago
and we have had mutiple ice ages since

co2 is not the control knob for climate



the are far more questions than answers

learn some science




you opened the geological kimono

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the have been multiple time when co2 was much higher and the planet was in an ice age

the laws of physics do not change



you mean you will continue to swallow the propaganda that your feed and you are to lazy to learn enough to question the propaganda

there is a reason for the 50 years of failed catastrophic climate predictions. .... the hypothesis is flawed






again . if you are going to give Justine Trudeau a pass for being a moron a for his billions of wasted taxpayer money you can not attack Pierre Poilievre for any bitcoin tom foolery

justin Trudeau is a corrupt moron at any bitcoin price level
why you want him to continue making a god awful mess is perplexing'
Oh lordy, the copy and paste guy is back!

So many basic errors:
1) the rate of change we are experiencing is faster than anything other than an asteroid hitting the planet's effect
2) you did a bait and switch chart, using troposphere temperatures when we are talking about surface temperatures. And its old.
3) the saturation argument is really bad science
4) the models have been amazingly accurate while every single denier you post has failed miserably.

 

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Lets get the real facts with The Liberal Government's 8 years in office:
The government’s economic plan is building a strong economy that works for everyone, with great jobs that Canadians can count on. And this plan is working.
Over a million more Canadians are employed today compared to before the pandemic. Inflation is coming down, wage increases are outpacing inflation, and private sector economists now expect Canada to avoid the recession that many had predicted.
In the face of a rapid global increase in interest rates, many Canadians are feeling the squeeze, particularly when it comes to affording a home to rent or own. In response, the 2023 Fall Economic Statement is focused on today’s two key challenges.
First, the government is continuing to support Canadians at a time when some prices are still too high and mortgage renewals are looming. With new, targeted measures to help stabilize prices, make life more affordable, and protect Canadians with mortgages, the government is taking concrete action to support Canadians. This includes ensuring Canadians have access to the tailored mortgage relief they need at a time of higher interest rates. To do so, the 2023 Fall Economic Statement announces the new Canadian Mortgage Charter, which details the relief that Canadians can expect from their banks if they are in financial difficulty.
Second, the government is accelerating its work to build more homes, faster, and make housing more affordable. Building on the significant action the government has already taken, the 2023 Fall Economic Statement introduces billions of dollars in new financing to build more homes, faster, takes steps to crack down on short-term rentals so that homes can be used for Canadians to live in, and will help to increase the number of construction workers across the country. Today continues the federal government’s work leading a national effort to make housing more affordable across Canada.
The government’s economic plan is responsible, and it sees Canada maintain both the lowest deficit- and net debt-to-GDP ratios in the G7. The government is taking further action in the 2023 Fall Economic Statement to ensure Canada’s finances remain sustainable—and that we can continue to responsibly invest in Canadians, strengthen the middle class, and build a stronger economy that works for everyone.
As a foundational part of the government’s work to invest in Canada’s economic future and create more good-paying jobs, the government is also delivering its new major investment tax credits on a priority basis, with legislative implementation advancing in the days to come and concluding in 2024.

Canada’s economic plan is working:
  • Canada’s unemployment rate, for the last 21 months, has been lower than at any time under the previous government. Over a million more Canadians are employed today compared to before the pandemic.
  • Wages have outpaced inflation for the past nine months.
  • The International Monetary Fund projects Canada to see the strongest economic growth in the G7 next year.
  • In the first half of this year, Canada received the third-most foreign direct investment of any country in the world—and the highest per capita in the G7.
You literally just copied and pasted this from Canada.ca

What else do you expect them to say?
 

JohnLarue

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You literally just copied and pasted this from Canada.ca

What else do you expect them to say?

i do not know about you, but i do not expect my government to lie to me
 

JohnLarue

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You literally just copied and pasted this from Canada.ca

like i said , he is too lazy to learn enough to question the propaganda
what is the value of a copy & paste opinion ?
zero

a climate sheeple

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Once again the most recent studies on Climate Change based on the Ice Core and Modern Instrumental Data is:

The current warming trend is different because it is clearly the result of human activities since the mid-1800s, and is proceeding at a rate not seen over many recent millennia.1 It is undeniable that human activities have produced the atmospheric gases that have trapped more of the Sun’s energy in the Earth system. This extra energy has warmed the atmosphere, ocean, and land, and widespread and rapid changes in the atmosphere, ocean, cryosphere, and biosphere have occurred.

Do scientists agree on climate change?
Earth-orbiting satellites and new technologies have helped scientists see the big picture, collecting many different types of information about our planet and its climate all over the world. These data, collected over many years, reveal the signs and patterns of a changing climate.

Scientists demonstrated the heat-trapping nature of carbon dioxide and other gases in the mid-19th century.2 Many of the science instruments NASA uses to study our climate focus on how these gases affect the movement of infrared radiation through the atmosphere. From the measured impacts of increases in these gases, there is no question that increased greenhouse gas levels warm Earth in response.


Ice cores drawn from Greenland, Antarctica, and tropical mountain glaciers show that Earth’s climate responds to changes in greenhouse gas levels. Ancient evidence can also be found in tree rings, ocean sediments, coral reefs, and layers of sedimentary rocks. This ancient, or paleoclimate, evidence reveals that current warming is occurring roughly 10 times faster than the average rate of warming after an ice age. Carbon dioxide from human activities is increasing about 250 times faster than it did from natural sources after the last Ice Age.3






So, I will stick to the real Science and you can suck up to the Climate Change Deniers.

If we had Poilievre as PM since the last Election and his Cryptocurrency guidelines were followed:



He was dumb to mention this Currency to those with zero knowledge of the fluctuations in the market. Canadians are being scammed out of record-breaking dollar amounts via cryptocurrency investment fraud. According to the Canadian Anti-Fraud Centre, Canadians reported losses of $308.6M to investment fraud in 2022 compared to $164M in 2021. Of those reports, many involved Canadians investing in cryptocurrency after seeing a deceptive ad. Investment fraud, including cryptocurrency fraud, takes many forms, but they all have one thing in common – the big lie that you can make tons of fast cash!
PeePee the SBF of Canada.
 

bver_hunter

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You literally just copied and pasted this from Canada.ca

What else do you expect them to say?
Are you disputing anything in those articles posted by the Government. They have to get their facts right before posting it. Of course the right wingers hate the actual facts as not even Pee Pee disputes it!!
 

bver_hunter

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The Trudeau administration has been lying to us since 2015.
The previous harper regime took a healthy surplus from The Chretien / Martin Liberal Governments and created what was a real recession. The jobless rates were up and he even boasted about creating around 1.1 million new jobs. We know how he was the biggest liar who mislead The Canadian people about his accomplishments:

It’s getting harder for Harper to brag about his record on jobs
A look at how sluggish the Canadian jobs market is becoming

 
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DesRicardo

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Are you disputing anything in those articles posted by the Government. They have to get their facts right before posting it. Of course the right wingers hate the actual facts as not even Pee Pee disputes it!!
Yes. I dispute that they know what they are doing, That they will put Canada in a better position and That they will improve anything they discussed within 2 years.
 

DesRicardo

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The previous harper regime took a healthy surplus from The Chretien / Martin Liberal Governments and created what was a real recession. The jobless rates were up and he even boasted about creating around 1.1 million new jobs. We know how he was the biggest liar who mislead The Canadian people about his accomplishments:

It’s getting harder for Harper to brag about his record on jobs
A look at how sluggish the Canadian jobs market is becoming

OK and you voted him out of office.

What will you do with the dipshit we have in office now? He's been worse.
 

Not getting younger

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Are you disputing anything in those articles posted by the Government. They have to get their facts right before posting it. Of course the right wingers hate the actual facts as not even Pee Pee disputes it!!
I guess you missed a dozen or more articles, from sched A banks, from economists, and others disputing some of it?

And you live in a world where only Cons and Republicans spin things. Your side, nah their virtuous, would never.
 
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The previous harper regime took a healthy surplus from The Chretien / Martin Liberal Governments and created what was a real recession. The jobless rates were up and he even boasted about creating around 1.1 million new jobs. We know how he was the biggest liar who mislead The Canadian people about his accomplishments:

It’s getting harder for Harper to brag about his record on jobs
A look at how sluggish the Canadian jobs market is becoming

Lmao.
You will find excuse for everything Liberals do or have to contend with. But turn blind eyes to 2008 it’s deep, wide ranging, long lasting affects.

Damn good thing both Harper and JT inherited good fiscal positions and not mountains of debt. Sunny days last forever.

Here’s a historical trend line for you to ignore too. Canadas debt to gdp from 1995 to 2021. Don’t let facts gets in your ways


More facts you’re ignoring.
The present Liberals have no intention of balancing a budget until 2029…….read their update….as far as the economy and gdp goes. Read some news, read up on Boomers and what they will be doing by 2029….beside not working and spending, nor paying as much in taxes….hammering healthcare…a double whammy.

More facts you’re ignoring.
Debt and mortgages rolling, by the millions, and people paying higher rates and land taxes (MPAC alone never municipal rate increases) by then…Even if the bubble doesn’t burst, that like Boomers retiring en masse, means less $$$ to spend..grow the economy…see also this that and the other…

More facts you’re ignoring.
They are trying to kill fossils. And it’s not just them, Just a huge component of our economy…..See also other areas of Canada and like the rust belt in the US. Ignored since 2008 and voters turning blind eyes to them.. See also Capital Bleed facts. See also house price trends in the GTA

more facts you’re ignoring.
He only promised in 2015/16 to accomplish that ( balancing budgets) by 2018. You know, before reality and shit happens slapped him, you and Canadians in the face? Nope, “I’m Liberal, I’m back, it’s sunny days again, let the good times begin”

Like he promised 2016 would be the last election under FPTP. Like he promised a more transparent govt. Have you watched them in the house? They’ve never answered a single thing. and more……..

Nah, only the Cons pool wool over voters heads. And only the right are “blind and dumb.”
 
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Frankfooter

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Lmao.
You will find excuse for everything Liberals do or have to contend with. But turn blind eyes to 2008 it’s deep, wide ranging, long lasting affects.

Damn good thing both Harper and JT inherited good fiscal positions and not mountains of debt. Sunny days last forever.
Yes, you will slam the liberals and declare only the cons are good at economics then present Dean Drummond and Paul Martin liberals as the epitome of the best Canadian government on the economy.
 
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Yes, you will slam the liberals and declare only the cons are good at economics then present Dean Drummond and Paul Martin liberals as the epitome of the best Canadian government on the economy.
The Chretien/Martin Liberals were the last true Liberals in this country. You could say Stephane Dion was that too but unfortunately no one would take him seriously as he appeared to be a whimp.
 

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Yes, you will slam the liberals and declare only the cons are good at economics then present Dean Drummond and Paul Martin liberals as the epitome of the best Canadian government on the economy.
You don’t know a lot, aren’t very aware so what makes you think your positions have much to stand on…. Btw his name is Don Drummond.

I doubt you even looked at the debt to gdp trend line. Nor, took a few seconds to consider a couple things

Look how high it was in 1995.
Look where it is today.
Look at the downward trend 1995-2006 the low point. And thus “employed austerity”

And who was in power, and got spending under control and thus a mean, has no clue hawk that cuts and cuts and cuts according to you guys.

Chretian/Martin
so Frank, if those Liberals were smart enough to know…that is was out of control…What’s that say about JT and you?
 
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Frankfooter

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You don’t know a lot, aren’t very aware so what makes you think your positions have much to stand on…. Btw his name is Don Drummond.

I doubt you even looked at the debt to gdp trend line. Nor, took a few seconds to consider a couple things

Look how high it was in 1995.
Look where it is today.
Look at the downward trend 1995-2006 the low point. And thus “employed austerity”

And who was in power, and got spending under control and thus a mean, has no clue hawk that cuts and cuts and cuts according to you guys.

Chretian/Martin
so Frank, if those Liberals were smart enough to know…that is was out of control…What’s that say about JT and you?
My bad, Don Drummond.
The liberal economist you think is a model for the conservatives.
 

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Yes. I dispute that they know what they are doing, That they will put Canada in a better position and That they will improve anything they discussed within 2 years.
If Canada has one of the best of the Debt to GDP ratio from all the G7 Nations, then I am satisfied with it in these dire global economic times.
Let's be realistic about that fact!!
 

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OK and you voted him out of office.

What will you do with the dipshit we have in office now? He's been worse.
What will we then end up with a worse individual of a nutcase who is calling for "cryptocurrency", firing the Bank Of Canada head and not really spelling out how he will tackle the Climate Change crisis, but just walk in tandem with extremists in the FreeDumb Convoy?
 
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