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“Why I STOPPED Being A Zionist”

Frankfooter

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People forget that not all Israelis are zionists just as not all North American Jews are zionists.
More and more are turning away from zionism after this latest round.

Netanyahu only has 4% of Israel trusting him, with 80% saying he should resign.
His government is right wing bordering on fascist and has made zionism into a dirty word again.
 

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People forget that not all Israelis are zionists just as not all North American Jews are zionists.
More and more are turning away from zionism after this latest round.

Netanyahu only has 4% of Israel trusting him, with 80% saying he should resign.
His government is right wing bordering on fascist and has made zionism into a dirty word again.
Oddly enough, after watching that Jimmy Dore video above, the next one that came up was from this female scholar and said exactly what you just said.
 

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Without Zionists, Jewish people wouldn't have a state, and nobody will protect them from another holocaust like Oct 7th. Lady is a traitor.

If Israel dropped more bombs than US did in Afghanistan, and only 10000+ Palestinians died, it means they were focusing on terrorist targets rather than civilians, considering the density of population there...75% of them support Hamas' massacre anyway, which makes them terrorist sympathizers.
 
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Without Zionists, Jewish people wouldn't have a state, and nobody will protect these them from another holocaust like Oct 7th. Lady is a traitor.

If Israel dropped more bombs than US did in Afghanistan, and only 10000+ Palestinians died, it means they were focusing on terrorist targets rather than civilians, considering the density of population there...75% of them support Hamas' massacre anyway, which makes them terrorist sympathizers.
C'mon! Tell us how you really feel...
 
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Without Zionists, Jewish people wouldn't have a state, and nobody will protect them from another holocaust like Oct 7th. Lady is a traitor.

If Israel dropped more bombs than US did in Afghanistan, and only 10000+ Palestinians died, it means they were focusing on terrorist targets rather than civilians, considering the density of population there...75% of them support Hamas' massacre anyway, which makes them terrorist sympathizers.
Lady is a traitor? Wow lol. Well you'll be livid to hear there a lot more "traitors" with regular Jewish people and thousands of Rabbis as well.

I guess I'm a traitor to the religion my family raised, or indoctrinated me into. 😎
 

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Secular Jews are fed up with the violence and the ultra nationalists controlling the Knesset, they are emigrating from Israel. One of the more popular destinations is Rome. The attraction is to be part of the oldest Jewish diaspora on earth, the city gets a noticeable brain gain as well. The Great Synagogue of Rome went through restoration work about a decade ago. The Villa Miani is a popular wedding venue for all Romans not just Roman Jews.

 

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Without Zionists, Jewish people wouldn't have a state, and nobody will protect them from another holocaust like Oct 7th. Lady is a traitor.

If Israel dropped more bombs than US did in Afghanistan, and only 10000+ Palestinians died, it means they were focusing on terrorist targets rather than civilians, considering the density of population there...75% of them support Hamas' massacre anyway, which makes them terrorist sympathizers.
1:30 "traitor"
 
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K Douglas

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She's got beautiful eyes and a nice rack, but lots of insight.
I would say she's been a little bit brainwashed from the other side.
There are several factual inaccuracies in what she said. For example Israel doesn't control or steal Palestine water. The water issues faced in the West Bank and Gaza Strip are due to inept and/or corrupt water authorities. Its also highly doubtful that 10,000 Palestinian civilians have been killed. These numbers are always inflated as a propaganda tool.
At the end of the day if you believe in a Jewish majority state in the Holy Land you are considered a Zionist. Thus the vast majority of Israeli Jews are Zionists. They don't want to live in a country where Arabs Muslims/Christians are the majority. I agree with them so I guess I'm a Zionist as well.
 

Frankfooter

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I would say she's been a little bit brainwashed from the other side.
There are several factual inaccuracies in what she said. For example Israel doesn't control or steal Palestine water. The water issues faced in the West Bank and Gaza Strip are due to inept and/or corrupt water authorities. Its also highly doubtful that 10,000 Palestinian civilians have been killed. These numbers are always inflated as a propaganda tool.
At the end of the day if you believe in a Jewish majority state in the Holy Land you are considered a Zionist. Thus the vast majority of Israeli Jews are Zionists. They don't want to live in a country where Arabs Muslims/Christians are the majority. I agree with them so I guess I'm a Zionist as well.
I'd say you're a little bit brainwashed, kirk.


 
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Things like the Hamas attack and the anti-semitism that uses the conflict as an excuse are a big part of the reason why many Jews are zionists. They may not like Israel's government but they appreciate a place existing that they can flee to if needed
 

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Stop posting stupid whining by some random guy, I only admire leaders like Netanyahu who is a man of action.
You like psycopaths, cool, your choice. But there was a protest out Bibi's home, it wasn't just one guy.

Here's another reasonable person.
 

Frankfooter

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Things like the Hamas attack and the anti-semitism that uses the conflict as an excuse are a big part of the reason why many Jews are zionists. They may not like Israel's government but they appreciate a place existing that they can flee to if needed
That's like arguing that the only reason the KKK came to pass is because of how horrible......
You can't use your own racism and hatred to justify hatred on others.

What Israel has done to Gaza is the most evil we've seen done to a people this century.
Own it, this is what you desired.

 

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That's like arguing that the only reason the KKK came to pass is because of how horrible......
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Good example. The anti-Jewish violence that has existed in the region since 1920 is just like the KKK violence against blacks, anti-immigrant violence targeting people explicitly because they were a different ethnicity.
 

Frankfooter

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Good example. The anti-Jewish violence that has existed in the region since 1920 is just like the KKK violence against blacks, anti-immigrant violence targeting people explicitly because they were a different ethnicity.
And exactly like your zionism.

But as long as your on the side with all the guns its ok?
 

basketcase

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And exactly like your zionism.

But as long as your on the side with all the guns its ok?
So does this mean you admit the response pushed by Arab leaders since the 20's is simply just anti-immigrant racism based on the religion of the immigrants?
 
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