Cop who killed George Floyd stabbed in prison

[Valcazar]

I already did. An MD said Floyd had enough fentanyl in his blood to be considered an overdose. That is reality.

Which, even if he said it in court (which I am not sure he did), is not the same thing as "the MD concluded he died of an overdose".
You sometimes need to pay attention to the little details.

The jury can issue any findings they so choose, but that doesn’t change facts and reality.

It doesn't.
Neither does your misunderstanding what was said change facts and reality.

 

[MarcoHardOnFire]

Which, even if he said it in court (which I am not sure he did), is not the same thing as "the MD concluded he died of an overdose".
You sometimes need to pay attention to the little details.



It doesn't.
Neither does your misunderstanding what was said change facts and reality.

It wasn’t a trial, it was politically motivated theatre. Floyd was dead no matter what the police did and no matter what the jury thinks. Close to 4 times the lethal concentration of fentanyl in the blood stream only ends in one way. That’s a fact; the ability to coerce/bribe another MD to testify against it doesn’t change it.

 

[MarcoHardOnFire]

Except the very article you linked to as proof disagrees with you.

In another new document, Baker said, "That is a fatal level of fentanyl under normal circumstances."

But then Baker added, "I am not saying this killed him."

Look up the LD50 for fentanyl.

 

[Valcazar]

I can read, and what’s more I can synthesize a conclusion from multiple contradictory sources. Nobody refuted the level of fentanyl in Floyd’s blood, and nobody refuted that it was well in excess of what would be needed for an overdose.

You might want to check that last part again.
Pretty sure the idea that 11 ng/ml automatically produces an overdose might have been challenged in court.
Can you overdose with 11ng/ml in your bloodstream? Absolutely.
Is it inevitable and certain that you will overdose with 11 ng/ml in your bloodstream? Nope.

Again, a court’s ruling doesn’t have the power to change reality.

And again, your posting here and insisting that reality is otherwise doesn't change reality either.

 

[Valcazar]

It wasn’t a trial, it was politically motivated theatre. Floyd was dead no matter what the police did and no matter what the jury thinks. Close to 4 times the lethal concentration of fentanyl in the blood stream only ends in one way. That’s a fact; the ability to coerce/bribe another MD to testify against it doesn’t change it.

We've stepped up to coercing and bribing MDs who disagree with you now?
Interesting.

Look up the LD50 for fentanyl.

It's unknown in humans last I checked.

 

[MarcoHardOnFire]

We've stepped up to coercing and bribing MDs who disagree with you now?

You have?

It's unknown in humans last I checked.

Your Google-fu is as weak as your debating skill.

 

[MarcoHardOnFire]

Pretty sure the idea that 11 ng/ml automatically produces an overdose might have been challenged in court.

3 ng is an overdose. Floyd had 11 ng, 4 times an overdose. You can challenge that in court as much as you want, but the fact of the matter is that Floyd had an overdose on Fentanyl in his system and his death displayed the textbook symptoms of such an overdose. The cops didn’t kill Floyd; Floyd killed Floyd and then his death was used to foment political unrest in an election year.

Sorry dude, reality can be harsh.

 

[Robert Mugabe]

Nope. Evidence based analysis by a centrist. On autopsy Floyd had a lethal level of fentanyl in his blood stream. Fentanyl kills by causing respiratory arrest. Floyd died from respiratory arrest. Everything else is political spin.

Nothing to do with having a cop kneel on his neck for half an hour while he was od'ing. I guess that's police medical intervention. Resuscitation if you like.

 

[Valcazar]

Your Google-fu is as weak as your debating skill.

That's not an LD50, that's an rough estimate shorthand for first responders.
You need to be better at google.
The MSDS doesn't have an LD50 listed for humans.
Neither does the FDA approved label.
You need to dig further.

3 ng is an overdose.

But not necessarily a lethal one.
Did you even read anything you linked to earlier?

Floyd had 11 ng, 4 times an overdose.

Which isn't enough to guarantee death, as the numerous DUI arrests of people with higher concentrations than that attest to.
I realize you don't like facts if they disrupt your narrative, but you should try sticking to them.
They help a lot.

You can challenge that in court as much as you want, but the fact of the matter is that Floyd had an overdose on Fentanyl in his system and his death displayed the textbook symptoms of such an overdose. The cops didn’t kill Floyd; Floyd killed Floyd and then his death was used to foment political unrest in an election year.

I understand that this narrative is important to you emotionally, but you should really try engaging with the facts more.

Sorry dude, reality can be harsh.

It can be.
Look how much effort you are expending trying to deny it.

 

[Nathan 88]

Most cops are good people, but to all the bad cops out there, don’t abuse peoples rights and kill them. Otherwise you may get stabbed in prison.

 

[Robert Mugabe]

Most cops are good people, but to all the bad cops out there, don’t abuse peoples rights and kill them. Otherwise you may get stabbed in prison.

At least he didn't get his neck kneeled on.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

It's unknown in humans last I checked

Even though it depends on the size of the human, the LD50 for pure fentanyl is 2mg

 

[tastingyou]

As was pointed out earlier, jury’s and the legal system are not always closely related to justice, truth or reality.

The only fact that matters is that Floyd would have died with or without any help from the police. I realize this may upset you as you are obviously biased against police.

Anyone with even a minimum amount of knowledge knows that what is probably a lethal dose for occasional users probably would not be a lethal dose for regular users. I think that applies to most medications, drugs etc. etc.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Anyone with even a minimum amount of knowledge knows that what is probably a lethal dose for occasional users probably would not be a lethal dose for regular users. I think that applies to most medications, drugs etc. etc

Yes! Because of drug tolerance

 

[Valcazar]

Even though it depends on the size of the human, the LD50 for pure fentanyl is 2mg

Please offer proof.
Not "people estimate that for most people a lethal dose is 2mg" but actually "the LD50 in humans is" -- with a paper, citation to back it up.

 

[Leimonis]

Anyone with even a minimum amount of knowledge knows that what is probably a lethal dose for occasional users probably would not be a lethal dose for regular users. I think that applies to most medications, drugs etc. etc.

Quite apart from it, believing that this issue was not fully explored at his trial is as delusional as believing in Santa.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Please offer proof.
Not "people estimate that for most people a lethal dose is 2mg" but actually "the LD50 in humans is" -- with a paper, citation to back it up.

Have you tried googling it?? The DEA and RCMP estimate it to be at 2mg.

fentanyl ld50 - Google Zoeken

Of course if your tolerance is high it would take a larger dose.
But if you've never taken fentanyl before, and some unscrupulous drug dealer mixes it with a batch of cocaine, you would probably drop dead at 2 to 3mg.
This has happened before. A lawyer (who I knew) here in Toronto OD'ed because he thought he was just taking cocaine:

Defence lawyer among 3 dead after suspected fentanyl overdose in Toronto apartment

A promising Toronto criminal lawyer has become one of the city’s latest victims in the growing opioid crisis.

torontosun.com

He was never into fentanyl.
He was just a weekend coke user.
And now he's dead.

RIP

 

[lomotil]

Have you tried googling it?? The DEA and RCMP estimate it to be at 2mg.

fentanyl ld50 - Google Zoeken

Of course if your tolerance is high it would take a larger dose.
But if you've never taken fentanyl before, and some unscrupulous drug dealer mixes it with a batch of cocaine, you would probably drop dead at 2 to 3mg.
This has happened before. A lawyer (who I knew) here in Toronto OD'ed because he thought he was just taking cocaine:

Defence lawyer among 3 dead after suspected fentanyl overdose in Toronto apartment

A promising Toronto criminal lawyer has become one of the city’s latest victims in the growing opioid crisis.

torontosun.com

He was never into fentanyl.
He was just a weekend coke user.
And now he's dead.

RIP

God damn the pusherman…..

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

God damn the pusherman…..

There's a special place in hell for people who deal in this poison

 

[richaceg]

Maybe he set it up...minor injury-proof he's in danger...move him to a lower risk wing... gen pop isn't good for ex - cops i heard.