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Sleepy Joe could be getting impeached!!

Skoob

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The problem is Trump is a know nothing type of bloke. And no matter how profoundly ignorant his statements, his followers clean up behind him "he didn't mean it" "he actually meant this..." "he's joking" "he's not meant to be taken literally ". This has the effect of normalizing the routine moronic statements he utters. OK, then wtf does he mean? Nothing and everything? You can't pick and choose. All you do is muddy.

Here is what he says. Trump has stated he's dumping the constitution, replacing the government with people loyal to him (not the US constitution) will use all arms of the government to crush his political opponents. He'll invoke the insurrection act to use the military to crush domestic opposition. He believes the presidency is above the law (for him, not for Biden or democrats). This is fascism.

Note almost everyone who worked for Trump says he's absolutely unfit to be president. Those who disagree are those felons he's pardoned, or those currently under indictment.

Think about it. Clearly. It's not derangement. It's quoting the man and HIS followers. Not democrats.

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Maybe everyone has been, for generations, conditioned to accept the manner by which conventional politicians speak. Perhaps career politicians are better at ensuring they pick their words wisely or not stray from the script.
It basically boils down to whether a person takes what Trump says literally or not. Do they take the words more literally than the message?
It's really that simple.

Then consider bias.

If someone already hates the guy, then of course everything he says will be magnified to suit their own cognitive bias. It works the other way as well.

For example, one might consider Trump like that crazy uncle that can say things in a strange way, but underneath it all, they actually make sense.
or
simply think the uncle is nuts and leave it at that without any further consideration.

Would you rather someone be themselves good & bad? Or try and fool you by speaking eloquently?

Everyone has their preference.
 
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bver_hunter

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Wow that's a lot of TDS dribbling out of you right there in that response.
He was joking. Get over it.
Are you so righteous and TDS-inflicted that you can't even tell when someone is joking?
He doesn't sniff kids while holding their heads like Biden...creepy...not a joke...you like that?
Obviously, you are the one suffering from the Trump Devotee Syndrome...... not surprising coming from one of his cult followers!!
The only desperate ones to term Biden as "creepy" are the far right loonies. Nothing was wrong with what Biden did in comparison to Trump.
Trump is the most creepy idiot who has little respect for even his own daughter when he has no problem sticking his head below dungeon levels.
Even his former Chief of Staff John Kelly had to remind him that Ivanka is his daughter after he made the creepiest sexual remarks about her.


Yuck!!

 

Skoob

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Obviously, you are the one suffering from the Trump Devotee Syndrome...... not surprising coming from one of his cult followers!!
The only desperate ones to term Biden as "creepy" are the far right loonies. Nothing was wrong with what Biden did in comparison to Trump.
Trump is the most creepy idiot who has little respect for even his own daughter when he has no problem sticking his head below dungeon levels.
Even his former Chief of Staff John Kelly had to remind him that Ivanka is his daughter after he made the creepiest sexual remarks about her.


Yuck!!

Ohhhh...he's trying to sell books...gotcha.
btw did you buy a copy?
 
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Maybe everyone has been, for generations, conditioned to accept the manner by which conventional politicians speak. Perhaps career politicians are better at ensuring they pick their words wisely or not stray from the script.
It basically boils down to whether a person takes what Trump says literally or not. Do they take the words more literally than the message?
It's really that simple.

Then consider bias.

If someone already hates the guy, then of course everything he says will be magnified to suit their own cognitive bias. It works the other way as well.

For example, one might consider Trump like that crazy uncle that can say things in a strange way, but underneath it all, they actually make sense.
or
simply think the uncle is nuts and leave it at that without any further consideration.

Would you rather someone be themselves good & bad? Or try and fool you by speaking eloquently?

Everyone has their preference.
Skoob - actually a reasonable response and you make some good points. Thanks for playing the ball not the man.
My objection is that he (like Biden) is running (and ran, and won and lost) thus he needs to be more than a projective test. Moreover Bidens gaffes get full blown coverage, even wincing by his own secretary of state, whereas I watch Fox scramble like crazy to try to clean up the truly bizarre and ignorant statements by djt (eg Trump still does not understand NATO, despite his generals trying to explain it to him. Despite him not reading his daily briefing. Despite the white house having to give him cartoons featuring him as a hero in order to get him to pay attention). There is no analysis as to whether trump is fit. Every biden gaffe is proof on fox that biden is incapable of being president. Thats the bias. Cnn and msnbc cover bidens gaffes and discuss how it hurts him. Fox excuses trumps and spin it into "4 dimensional chess" that we mere mortals cannot comprehend.
 

Skoob

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Skoob - actually a reasonable response and you make some good points. Thanks for playing the ball not the man.
My objection is that he (like Biden) is running (and ran, and won and lost) thus he needs to be more than a projective test. Moreover Bidens gaffes get full blown coverage, even wincing by his own secretary of state, whereas I watch Fox scramble like crazy to try to clean up the truly bizarre and ignorant statements by djt (eg Trump still does not understand NATO, despite his generals trying to explain it to him. Despite him not reading his daily briefing. Despite the white house having to give him cartoons featuring him as a hero in order to get him to pay attention). There is no analysis as to whether trump is fit. Every biden gaffe is proof on fox that biden is incapable of being president. Thats the bias. Cnn and msnbc cover bidens gaffes and discuss how it hurts him. Fox excuses trumps and spin it into "4 dimensional chess" that we mere mortals cannot comprehend.
Media bias is no secret and beyond our control. It plays into the cognitive bias I mentioned in my post. Both sides will spin things their way to appease their audience. Their audiences tune in as confirmation they think the same way as others.
While it's really easy to make fun of Biden the real problem I have with him is his tenure in politics. Too engrained into the system combined with an obvious problem that comes with age. He is accustomed to having the party lead him.

Trump is a wild bucking bronco that certainly causes disruptions along the way but at the very least you know he is not a puppet. (perhaps if he were a puppet he wouldn't cause so many commotions).

So with the assumption that all politicians are full of shit, I would rather see what I'm getting than feel warm and fuzzy and remain blissfully unaware.
 

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Media bias is no secret and beyond our control. It plays into the cognitive bias I mentioned in my post. Both sides will spin things their way to appease their audience. Their audiences tune in as confirmation they think the same way as others.
While it's really easy to make fun of Biden the real problem I have with him is his tenure in politics. Too engrained into the system combined with an obvious problem that comes with age. He is accustomed to having the party lead him.

Trump is a wild bucking bronco that certainly causes disruptions along the way but at the very least you know he is not a puppet. (perhaps if he were a puppet he wouldn't cause so many commotions).

So with the assumption that all politicians are full of shit, I would rather see what I'm getting than feel warm and fuzzy and remain blissfully unaware.
Right, so you are against one old guy who got shit done, policies that american's wanted and needed and instead back someone who will 'disrupt' the system or break things because you don't like how they are. Me, I'm just disappointed that Biden destroyed his reelection backing a fascist who prefers rump.

This just plays into the cognitive bias of 'everything is broken, I'm not happy' and the toddler's rage to destroy it. But you really should be careful of what you wish for. Can you point to one example in history of this kind of politician coming in and actually making a country better? Did Berlusconi? Did Bolsonaro? Has any populist disrupted the system and then fixed it and made it better?

Is there a single example in history?
 

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Right, so you are against one old guy who got shit done, policies that american's wanted and needed and instead back someone who will 'disrupt' the system or break things because you don't like how they are. Me, I'm just disappointed that Biden destroyed his reelection backing a fascist who prefers rump.

This just plays into the cognitive bias of 'everything is broken, I'm not happy' and the toddler's rage to destroy it. But you really should be careful of what you wish for. Can you point to one example in history of this kind of politician coming in and actually making a country better? Did Berlusconi? Did Bolsonaro? Has any populist disrupted the system and then fixed it and made it better?

Is there a single example in history?
Biden did nothing and will continue to do nothing. Although he's finally dealing with the border wall even though it's racist and for some reason he hates Palestine which will obviously be his undoing.
Trump inherited a mess, then a pandemic, and countless distracting witch hunts. No invasions under his watch. I think he needs another opportunity without all the distraction to right the ship...again.

No one cried louder than the leftists who murdered millions on their road to bastardized communism. China. Russia. etc etc. so if you want to compare, then widen your net without cherry picking. Many left failures.

Which communist country/leader do you idolize? (JT doesn't count)
 
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Biden did nothing and will continue to do nothing. Although he's finally dealing with the border wall even though it's racist and for some reason he hates Palestine which will obviously be his undoing.
Trump inherited a mess, then a pandemic, and countless distracting witch hunts. No invasions under his watch. I think he needs another opportunity without all the distraction to right the ship...again.

No one cried louder than the leftists who murdered millions on their road to bastardized communism. China. Russia. etc etc. so if you want to compare, then widen your net without cherry picking. Many left failures.

Which communist country/leader do you idolize? (JT doesn't count)
Trump had the biggest job losses since the depression, Biden the most growth.
But sure, rump failed to start any wars, wow.

There are northern EU countries that have implemented the policies I back and are working very well.
You can't find a single case of a populist making things better or conservatives in Canada lowering the deficit.
 
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Skoob

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Trump had the biggest job losses since the depression, Biden the most growth.
But sure, rump failed to start any wars, wow.

There are northern EU countries that have implemented the policies I back and are working very well.
You can't find a single case of a populist making things better or conservatives in Canada lowering the deficit.
You still can't explain why any socialist country you favour has lower immigration rates than the US. ie if they are so much better then why aren't people flocking there?
 
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You still can't explain why any socialist country you favour has lower immigration rates than the US. ie if they are so much better then why aren't people flocking there?
By moving the goalposts you are admitting my statements are correct, that you know that you back an economic plan that has never worked.
 

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He has not written any, but will have a lot of time on his hands when he is Locked Up!! :LOL::ROFLMAO:
Trump has written several...I'm surprised you didn't include them in your last book-burning party.

btw do you even read the articles you share? My response was about the guy in YOUR article...try and keep up.

"Miles Taylor details in his upcoming book, Blowback: A Warning to Save Democracy From the Next Trump, which was first reported on by Newsweek on Wednesday."
 
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