“I felt like I got kicked”: Ontario man told new EV battery would cost more than $50,000

[farquhar]

A guy from Hamilton buys a used 2017 Hynudai Ioniq EV; the battery fails and no longer charges; there is a Warranty on the battery and charging components but it had just expired; Dealer quotes him $50,000 after taxes to replace the battery; this is after charging him $500 for the Diagnostic.

Gentleman decides to scrap the car for $1,000; gets the Media involved; Hyundai Corporate saves face and offers the customer the market value of the vehicle in cash or as a credit towards a new Hynudai.

I drive a 2009 Infiniti G37x which I purchased CPO in 2012; other than normal wear and tear, the most expensive repair bill I had to pay was for a leaking fuel line. I think I'll stick with Internal Combustion Engines.

 

[bazokajoe]

And that's just 1 reason, out of many, why I'll stick with an ICE aswell

 

[squeezer]

Yep, I can't bring myself to jump into an EV yet.

 

[oil&gas]

$50,000 is pretty steep price for virtue signalling.

 

[explorerzip]

As always, the warranty just ran out.

 

[Ceiling Cat]

It sounds like Hyundai backed down at the last minute. If the guy did not scream like a stuck pig then he would have gotten nothing.

 

[tml]

It sounds like Hyundai backed down at the last minute. If the guy did not scream like a stuck pig then he would have gotten nothing.

Happens all the time when Pat Forin does a report on CFTO news. He's amazing.

 

[Fun For All]

A guy from Hamilton buys a used 2017 Hynudai Ioniq EV; the battery fails and no longer charges; there is a Warranty on the battery and charging components but it had just expired; Dealer quotes him $50,000 after taxes to replace the battery; this is after charging him $500 for the Diagnostic.

Gentleman decides to scrap the car for $1,000; gets the Media involved; Hyundai Corporate saves face and offers the customer the market value of the vehicle in cash or as a credit towards a new Hynudai.

I drive a 2009 Infiniti G37x which I purchased CPO in 2012; other than normal wear and tear, the most expensive repair bill I had to pay was for a leaking fuel line. I think I'll stick with Internal Combustion Engines.

I have a 2012 Infiniti M37, best car I’ve ever owned…just saying.

 

[basketcase]

Anyone who's been paying attention knows that battery failure, replacement, and disposal are still a a big issue that hasn't been solved. But a 3 year lease should be fine.

 

[shack]

I have a 2012 Infiniti M37, best car I’ve ever owned…just saying.

The best I've ever had is my current. '09 Genesis. 320,000km/200,000 miles with only wear and tear issues.

 

[Born2Star]

One thing I never understand is that when I need to get rid of a small AA battery, I’m told I can’t just throw it away like garbage. It has to be disposed in special place so that it can be processed safely. Otherwise it’ll be “poisonous and harmful to the environment”.

And then you have an EV, which literally have several thousands of the same battery tie together and they’re touting this as environmental friendly and “saving the world”.

What am I missing?

 

[Jubee]

They're going to make ICE based vehicles obsolete and illegal to drive within 10 years and EVs will be too expensive for the average person to afford, so it will literally be a luxury item for the wealthy.

Meanwhile, Elon The Great, Elon Humanity's Saviour, touts the EV revolution as being green.
Sure Elon ..

TikTok - Make Your Day

 

[Jubee]

We can only hope that EV technology and infrastructure significantly improves by then. I cannot stand EVs for now. They look like cheap tablets with wheels lol. It doesn't give you the satisfaction and experience of an ICE vehicle.

We'll be dead well before we experience the significant improvements. Even with the improvements, chances are it'll all be auto-pilot/AI whatever else type of driving. No more interaction with the vehicle, kinda like "virtual life". We've already lost the tactile feel of phones and a lot of the new ICE vehicles have touchscreens, no thanks. I love the tactile feel of pushing buttons, turning knobs, sliding levers.
EVs are basically an iPad with wheels as I read once somewhere, exactly what you said.

 

[bazokajoe]

One thing I never understand is that when I need to get rid of a small AA battery, I’m told I can’t just throw it away like garbage. It has to be disposed in special place so that it can be processed safely. Otherwise it’ll be “poisonous and harmful to the environment”.

And then you have an EV, which literally have several thousands of the same battery tie together and they’re touting this as environmental friendly and “saving the world”.

What am I missing?

You aren't missing anything. They are not environmentally friendly at all. From the mining of the metals required to the disposal of the batteries.

 

[RZG]

You aren't missing anything. They are not environmentally friendly at all. From the mining of the metals required to the disposal of the batteries.

The farther this EV business goes, the more it looks like a big scam/sham. No where near ready for prime time. A 1 EV family will be using 25 to 35% more hydro I heard on this mornings news, now add a second vehicle or more....

 

[bazokajoe]

The farther this EV business goes, the more it looks like a big scam/sham. No where near ready for prime time. A 1 EV family will be using 25 to 35% more hydro I heard on this mornings news, now add a second vehicle or more....

And electric buses are even shittier.

Edmonton's fleet of electric buses failing amid manufacturer's bankruptcy proceedings

In the summer of 2020, Don Iveson, then Edmonton's mayor, announced that electric buses were being deployed by the city's transit service.During a news conference at the Kathleen Andrews Transit Garage, Iveson said the new buses were quiet, "super-efficient" and "particularly efficient...

ca.yahoo.com

 

[explorerzip]

One thing I never understand is that when I need to get rid of a small AA battery, I’m told I can’t just throw it away like garbage. It has to be disposed in special place so that it can be processed safely. Otherwise it’ll be “poisonous and harmful to the environment”.

And then you have an EV, which literally have several thousands of the same battery tie together and they’re touting this as environmental friendly and “saving the world”.

What am I missing?

Not sure what point you're making because both AA and EV batteries have to be disposed of properly because their components can be harmful to the environment. On the other hand, you can only use a AA battery a few times before it has to be disposed. A lithium ion battery used in EV's can be charged and re-charged many, many times.

 

[Uncharted]

EVs are also at least twice the weight of an ICE vehicle.
This is something that no one is accounting for.

There isn't a single multi-level parking garage in North America that is rated for that kind of weight at max capacity. Which means if anyone actually pays attention, they will have to reduce the number of parking spots in the big cities just to accommodate these things, but what will likely happen is no one will do anything until one collapses.

And then there is the Gardiner. Can you imagine what will happen to the Gardiner when it is bumper to bumper, stop and go electric vehicles? It is falling apart already. When there is nothing but electric cars and trucks on it, it will collapse, as will many elevated expressways in North America.
And no one is even thinking about this? Is anyone even talking about shoring up the Gardiner for the onslaught of Electric Vehicles that will be mandated by law in the very near future?

 

[explorerzip]

We can only hope that EV technology and infrastructure significantly improves by then. I cannot stand EVs for now. They look like cheap tablets with wheels lol. It doesn't give you the satisfaction and experience of an ICE vehicle.

The biggest issue is the charge time for EV's. The "fastest" charger is level 4 and it's meant for commercial trucks. Then there's the level 3 Telsa Supercharger, which has a proprietary connector. Even though they're both "fast chargers" they still take 20 minutes or 10X longer than filling a gas tank.

Unfortunately, we can't simply charge an EV battery faster because there are many limitations with batteries. The simplest being that there are internal resistances in batteries. Fast charging creates excess heat, which degrades the battery capacity and performance over time. Naturally, EV's and phones have software in them to manage battery temperature.

I was talking with an engineer friend and I think he said that that the voltage has to go up to make charging speeds go up. But that comes with the tradeoff that the cable has to be thicker. Thicker cables are heavier, costlier and are harder to coil up.

 

[oil&gas]

And no one is even thinking about this? Is anyone even talking about shoring up the Gardiner for the onslaught of Electric Vehicles that will be mandated by law in the very near future?

Congested highway should not be a problem if ICE vehicles are
eventually banned for real. EVs are and will only be affordable to the
affluent minority. And without fuel tax as a source of funds for
maintenance of our roads you can expect no more highway will
be built and existing ones to be closed.