Israel at war
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Just like when I used to watch Judge Judy on TV, no matter what Judge Judy's decision was, in almost every case neither the plaintiffs nor the defendants, during their post-trial interviews, seemed to be persuaded that their original positions were wrong.
The same is evident in this thread. But it is interesting, and perhaps even enlightening and educational for those willing to listen to both sides of the issue, to hear all reasonable points of view and express our individual opinions.
I agree though, that I have no confidence there is any ultimately peaceful solution to the Palestine/Israel conflict, and certainly none will arise from this thread. Nonetheless I will continue to participate as long as I feel I am learning from it, and can perhaps contribute something of value to the discussion.
Dude just keeps repeating the same shit over and over whining like a baby wtf, he exaggerates more than my fucking wife.
Man wearing Israeli flag refused to leave High Park mosque until police were called
Since the incident on Monday, the local community has seen an increased police presence in the area.
Even more Islamophobia in Toronto today
Fair enough, approach things much the same way. However one month in, how many of the 300 pages, and just the same things being said over and over and over.
Anything new at all in the last 3 weeks or 250 pages?
You're Paying for the Israel War. You'll Also Pay for the Refugees. | Mises Institute
Resettling Gazans in America—at taxpayer expense—will be sold as a "humanitarian" effort, but anyone who sees through the propaganda will see that it's really
You're Paying For The Israel War. You'll Also Pay For The Refugees.
SATURDAY, NOV 18, 2023 - 09:35 PM
Authored by Ryan McMaken via the Mises Institute,
The United States regime has picked sides in the Israel-Hamas war and has committed to funding Israel's ongoing bombing of non-combatant men, women, and children in the Gaza strip. Northern Gaza's infrastructure is now all but destroyed, with millions of Gazans displaced and homeless. Nearly ten times more Gazans than Israelis have now died in the conflict. Many Gazans have fled to the southern portion of Gaza, but homelessness and abject poverty awaits them there.
By employing what is essentially the carpet-bombing approach, Tel Aviv has made the choice of adopting a policy that is sure to produce hundreds of thousands of refugees—or perhaps even more than a million. Indeed, many in the Israeli regime are motivated to maximize refugees, and push Gazans out of the country altogether using the Orwellian phrase "voluntary migration."
On a military, tactical level, the Israeli state will have no problem accomplishing this. Tel Aviv has an air force, a deep reservoir of American-funded weapons, and a nuclear arsenal. The Israeli military can easily reduce all of Gaza to rubble. But what is sure to result from this is a humanitarian disaster accompanied by a global debate over which foreign country will host the refugees.
Israeli mouthpieces are already at work pushing the cost onto foreign taxpayers, including American ones. This week, two Israeli politicians—one from the militarist Likud party, and one from the center-left Yesh Atid party—took to the pages of The Wall Street Journal to demand that "countries around the world should offer a haven for Gaza residents who seek relocation." According to these politicians, "[t]he international community"—i.e., not Israel—"has a moral imperative" to resettle Gazans somewhere outside Israel at not-Israel's expense.
It is significant these claims appeared in an American publication. Tel Aviv is the latest welfare-queen regime—in the tradition of Ukraine's Volodymyr Zelensky—repeatedly haranguing the American public with demands for free money. It's no coincidence that Israel's Benjamin Netanyahu is now seemingly ubiquitous on American prime-time news programs. His primary job right now is to demand money and favors from Washington and from other Western regimes.
It will probably work. Americans should get ready for plane-loads of Gaza refugees arriving in their cities, funded by the American taxpayers who can now barely afford to keep up with the price of groceries. This will be sold as a "humanitarian" effort, but anyone who sees through the propaganda will see that it's really all a cynical effort to please pro-Israel interest groups and Israeli politicians.
A Pattern of War and Refugees
This was all predictable from the minute the war started last month.
The US and its allies have settled into a predictable pattern in foreign policy over the past thirty years: force the taxpayers to pay for the regime's wars which involve bombing various poor foreign countries "back into the stone age." Then, once the refugees start pouring out—and the Americans have lost the war, of course—Western regimes then tell the taxpayers back home to cough up even more money to pay for resettlement of all those refugees whose countries were needlessly destroyed by the bombs dropped by Washington and its allies.
This is no small phenomenon. A 2020 report from Brown University estimated that 37 million people have been made refugees by the US-led "War on Terrorism." By 2016, 5.2 million of them reached Europe. In 2022 alone, more than 159,000 refugees arrived by sea in Italy, Greece, Spain, Cyprus, and Malta. Thousands more arrive at the land borders of the EU every year.
Thanks to the distance from western Asia and North Africa, refugees totals have been smaller in the United States. Nonetheless, the total number of refugees has ranged from 50,000 to 90,000 per year in most years since the US began its war in Afghanistan. This has transformed a number of communities in the United States, however, since refugees often tend to concentrate in specific places along ethnic or religious lines. In the decades of the US's endless on-again, off-again military meddling in Somalia, tens of thousands of Somali refugees have been relocated to Minnesota at taxpayers' expense. Since 2018, Minnesota has hosted more than 40,000 Somalia-born migrants (many classified as refugees). Most of the refugees, of course, are concentrated within Minneapolis' metro population of only 3.5 million. In democracies, this has political consequences.
It is also important to remember that migrants who enjoy the legal status of refugees are not normal immigrants. Ordinary immigrants arrive at the United States at their own expense. The vast majority must find work on their own if they wish to have an income. They are eligible for few social benefits. Those seeking legal residency, of course, must go through a lengthy administrative process. For example, Mexicans who obtain a work visa in the United States have to work. They don't show up and receive "free" help from government-funded refugee agencies in finding jobs, apartments, and other government freebies.
In contrast, all of that is fast-tracked for people labeled "refugee" by the federal government, and most of these refugees are immediately eligible for a wide array of taxpayer funded benefits. In total, this all costs the taxpayers nearly two billion dollars per year, or $80,000 per refugee per year in the form of federal and state programs including food stamps, child care, and public housing.
It's not enough that you pay for the bombs that create the refugees, dear American taxpayer. You'll also have to pay to resettle those refugees in your town.
I have lied about nothing. My point, which you have not refuted, because it is impossible to so and cannot even bring yourself to admit, is that Hamas surrendering and releasing the hostages is the fastest way to prevent Gazans/Palestinians from suffering under Israel's retaliation. Is it somehow shameful to admit that I'm correct. I don't understand. Maybe it is because I don't have any firsthand knowledge of how it is to live with so much hatred as you do.
I have proven that 100% wrong. Surrender by Hamas is the fastest. I didn't say that it would necessarily happen, but it is clearly the fastest. Again, why is that so monumentally difficult to agree with?
For the sake of the Palestinians, what else. Why do you even have to ask?
A surrender in which they give up their weapons, allow themselves to be arrested and release the hostages doesn't really require any trust. What do you think surrender means? D'uuhh. Trusting them to uphold a negotiated treaty is a different matter. That's why a surrender is required. And if Israel were to negotiate after a ceasefire, as you recommend, why are YOU trusting them?
As usual, your talking points are all shown to be hate driven, hypocritical drivel. They never stands up to scrutiny as shown in this post. You can only tell so many lies until the fallacies, inconsistencies and hypocrisies are revealed. The hate boils to the top for everyone to see.
Between Klatuu, franK and you, Kautilya, you are TERB's KKK.
You are just as reprehensible and racist as they were/are.
If they keep repeating the same lies, I'll keep rebutting them?
So she only fucked 2 other guys today? Not the 3 that she claimed to?
Stand with Palestine: Call on Political Leaders to End Their Complicity in Genocide!
We, the undersigned, residing in so-called Canada, urge Canadian political leaders to end their complicity in the ongoing massacres and genocide in Gaza, Occupied Palestine. The letter, demanding accountability and action from political leaders, is as follows: Dear Members of Parliament, You...
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Yep they have all the buzz words in there, lol
But since I'm all for free speech I say let it ride...At the very least we'll know who's thinking what.
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