Israel at war

Frankfooter

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Coward.
Answer the question I already asked you and then with a yes or no and I'll answer your question.

With what's happening in Gaza since Oct. 7, do you think that the attack was a good move?
I don't respond to your anger, threats and racism, shack.

Your taunts are pathetic, you're not even man enough to take your views to a Palestine protest and say them out loud.
You are now afraid of Canadians.

So, just like we know you support killing babies and genocide through your refusal to deny them, you also understand that zionism has been a total failure. It has not made Jews any safer and only increased antisemitism. I'd comment on what genocide and the occupation is doing to the Palestinians but since you're such a racist I know it would only make you feel satisfied.

Zionism will be the last settler colonial movement.

 

PeteOsborne

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I appreciate you taking the time to check sources, but really, its not the issue.
The issue is that Canadians see Israel increasingly as apartheid and its costing politicians support to say otherwise.
There is no chance those numbers will do anything but increase.

Once American and Canadian politicians realize they can no longer support Israel then international sanctions will start.
Its coming.
The issue is credibility, when you post incorrect or misleading items, your credibility decreases.
Therefore your input on the matter is taken with less regard.
From the poll you posted about earlier.
https://files.constantcontact.com/3ffcf3a6301/7140687e-e4a8-453f-8827-9efbb6e6df4b.pdf
The interesting thing I noticed was that when asked " Would a politician calling for a ceasefire increase, decrease or have no impact on your favourability of them? (all voters)".
53% said it would have no impact on thier favourability of that politician.
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So it doesn't seem to matter to half of Canadians polled what stance a politcian takes on a ceasefire.
 

Frankfooter

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The issue is credibility, when you post incorrect or misleading items, your credibility decreases.
Therefore your input on the matter is taken with less regard.
From the poll you posted about earlier.
https://files.constantcontact.com/3ffcf3a6301/7140687e-e4a8-453f-8827-9efbb6e6df4b.pdf
The interesting thing I noticed was that when asked " Would a politician calling for a ceasefire increase, decrease or have no impact on your favourability of them? (all voters)".
53% said it would have no impact on thier favourability of that politician.
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So it doesn't seem to matter to half of Canadians polled what stance a politcian takes on a ceasefire.
I post the links to the sources, Pete, and you haven't found anything I've said to be wrong, only that you favour different interpretations like this:
You think that 53% is more important than the 33% who said it would impact their favourablity?
If I was a politician I'd be way more worried that 1/3 of your supporters might change their vote based on this stance.

That's all it would take to turf a party.
But your interpretation would have it look like there are no repercussions.
So which looks more relevant less like misinformation here?
 
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PeteOsborne

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I have no doubt he is qualified. He must be given his credentials. But I am talking about neutrality. He comes from a pro-Israel partisan country writing for pro-Israel partisan media. I will instead take a neutral UN observer or wait for the ICC investigation to conclude. I am pretty sure they will find evidence of war crimes by Israel.



When you think that travelling to the middle east somehow gives you more knowledge about the conflict than actual scholars on the subject. That's akin to conducting your own COVID research and refusing the vaccine. 😂
Just doing some background reading and came across this article in which he is critical of the coaliton forces handling of urban warfare in Mosul, Iraq and he calls for revamping of eight rules of urban warfare and why they should be changed to protect civilians.
In Mosul, a force of over one hundred thousand attacked somewhere between five and twelve thousand enemy fighters defending the city. The nine-month battle is reported to have killed over ten thousand civilians, caused an estimated two billion dollars in damage to the city, created ten million tons of debris, and displaced over 1.8 million of the city’s residents.
These rules still exist and reading through, it is what is going on in Gaza down to the use of subterranean infrastructure.
https://mwi.usma.edu/the-eight-rules-of-urban-warfare-and-why-we-must-work-to-change-them/
He doesn't appear to take sides.
In his conclusion:
"Since modern militaries do not sufficiently understand the city attack as terrain-based positional warfare, they apply the principles, tools, and methods of enemy-based maneuver warfare that rely on maneuver and firepower. Ultimately, this fundamental misunderstanding leads to the destruction of entire cities, building by building.

If militaries fail to address these rules, the city attack will remain one of the missions with the most tactical, accidental, and political risk. It will continue to drive combat into urban areas where weaker combatants can use the advantages they gain for short-term political wins."
 
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mandrill

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No Pete, you are wrong and your accusation of misinformation is ungrounded.

The statement on the image is correct, it states 77% of Canadians support a diplomatic solution OR taking no action.
That is backed up by the numbers you posted. This image was posted in response to Trudeau's government taking an active role by backing the Israeli position.

That poll is not surprising either as 48% of Canadians think Israel is apartheid.

The poll speaks for itself. Only 35% support Canada diplomatically pressuring for a ceasefire.

14% support unconditional support for Israel.
 

mandrill

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No, toguy.

None of the violence is acceptable.
But in order to stop it you need to address the root problems.
The occupation and colonization of Palestine.

And since Palestine has been wiped off the maps the only peaceful solution is to end apartheid and give Palestinians full citizenship, human rights and the vote.

Frankie, the sane interpretation of that image is that Israel is attempting to avoid unnecessary civilians deaths by warning people to evacuate a war zone. Nothing supports the position that Israel wants to inflict large civilian casualties.
 

shack

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I don't respond to your anger, threats and racism, shack.
You've been responding up until now. What changed?

I calmly asked this:
With what's happening in Gaza since Oct. 7, do you think that the attack was a good move?

Where is the anger, threats and racism?

I am simply asking a reasonable question as I am interested in hearing your opinion.

But for someone who loves to tell us all what he thinks, all of a sudden you are afraid to tell us your opinion. How strange.

I asked above, what changed? This:

You are cornered and now you are simply lashing out. You are unhinged (but not unfringed) and showing your frustration when you can't gaslight at will and the flaws, inconsistencies and hypocrisy of your statements are exposed using fact, logic and best of all, using your own words against you. You are cornered.

It's ok Fringie. You don't have to answer for me to prove what a phony you are and how much hate you have. But just for old time sake and tradition:

With what's happening in Gaza since Oct. 7, do you think that the attack was a good move? I hope you have a Smurfy day.😘
 

shack

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Has zionism been worth it?
Is this a rhetorical question?

Clearly it has. The goal was the creation of Israel. Look on a map.

Do you think the Jewish people are now safer?
Compared to during the Holocaust? Who could deny that they are? Another rhetorical question. LOL.

By the way. that's a pretty ominous sounding question. Almost like there should be a little more to it. It almost sounds like a threat.

So tell us, what does that question mean? Safer from whom? Safer from what?
 
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Butler1000

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Everyone here already knows where you stand, Slobodan. You should be happy I'm trying to find supporters for your plan of ethnic cleansing and collective punishment for Palestinian civilians.
Its less about support really and more about indifference. After 75 years the Palestinians are the bad cousin you no longer invite to family functions, just shake you head at, and know you will some day have to attend their funeral, pay respects, but really aren't too worried about it.
 

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Waking up to these images from my local Starbucks at Bathurst and Eglinton in Toronto, an area w/ a large Jewish population. In case your struggling to read the hate graffiti, it says, “a cup of coffee, you mean a cup of blood”, “stop killing babies” and “blood on your hands”. This is the daily reality for Jews in Canada. Pleading w/ our leaders to do all they can to calm things down.
 

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When there are no consequences to the vandalism and calls for boycotts to Jewish-owned businesses in downtown Toronto — there is an escalation to deface businesses in Jewish neighbourhoods in midtown Toronto to intimidate those who live there. The cowardly silence and lack of action from federal MPs in this morally bankrupt government will not be forgotten. And it will be a good day for the safety of the Jewish community and all Canadians when they are gone. #cdnpoli
 
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