Israel at war

Conil

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He gets emotional recalling the video of the massacre of October 7 that was screened at the Israel consulate in Toronto. The article is also very good. I bet if we see the video, we'll understand why Israel is not stopping.

KINSELLA: It was up to journalists to expose Hamas' delight in savagery


Don’t make it about you.
That’s one of the first things we learned in journalism school. First-person writing wasn’t completely outlawed — but, if your story had “I” and “me” in it, you had to have a very good reason.

And: what you feel, as a writer, was irrelevant. What matters is how the people you’re writing about feel. Their feelings matter a lot more than yours.

Journalists and writers started to violate these rules in the early 70s. Tom Wolfe, Truman Capote, Hunter S. Thompson, Joan Didion, Ta-Nahisi Coates, James Baldwin and others started to place themselves in their stories — and they started to sell lots of books and magazines and newspapers.

Some, like George Plimpton, even got into the boxing ring so he could write more vividly about boxing. The new approaches had different names: Participative Journalism, New Journalism. Traditionalists didn’t like it, but the first-person approach attracted converts.

Sitting in a darkened room at the Israeli Consulate in Toronto this week, watching unspeakable horrors unfold on a screen, I — sorry — remembered these journalism rules. They created a dilemma.

 

Leimonis

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I dont see a problem with posters, but I also do not see a point to it. What use is posting posters of hostages here in the west when they are being held in Gaza? Also why aren't there posters of dead Palestinian children or the 1000s being held in custody without trial?

Anyway, yes I do believe targeting Hamas' leadership would work the same way it did when Al-Qaeda and ISIS leaders were targeted. The groups still exist but are weaker.

And yes Israel means to punish Gaza and take land. Hence the bombing to get people to leave, under the guise of fighting Hamas. Without Hamas, where would Bibi be in his political career. So he is perhaps secretively thanking his stars there was a terror attack lol, or he was about to be flushed down the political sewer as it were.
Well as far as I am concerned you and other virtue signallers in this thread and elsewhere just help the evil in this world, first and foremost Iran.
Every pro Palestinian demonstration or action helps Iran and also helps Russia.
 

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I realized there is no point debating with people whose reasons for supporting Israel are one of the following:

1. They are Jewish. - toguy5252, xmontrealer and perhaps basketcase (who has been mostly absent from this thread, may be because the deaths are getting to him) etc., fall in this category.
2. They are simply supporting Israel, because of group dynamics - siding with the majority. I suspect Mandrill falls in this category, because he initially literally said that Israel is indiscriminately bombing the Palestinians. lol.
3. They are racist and hate Muslims or experience selective empathy based on skin colour, culture and religious belief. These are the ones who stereotype and gloat on the deaths of the Palestinians. You know who they are.
4. They are white and think they need to be "good white people" and support the Jews because apparently antisemitism is the biggest kind of racism there is. Because you know, the holocaust. These are the ones who constantly keep deluding themselves talking about how Israel is defending itself, or that Hamas is their focus when evidence and past behaviour is glaringly the opposite. The majority like - shack, squeezer, Leimonis etc., fall in this category I suspect.

None of these can be rationalized with.

You can only argue with people who are interested in making fact based decisions and are willing to change their minds. That is something you can address, but not the others.
You don't really take in anything that you read and don't like, do you? 😼
 
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I realized there is no point debating with people whose reasons for supporting Israel are one of the following:

1. They are Jewish. - toguy5252, xmontrealer and perhaps basketcase (who has been mostly absent from this thread, may be because the deaths are getting to him) etc., fall in this category.
2. They are simply supporting Israel, because of group dynamics - siding with the majority. I suspect Mandrill falls in this category, because he initially literally said that Israel is indiscriminately bombing the Palestinians. lol.
3. They are racist and hate Muslims or experience selective empathy based on skin colour, culture and religious belief. These are the ones who stereotype and gloat on the deaths of the Palestinians. You know who they are.
4. They are white and think they need to be "good white people" and support the Jews because apparently antisemitism is the biggest kind of racism there is. Because you know, the holocaust. These are the ones who constantly keep deluding themselves talking about how Israel is defending itself, or that Hamas is their focus when evidence and past behaviour is glaringly the opposite. The majority like - shack, squeezer, Leimonis etc., fall in this category I suspect.

None of these can be rationalized with.

You can only argue with people who are interested in making fact based decisions and are willing to change their minds. That is something you can address, but not the others.
400,000 Yemeni Killed, 200,000 Syrians, countless Libyians, 8 years of war between Iran/Iraq, There is lots more.

Who is being selective about who commits war crimes exactly?
 

The Oracle

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On the slopes of Mount Parnassus, Greece

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The evil in this world are the colonizers - such as the British colonization of almost the entire world, the US illegal invasion of Iraq, Israeli brutalization of the Palestinians, and the Russian brutalization of the Ukrainians. And also, yes, terrorists like the Hamas, ISIS and Al-Qaeda.

However, Palestinians are civilians. You should be supporting them against the colonial oppression they are being subjected to. Being pro-Palestinian, is the morally correct position. Being pro-Israel, is supporting a state currently engaged in brutalizing a poor, disenfranchised people. That is immoral.
I sympathize with Palestinian civilians but the reality is their government doesn’t give a shit about them and axis of evil which is Russia and Iran are using them for their evil purposes.
So as far as I am concerned it’s not the israel that’s killing them. It’s hamas and Iran.
 

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Hamas uses Palestinian children as human shields. Recent footage shows they are using children’s schools, amusement parks, and kids’ bedrooms as weapons depots and terror tunnels entrances for their vast terror network. This is a violation of international law. Hamas is turning civilians areas into terrorist targets. Videos like these expose Hamas’s priorities. Hamas is not interested in ruling Gaza. They are using Gaza and the Palestine people as pawns in their game to eradicate Israel, they turned the entire city into a terror base. Israel has been doing everything in its power to evacuate the residents of Gaza to safety. Israel has been dropping leaflets, they created evacuation routes, and protecting the residents with soldiers and tanks to ensure safe passage. Free Gaza from Hamas
 

mitchell76

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Two Indian Americans, Shailja Gupta and Kurush Mistry, harass and abuse a Jewish American in Manhattan, ask him to go back to Israel. The woman goes so far as to identify herself as a Palestinian and accuses all Israelis of being rapists, claiming she has already proven so in her papers. The Jewish man in the video had encountered the duo on Nov. 9, tearing down posters of Israeli civilians kidnapped by Hamas and replacing them with the ones saying Israelis deserved it. I want to start by assuring my Jewish friends that Ms. Gupta does not speak for the vast majority of Hindus. She is a vile person who also frequently makes disparaging remarks about Hindus, targeting their religious beliefs. We have no idea who these two are friends with or what their motivations are, but they appear pretty desperate and need to be made accountable for their actions.
 

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However, Palestinians are civilians. You should be supporting them against the colonial oppression they are being subjected to. Being pro-Palestinian, is the morally correct position. Being pro-Israel, is supporting a state currently engaged in brutalizing a poor, disenfranchised people. That is immoral.

I suggest you give this a good watch.
 
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