Israel at war

mandrill

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Germany was a state. Hamas is a terrorist group. So the comparison between Germany and Hamas is apples and oranges.
No. What you write is just simply wrong.

And that is what they are doing now. They have razed 25% of Gaza to the ground, 9000+ people dead, half of them children and counting, while the Hamas is still going strong. Collective punishment per your own definition.
No. Re read what I wrote more carefully. You're not absorbing the distinctions that I am drawing for you.
 

mandrill

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Yes. And the majority of deaths in the current conflict were avoidable. Had Israel adopted another approach, say via covert military operations, other than indiscriminate aerial bombing, these deaths could have been avoided. That said, don't forget that Israel's goal is not just to kill Hamas, it is to also punish the Palestinians and steal their lands. Its unacknowledged state policy. There is tons of evidence for it.
You have NO IDEA what the IDF commanders consider, what their intel is and how feasible it is to do any of the imaginary military operations that you suggest. It's my opinion that a slow house-by-house assault is probably the only way this could be done.
 

Frankfooter

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Frankie, the whole 7 October atrocity was set up to achieve exactly what you are displaying. HAMAS ensured that it got a maximum force response from Israel and also ensured that this response entailed the maximum collateral damage to Gaza and its inhabitants.

Why did it set this up?

To display endless photos of destroyed houses, hospitals, schools and dead kids to people like you. It's a PR contest. It's deliberate.
So you're saying that Hamas has outsmarted Israel?
And you think Israel is so stupid they went genocidal without knowing what it will do to them longterm?
 

Frankfooter

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You have NO IDEA what the IDF commanders consider, what their intel is and how feasible it is to do any of the imaginary military operations that you suggest. It's my opinion that a slow house-by-house assault is probably the only way this could be done.
What we do know is that they've killed 10,000 people.
Mostly women and children.

Either they're really fucking evil or they are the worst army in the world.
Which do you think?
 

Frankfooter

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The fact that they are "refugees" 60 years after their grandparents were evicted from their residences in what is now Israel, means that they are not legitimate refugees. They are people whose parents and grandparents were not resettled elsewhere in the Arab world and given opportunities by those other Arab countries because they were - and are - exploited as human pathos trophies.

I have a buddy whose grandparents fled Stalin from Latvia in 1955. My buddy is a successful real estate agent. By what stretch of the imagination can people whose ancestors fled a country a half century ago be called "refugees".

I sympathize with the Gazans. They are trapped. But the people who trap them are the other Arab states and the corrupt HAMAS hierarchy who are billionaires and live outside the Gaza enclave.
Also legally wrong, mandrill.
For a lawyer you seem to be making bold and wrong legal statements a lot about Israel and Palestine.
There is no end date on refugee status.

Israel has been refusing to honour UN resolutions calling for them to honour the Right of Return for half a century, but that doesn't mean the claims aren't still ongoing.
 
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Leimonis

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What we do know is that they've killed 10,000 people.
Mostly women and children.

Either they're really fucking evil or they are the worst army in the world.
Which do you think?
I think this number is bullshit coming from terrorists
 
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Frankfooter

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But it's NOT a collective punishment.

They're just inevitable collateral damage because HAMAS deliberately locates its military installations in civilian areas to get a reaction from people like you when the IDF comes after those military installations.
The blockade was collective punishment.
A siege where you block all food, water and power is collective punishment.

Those are war crimes and very clear examples, mandrill.
Why would you support war crimes by Israel if you're trying to claim its about war crimes or 'terrorism'?
 
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Frankfooter

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I think this number is bullshit coming from terrorists
Israel did call Defense for Children International 'terrorists'.
And of course you're part of the crowd that calls all Palestinians 'terrorists'.
CM calls Amnesty 'terrorist supporters'.

That's what you mean, isn't it?

Or do you mean terrorists like these ones?

Doctors without Borders, they're terrorists as well, right?
Same with medics and ambulance drivers?

 

Frankfooter

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You have NO IDEA what the IDF commanders consider, what their intel is and how feasible it is to do any of the imaginary military operations that you suggest. It's my opinion that a slow house-by-house assault is probably the only way this could be done.
Perhaps you'd like to discuss what kind of intel you think the IDF would have for them to target the car of a Lebanese journalist, killing a grandmother and 3 young children.

 

Leimonis

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Israel did call Defense for Children International 'terrorists'.
And of course you're part of the crowd that calls all Palestinians 'terrorists'.
CM calls Amnesty 'terrorist supporters'.

That's what you mean, isn't it?

Or do you mean terrorists like these ones?

Doctors without Borders, they're terrorists as well, right?
Same with medics and ambulance drivers?

Hamas propaganda
 

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At London University’s School of Economics last month, Max Blumenthal was caught on tape praising the terror group Hamas, saying its armed faction, the al-Qassam Brigades, sent an “incredible” message with its attack on Israeli troops at the Nahal Oz military base.



pro palestinian types like to quote terror defenders and apologists
 
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Klatuu

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Oh yeah…they want Gaza for biblical fulfillment.

“Another thing we are making clear these days, something more important than anything else: this land is ours. All of it. Including Gaza. Including Lebanon. The entire Promised Land. We’re going to come back big time,” Friedman declared, referencing lands promised to the Jewish people in the Old Testament, but which are not part of the State of Israel.

 

Leimonis

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Oh yeah…they want Gaza for biblical fulfillment.

“Another thing we are making clear these days, something more important than anything else: this land is ours. All of it. Including Gaza. Including Lebanon. The entire Promised Land. We’re going to come back big time,” Friedman declared, referencing lands promised to the Jewish people in the Old Testament, but which are not part of the State of Israel.

Who are they? Random idiots? Do “they” take hostages?
 
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