Israel at war

Frankfooter

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“Whoever is poorer and brownier is right and whoever is whiter and richer are wrong”
No, whoever backs genocide and apartheid is wrong.


 

mandrill

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You already admitted that all your accusations are bullshit.
Now you're just trolling because you have no answer to accusations you are defending terrorism.


Frankie, the whole 7 October atrocity was set up to achieve exactly what you are displaying. HAMAS ensured that it got a maximum force response from Israel and also ensured that this response entailed the maximum collateral damage to Gaza and its inhabitants.

Why did it set this up?

To display endless photos of destroyed houses, hospitals, schools and dead kids to people like you. It's a PR contest. It's deliberate.
 

mandrill

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I don't think anyone is saying, dont do anything about it. Hamas needs to be neutralized. But the method that Israel is using is where the criticism is, because it is akin to burning the haystack to find the needle.
But if THAT'S the only way to find the needle, that's what has to be done.
 

mandrill

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A reminder that most of those Israel are killing are already refugees who were ethnically cleansed from their homes in Palestine.

The fact that they are "refugees" 60 years after their grandparents were evicted from their residences in what is now Israel, means that they are not legitimate refugees. They are people whose parents and grandparents were not resettled elsewhere in the Arab world and given opportunities by those other Arab countries because they were - and are - exploited as human pathos trophies.

I have a buddy whose grandparents fled Stalin from Latvia in 1955. My buddy is a successful real estate agent. By what stretch of the imagination can people whose ancestors fled a country a half century ago be called "refugees".

I sympathize with the Gazans. They are trapped. But the people who trap them are the other Arab states and the corrupt HAMAS hierarchy who are billionaires and live outside the Gaza enclave.
 

mandrill

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Are you saying Israelis are programmed robots that cannot make a choice?

The choice to respond the way they are, is solely theirs.

Whether or not Hamas intended for a human rights crisis to bring the world's attention to Gaza, Israel is the one causing the humanitarian crisis and "They started it!" is not an appropriate argument. That is endorsing war crimes.
Since they are unable to find the needle, it is clearly not. This is about punishing the Palestinians. It has nothing to do with getting hostages out or eradicating Hamas.
Any and all countries are going to defend themselves from terrorist attacks. And that means going in and finding and killing the terrorists. If the terrorists deliberately surround themselves with a human shield and hole up in an urban environment that causes deliberate and inevitable collateral casualties to housing, infrastructure and civilians.

Israel isn't doing this. It's HAMAS.
 

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So much for war crimes. Hamas is firing on IDF from inside hospitals and using them for cover. There are tunnels directly under them used for military purposes.

Add on hundreds of Hamas rockets misfiring and ending up short, destroying civilian infrastructure and killing their own people in Gaza.
 

Conil

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They should've shot those trying to break in and pay for the clean up

Muslim rioters screaming ‘Allahu akbar’ and ‘Free Palestine’ try to break down the gate and storm the White House

A White House fence was vandalized Saturday night with red paint as pro-Palestinian protesters shook the gate to one entrance to the executive mansion as some chanted "F--k Joe Biden," the New York Post reported. Later in the evening, protesters were seen attempting to climb up the White House's wrought-iron gates.


 

mandrill

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You are right about the refugees. You cannot be a 3rd generation refugee.

However, the people who trap the Gazans are the Israelis. They are the ones who control land, air and sea, and practice apartheid.



Defending is the act of responding to an active attack and fighting back. Israel right now is not defending. Their defence ended on October 7, when they killed all the militants who attacked. Right now they are meting out collective punishment and committing racist mass murder and war crimes.

It is extremely racist, to support a racist/apartheid state's collective punishments and war crimes, by shifting blame for their choices to Hamas. "Aw shucks! they were in the way" - is not an argument or a justification.

You want to attack Hamas? Are civilians in the way? Then DONT attack. DONT commit war crimes. Do it a different way. 🤷‍♂️

On an unrelated note, why do Jews always have problems with people and why is their history so full of bloodshed? Don't accuse me of being antisemitic, I have nothing against Jews, but if people historically did not like you in just about every place you have ever existed, then perhaps, it is not always about blind Nazi hatred. Nazis did not exist for 1000s of years anyway. Perhaps it is their racism, cliquiness and general culture of considering themselves better than others because they are the "chosen people" and their tendency to separate themselves from others, that alienates them to others. Just saying.
No they're not.

Let's do a parallel, shall we? In 1940, Britain repelled a German attempt to invade it by defeating the German attempt to obtain air supremacy. So Germany backed off and attacked Russia instead.

So everything Canada, the USA and the UK did to attack Germany after 1940 was a war crime......

That's your argument, right?

Hitler should have stayed in power and Churchill and Rooseveldt were war criminals?
 
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Leimonis

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It is not about the hostages because Israeli strikes has killed 60 of them. Israel does not care about the hostages.

Their priority is to collectively punish the Palestinians, because that is just how racist they are. That also happens to be a war crime.
Why are they not flooding the tunnels then?
 

Leimonis

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They probably don't even know where the tunnels are. The goal is to punish Palestinians, create pressure for them to leave and steal land. They know regardless of what they flood, they won't be able to eradicate a terrorist group.
Yeah right like anyone in the world wants Gaza land.
Just ask your friends to return hostages if you want a ceasefire
 

Leimonis

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The fact that they are "refugees" 60 years after their grandparents were evicted from their residences in what is now Israel, means that they are not legitimate refugees. They are people whose parents and grandparents were not resettled elsewhere in the Arab world and given opportunities by those other Arab countries because they were - and are - exploited as human pathos trophies.

I have a buddy whose grandparents fled Stalin from Latvia in 1955. My buddy is a successful real estate agent. By what stretch of the imagination can people whose ancestors fled a country a half century ago be called "refugees".

I sympathize with the Gazans. They are trapped. But the people who trap them are the other Arab states and the corrupt HAMAS hierarchy who are billionaires and live outside the Gaza enclave.
Also if they are legitimate refugees isn’t it supposed to make it easier for them to move south where it’s safer? They don’t have houses and farms and property to worry about. Just get up and go, no?
 
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Leimonis

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The Israelis seem to want it. After all isn't their claim that they are the chosen people and the land is ALL theirs? To be fair, the Palestinians say the same too, which is why this conflict is unresolvable.
Israel left Gaza in 2006.
Gaza is as wanted as leper colony
 
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mandrill

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The Israelis seem to want it. After all isn't their claim that they are the chosen people and the land is ALL theirs? To be fair, the Palestinians say the same too, which is why this conflict is unresolvable.
I think the Israelis just want to be safe from HAMAS. They don't really want Gaza.
 
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