Will Israelis or Palestinians Win the PR War?

[Dutch Oven]

No it wasn't. Looks like the Dutch Oven is overheated now.

Here's just a sampling of the history of how long there's been rubble in Gaza:

IDF strikes deep in Gaza after troops come under fire, amid talk of 4th Gaza war

Netanyahu arrives at defense headquarters amid fresh airstrikes on Gaza targets following sniper fire at IDF soldiers; 4 Hamas fighters dead; Minister: 'The gloves are coming off'

www.timesofisrael.com

Rubble and carnage (including the killing of Gazans by Hamas directly) is a way of life in that s*hole. When you say there weren't bodies under the rubble - do you count Gazans killed by Hamas in the tunnels?

 

[toguy5252]

There's been perpetual wars, yes. But rebuilt every time. This particular war clearly shows the extent of Israeli brutality, which people won't and aren't missing.

Gaza before and after: Satellite images show destruction

Israeli aerial strikes on the Palestinian territory have reduced parts of the north to rubble.

www.bbc.com

Brutality? It shows the resolve and determination to route out Hamas and insure that the brutality of the Hamas attack is not repeated.

 

[Dutch Oven]

There's been perpetual wars, yes. But rebuilt every time. This particular war clearly shows the extent of Israeli brutality, which people won't and aren't missing.

Gaza before and after: Satellite images show destruction

Israeli aerial strikes on the Palestinian territory have reduced parts of the north to rubble.

www.bbc.com

The mistake Israel may have made in the past is that they didn't create enough rubble. Looks like they are determined not to make that mistake this time.

 

[richaceg]

The PR war will be won by Russia....You can tell by how despite them being the aggressor vs. Ukraine, somehow they came out unscathed and still getting public support in Russia....we all know, behind Hamas is Iran and I wouldn't be surprised if behind Iran we gat Vlad... the shape of Middle East is about to change dramatically.... I don't know what Egypt & Syria have in mind, Turkey well...Turkey seem to dislike all their neighbors....

 

[richaceg]

Sure, but it wasn't rubble with dead mutilated bodies underneath it.

The citizens of Gaza let this happen to their place...They had close to 20 years of opportunity to build something that would benefit their citizens....an almost bottomless monetary support...build power plant, desalination systems for their water. It's so doable. But majority of them wanted the head of Jews (it's quite obvious how the celebrate the deaths). They invited extremist Hamas because the promise is, it's the only solution to the "jewish problem" (oh that sound so familiar)...they would sacrifice hundreds of bodies maybe thousands or maybe hundreds of thousands or whatever it takes to eventually rid of the Jews....that was the Hamas way...

 

[Butler1000]

The PR war will be won by Russia....You can tell by how despite them being the aggressor vs. Ukraine, somehow they came out unscathed and still getting public support in Russia....we all know, behind Hamas is Iran and I wouldn't be surprised if behind Iran we gat Vlad... the shape of Middle East is about to change dramatically.... I don't know what Egypt & Syria have in mind, Turkey well...Turkey seem to dislike all their neighbors....

Egypt has a treaty, and doesn't like or want the Palis either. They prefer billions in USA aid. Syria has an ongoing civil war in the north, and the Druze in the south aren't interested in fighting Israel.

Lots of smaller groups running around, some attached to Hezbollah, but not a big factor.

 

[shack]

I am getting tired of this cunt.

How about this guy?




Moshe Dayan - Wikipedia

Are there any Palestinian/Hamas war heroes?

Why would Hamas leaders be hanging around a refugee camp? Where is the destroyed tunnel?

Because it is a Hamas stronghold and strategy centre. They built a system of tunnels after the camp was already in existence thinking they could cowardly hide out there. The fact that after the bombing, the ground and tunnels all collapsed in (which was plain to see) proves their existence as well as further proof of Hamas using the largest refugee camp as one big human shield.

As such, a better question might be why would Hamas build such an intricate system of tunnels under a refugee camp, especially since they've stated that the tunnels are for Hamas, not civilians.

 

[toguy5252]

There is no strategy. I mean how long does it take to root out Hamas that is ill equipped compared to the IDF? They bombed a refugee camp yesterday to kill like 1 Hamas guy. It is carpet bombing. Aka brutality. I very much doubt that Israel will get rid of Hamas now that they haven't been able to do anything in 4 weeks.

Maybe the idf should have hired you to find all those tunnels . How hard could it be.

 

[nottyboi]

Was that just now?

about 24-36 hours ago. Being supressed but the the surviving hostages were needless to say outraged. Not sure if it was a rescue attempt or just an attack. Apparently Israeli govt has a policy of killing everyone vs trying rescues.

 

[nottyboi]

What the fuck? Scottish IDF spokesman?

Sounds like Wolf ain't buying it anymore.

Fuck them scumbag assholes. Israel deserves to be smote.

 

[nottyboi]

Hamas is in Gaza though, not the West Bank, which is where the settlers grab land.

Settlers are grabbing land in the West Bank as well have you not heard?

 

[nottyboi]

Brutality? It shows the resolve and determination to route out Hamas and insure that the brutality of the Hamas attack is not repeated.

When the FUCK in history has that ever worked. The Nazis used to do that, how did it end for them?

 

[nottyboi]

There is no strategy. I mean how long does it take to root out Hamas that is ill equipped compared to the IDF? They bombed a refugee camp yesterday to kill like 1 Hamas guy. It is carpet bombing. Aka brutality. I very much doubt that Israel will get rid of Hamas now that they haven't been able to do anything in 4 weeks.

Dude that is a myth, fact is, Isreali troops are softie reserveists while HAMAS have been training for years (nothing else to do is there?) and Hamas are not remotely afraid of death. The Israeli Bat Mizvah boys are definitley afraid of death. And if they go into Gaza they with die in large numbers. Any Israeli troops tha get captured should put a bullet into their head 'cos they will be treated with horrific brutaiilty. Hamas is egging Israel on.

 

[Leimonis]

Also the Jews want the same thing - for the Palestinians to disappear. They are not very different in that way.

that’s not true

 

[richaceg]

They cannot build all that. Israel controls what goes in and out of the place. Yes, they should not have voted Hamas in, but in severely oppressed places, people choose people who purport to fight for them. Its a vicious cycle and you cannot apply the logic you apply to free people, to oppressed ones. Also the Jews want the same thing - for the Palestinians to disappear. They are not very different in that way.

It is very doable... how can a country like Philippines able to build power sources in every island (they have 1100 little islands)...mind you they are also a 3rd world developing country....don't have as much funding as Gaza gets...the key IMO is focus...is it too far down the line? Definitely. If the Palestinians chose to detach from hamas then we can say there is hope....if not...the suffering will go on.

 

[DinkleMouse]

The Palestinians can't win it.

If Israel decides it can't win it, then there's a good chance it stops trying. And then things will REALLY get ugly for the Palestinians.

So they can't afford to win it. And they can't afford for Hamas to win it either.

 

[Robert Mugabe]

How about this guy?


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Moshe Dayan - Wikipedia

Are there any Palestinian/Hamas war heroes?



Because it is a Hamas stronghold and strategy centre. They built a system of tunnels after the camp was already in existence thinking they could cowardly hide out there. The fact that after the bombing, the ground and tunnels all collapsed in (which was plain to see) proves their existence as well as further proof of Hamas using the largest refugee camp as one big human shield.

As such, a better question might be why would Hamas build such an intricate system of tunnels under a refugee camp, especially since they've stated that the tunnels are for Hamas, not civilians.

Moshe Dyan didn't get his picture on the cover of Time Magazine by pulling PR stunts like this.
So where's the tunnel? I don't see a tunnel. Any more than I see dead Hamas leaders. I guess you have to take it on faith. Or with a grain of salt. Or call bullshit on it.
Frankly, considering the shit show the IDF has made of the being caught with their pants down for 9 hours during a border breach and the indiscriminate retaliation which is more like a sadistic temper tantrum war crime than any idea of an organized military response, I am calling bullshit because of the lack of any proof that they are doing anything else than murdering civilians.
I know the story behind Hamas living amongst civilians. But This picture doesn't prove shit. Anymore than claiming they took out a specific number of Hamas chiefs and henchmen. All I see is a crater with civilians digging out .
So I guess we will just have to take their word for it.
All I see is a massive intelligence failure by Israel followed by mass murder in response.

 

[basketcase]

Obviously Palestinians will win in PR because first, they happily use pictures of the dead to incite hatred and second, Israel won't let them butcher a thousand more Israeli civilians in the next while.

They even butchered people they knew were Palestinian in their murderous rampage.

Newly released footage shows Palestinian driver in Hamas hands before Oct. 7 slaying

Suhaib Razeem, 22, was caught and questioned by Hamas terrorists at the Nova festival. Some called to let him go, but he was found dead 12 days later

www.timesofisrael.com

 

[basketcase]

How is it doable? How is Phillipines and Palestine the same? Israel controls, land, air and sea. Nothing can go in. Israel does not allow building materials like cement to go in. So how will they build anything? Not possible. Israel's goal is to ultimately pressure those people so much that they leave and Israel gets to take over the land. That is their end goal. But the Palestinians won't leave. Which is why this conflict is never ending.

You do realize that PA controlled West Bank has a stable economy right? It is only Hamas controlled Gaza that has limits. Also worth mentioning is the way Hamas used over $1B US of construction materials on their underground network instead of trying to help their people.

And sorry but except for the extremists, Israelis don't want to control Palestinian people and polling says far more people oppose annexation of the West Bank than support it.

 

[basketcase]

Very much so. Watch the Ask Project videos and several of them will tell you that. Its pretty much Israeli state policy - or atleast Bibi's.

And I'm sure you think Rick Mercer's "talking to Americans" proves how stupid Americans are.