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Frankfooter

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Interesting. You think an attack explicitly targeting civilians is comparable to border controls meant to prevent those kind of attacks. But yes, you've made it very clear that you wish hamas had better military capabilities.
It wasn't an attack to 'explicitly' target civilians. That's disinformation.

I would prefer Israel and Hamas to be disarmed, the blue hats come in and apartheid ended.
But that won't happen so it'll have to be sanctions and divestment to force Israeli change, the same as happened for apartheid South Africa.

The same thing I've been saying here for years as you've backed more and more settler colonialism and violence.
 
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Frankfooter

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So I can now say that you have admitted that the Oct. 7 attack by Hamas was an act of terrorism against Israeli civilians.
And now I can say that you've admitted that Israeli responses to that attack are also acts of terrorism against Palestinian civilians. Now that we've both agreed that the definition is the targeting of civilians and the evidence is very clear that Israel is targeting civilians.

The difference here is that I'm willing to support both sides being charged for war crimes equally.
Both sides should be taken to the Hague.

Which leaves you as the supporter of terrorism.


 

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And now I can say that you've admitted that Israeli responses to that attack are also acts of terrorism against Palestinian civilians.
Israel has not targetted civilians. They are targetting Hamas. Hamas is using the civilians as shields. Big difference.
 
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shack

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No, there is no evidence to back up such a claim.
They have publicly stated that that is their goal.

In fact the only side that has been found to use human shields is Israel.
All that proves is that Israel has the morality to convict any rogue who does not live up to the standards established by Western society and Israeli law as opposed to Hamas which makes it state wartime policy to use human shields at every turn, such as in hospitals or apartment buildings. Hamas does this in every conflict.
 
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Frankfooter

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They have publicly stated that that is their goal
Oh, here we go again. You'll post from the 1988 charter, I'll post the 2007 one and maybe their quotes from CBC at the start and then we'll do it all again in a couple of days. One note samba.

All that proves is that Israel has the morality to convict any rogue who does not live up to the standards established by Western society and Israeli law as opposed to Hamas which makes it state wartime policy to use human shields at every turn, such as in hospitals or apartment buildings. Hamas does this in every conflict.
No, it only proves that the only side ever caught using human shields were Israeli.
There is no evidence of Hamas doing so.
 

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Roger has not had a good song in 30 years. He just tours relentlessly in order to create more wealth. Hardly the self described Socialist.
 

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The UN, Amnesty, HRW, B'tselem and others have investigated and reported that Israel is apartheid.
Do you support apartheid or are you against racism?
This is what supporters so conveniently ignore. Everyone is so afraid of being labelled anti-Semitic they accept everything the Israel states does without criticism. That is quite a trick to pull. What other state enjoys such a privilege? The ANC can’t successfully say a criticism of our disaster of a government is racist. Russia cannot successfully argue that criticism of Russia is anti Slavic prejudice. The curiosity of it all is that there are lots of criticisms of the Israeli state as apartheid within Israel and voiced by Jews themselves.
 
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shack

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No, it only proves that the only side ever caught using human shields were Israeli.
There is no evidence of Hamas doing so.
Hamas is doing it right now and thousands have died because of this tactic. But they will never prosecute their own. Israel had the morality to do so.
 
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Frankfooter

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Hamas is doing it right now and thousands have died because of this tactic. But they will never prosecute their own. Israel had the morality to do so.
No, shack. That's not happening.
That's Israel trying to justify genocide by saying Hamas is everywhere so they have to kill everyone.

What this says is about your morality.
You don't think Palestinians are humans who deserve decent lives.
You think they need to be exterminated with Hamas, don't you?
 

shack

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No, shack. That's not happening.
Every legit western news agency reports that it's happening. Suddenly you don't trust the same CNN of whose coverage of trump you've trusted.
That's Israel trying to justify genocide by saying Hamas is everywhere so they have to kill everyone.
If Hamas is hiding everywhere that civilians are, like cowards, then go talk to Hamas about "genocide".

What this says is about your morality.
It's true. I do have morals. You, however have none. You are amoral. You prove it here everyday when you debate with lies, intentional misrepresentations, obfuscating and posting phony propaganda.
You don't think Palestinians are humans who deserve decent lives.
Intentional misrepresentation.
You think they need to be exterminated with Hamas, don't you?
Intentional misrepresentation.
 

Frankfooter

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Every legit western news agency reports that it's happening. Suddenly you don't trust the same CNN of whose coverage of trump you've trusted.
If Hamas is hiding everywhere that civilians are, like cowards, then go talk to Hamas about "genocide".

It's true. I do have morals. You, however have none. You are amoral. You prove it here everyday when you debate with lies, intentional misrepresentations, obfuscating and posting phony propaganda.
Intentional misrepresentation.
Intentional misrepresentation.
I have morals, I am against the Islamaphobia you push along with apartheid and genocide.
I support equal rights and the application of the law.
I support peace.

You don't support any of those. You back genocide and racial supremacy.

 

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No, shack. That's not happening.
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Right. You believe that all the reports of Hamas stopping people from leaving and the videos showing rocket launches from civilian areas are just Jewish propaganda. And of course you have no comment on Hamas holding press conferences in the basement of a hospital during the last big war.
 

basketcase

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I have morals, I am against the Islamaphobia you push...
What a laugh. Neither Shack nor I are pushing anything anti-Muslim. You just have a desperate need to pretend any criticism of Hamas or PIJ are racist. At the same time, you are expressly calling all Israelis terrorists while continuing to justify attacks on Jewish civilians.

You do know about racism though.
 

Frankfooter

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What a laugh. Neither Shack nor I are pushing anything anti-Muslim. You just have a desperate need to pretend any criticism of Hamas or PIJ are racist. At the same time, you are expressly calling all Israelis terrorists while continuing to justify attacks on Jewish civilians.

You do know about racism though.
You push apartheid and genocide, you can't actually get any more racist than that.
Seriously, genocide is recognized as the most evil fucking form or racism on this planet.
And you think you aren't racist?

Wow.

Just wow.

 
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