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Big John

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Update: During our mng she said she wanted to go slow(men just want to meet and fuck). Yup. LOL. So, I texted her to set up a lunch date with visit to a local art gallery. She messaged back ' So you want a date now?' No ppm discussion. Apparently she was ready to go to a hotel on the 2nd date. Caveat: I've been outta the game a long time and missed singles at the meet n greet. I knew there was a connection but didn't think she was ready that quickly.

Yesterday went great as well, I gave her some flowers and we made out in my car for a bit. We are planning next week's date to end at a hotel, so I have time to plan! Here's the kicker she hasn't asked for any ppm even though I brought it up. She likes spending time with me. She seems genuine. Am I going to get blindsided by a big PPM next week ? I'd really feel guilty if I didn't get her something or give her cash. She is a struggling 20 something and I'm 50+. She works her ass off and goes to school and has a kid. I will give her something even if she doesn't want it.

Are there any red flags I'm missing ??
Congrats man, you have found a connection and a real arrangement in the making. Lots of 'green flags' in your update.

It's ok you missed the signals, you were just being careful and not getting your hopes up. I remember being just as surprised when planning a second date having her ask 'Don't you want to fuck me?'.

Your best bet now that you are connected with her and past the meet and greet, building on a bit of what shack shared in his experience above as well, is focus on the fun with her and just be ready with your long term budget. PPM only discussions can feel so transactional and a SB may ask for the highest amount she can get thinking you only want to fuck her once and ghost her.

I've had better luck knowing what my monthly budget would be and you can do the same. Don't fall for giving the whole monthly amount right away - that can put weird pressure on even a great connection. Say you decide $2,000 is your monthly budget, and you feel comfortable sharing that with her, you're showing you are interested in the long term possibility of this working out. Then you discuss how many times a month you two will get together, say once a week, then a $500ppm would work each time you get together and get your freak on. :cool:

If your monthly budget is less or your availability is less because of the wife at home then what the SB wants - talk it out with her and unless you're being super cheap or she is looking for a really high monthly amount you didn't see coming, it will work itself out.

Good luck and thanks for sharing your experience here.
 
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She messaged back ' So you want a date now?' No ppm discussion. Apparently she was ready to go to a hotel on the 2nd date. Caveat: I've been outta the game a long time and missed singles at the meet n greet. I knew there was a connection but didn't think she was ready that quickly.

Are there any red flags I'm missing ??
Maybe she got dumped or she dump the other guy, hence the change in attitude.

Red flags?, maybe she is just looking for FWB or NSA and she is using SA as way not to get caught or avoid family searching her on dating apps.
Some women are born nymphs so she is trying to compensate with one partner.
Paying her? wait till she brings it up. She probably sees that you pay for hotel and there is no reason to ask for some. Until she gets bored with you have fun. Don't get caught.
 

Fornication

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Just an update with my experience. She is 26 hot gorgeous nursing student, I am a 50+ OG married forever! The costs were: 3 lunches $220 + day hotel $140 + Gifts $120(No cash requested) = $480. Over that period we spent about 7 hours together. She was horny, so the sex was fantastic(sloppy bj, multiple positions, 69, daty, all of it!) without a condom(I'm snipped) and she considered me 'clean'(I know, I KNOW...stupid, Stupid, STUPID!!) It was fun, BUT...the time management and risk of getting caught was nerve racking and exciting(more nerve racking!) As a result, although it was fantastic, I will not dip into the sugar bowl again. She is not dramatic at all, but my time away from my SO had to be so calculated and although the fact a much younger woman wanted to have sex with me(satisfying my curiosity and ego), overall it just isn't worth the risk. I think this exercise served its purpose(Could I find a literal stranger girl, somehow convince her to have sex, for a nominal fee) I did that. It was great. Didn't feel right or possible going forward. I have business travel plans and will meet her briefly to let her know and give her some $$ to show appreciation because I'm a kind hearted sucker. Fuck, I hope she didn't really fall for me..lol

Escorts are easier and better for time management with about an hour total which can easily be done.

I wanted to share, as the thrill and ego boost were great but offset by the risks of getting caught and ruining my relationship etc...with my SO. I proved it can be done affordably with persistence! Maybe others on this journey will find this somewhat useful or think, what a stupid idiot...lol

Carry on..
 

Leimonis

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Just an update with my experience. She is 26 hot gorgeous nursing student, I am a 50+ OG married forever! The costs were: 3 lunches $220 + day hotel $140 + Gifts $120(No cash requested) = $480. Over that period we spent about 7 hours together. She was horny, so the sex was fantastic(sloppy bj, multiple positions, 69, daty, all of it!) without a condom(I'm snipped) and she considered me 'clean'(I know, I KNOW...stupid, Stupid, STUPID!!) It was fun, BUT...the time management and risk of getting caught was nerve racking and exciting(more nerve racking!) As a result, although it was fantastic, I will not dip into the sugar bowl again. She is not dramatic at all, but my time away from my SO had to be so calculated and although the fact a much younger woman wanted to have sex with me(satisfying my curiosity and ego), overall it just isn't worth the risk. I think this exercise served its purpose(Could I find a literal stranger girl, somehow convince her to have sex, for a nominal fee) I did that. It was great. Didn't feel right or possible going forward. I have business travel plans and will meet her briefly to let her know and give her some $$ to show appreciation because I'm a kind hearted sucker. Fuck, I hope she didn't really fall for me..lol

Escorts are easier and better for time management with about an hour total which can easily be done.

I wanted to share, as the thrill and ego boost were great but offset by the risks of getting caught and ruining my relationship etc...with my SO. I proved it can be done affordably with persistence! Maybe others on this journey will find this somewhat useful or think, what a stupid idiot...lol

Carry on..
This sounds like a message from 2013!
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shack

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Just an update with my experience. She is 26 hot gorgeous nursing student, I am a 50+ OG married forever! The costs were: 3 lunches $220 + day hotel $140 + Gifts $120(No cash requested) = $480. Over that period we spent about 7 hours together. She was horny, so the sex was fantastic(sloppy bj, multiple positions, 69, daty, all of it!) without a condom(I'm snipped) and she considered me 'clean'(I know, I KNOW...stupid, Stupid, STUPID!!) It was fun, BUT...the time management and risk of getting caught was nerve racking and exciting(more nerve racking!) As a result, although it was fantastic, I will not dip into the sugar bowl again. She is not dramatic at all, but my time away from my SO had to be so calculated and although the fact a much younger woman wanted to have sex with me(satisfying my curiosity and ego), overall it just isn't worth the risk. I think this exercise served its purpose(Could I find a literal stranger girl, somehow convince her to have sex, for a nominal fee) I did that. It was great. Didn't feel right or possible going forward. I have business travel plans and will meet her briefly to let her know and give her some $$ to show appreciation because I'm a kind hearted sucker. Fuck, I hope she didn't really fall for me..lol

Escorts are easier and better for time management with about an hour total which can easily be done.

I wanted to share, as the thrill and ego boost were great but offset by the risks of getting caught and ruining my relationship etc...with my SO. I proved it can be done affordably with persistence! Maybe others on this journey will find this somewhat useful or think, what a stupid idiot...lol

Carry on..
Guaranteed that you will relive this experience in your mind many, many times. Congrats.

Only you can decide how much risk you are comfortable with.
 

Big John

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Just an update with my experience. She is 26 hot gorgeous nursing student, I am a 50+ OG married forever! The costs were: 3 lunches $220 + day hotel $140 + Gifts $120(No cash requested) = $480. Over that period we spent about 7 hours together. She was horny, so the sex was fantastic(sloppy bj, multiple positions, 69, daty, all of it!) without a condom(I'm snipped) and she considered me 'clean'(I know, I KNOW...stupid, Stupid, STUPID!!) It was fun, BUT...the time management and risk of getting caught was nerve racking and exciting(more nerve racking!) As a result, although it was fantastic, I will not dip into the sugar bowl again. She is not dramatic at all, but my time away from my SO had to be so calculated and although the fact a much younger woman wanted to have sex with me(satisfying my curiosity and ego), overall it just isn't worth the risk. I think this exercise served its purpose(Could I find a literal stranger girl, somehow convince her to have sex, for a nominal fee) I did that. It was great. Didn't feel right or possible going forward. I have business travel plans and will meet her briefly to let her know and give her some $$ to show appreciation because I'm a kind hearted sucker. Fuck, I hope she didn't really fall for me..lol

Escorts are easier and better for time management with about an hour total which can easily be done.

I wanted to share, as the thrill and ego boost were great but offset by the risks of getting caught and ruining my relationship etc...with my SO. I proved it can be done affordably with persistence! Maybe others on this journey will find this somewhat useful or think, what a stupid idiot...lol

Carry on..
Now imagine a single version of yourself met this young beautiful lady...and you can understand those of us that are single who have shared positive experiences here and laugh at the haters who claim it's impossible and we are making our experiences up.

...and the married ones who are able to get away enough to match what we single gentlemen enjoy.
 

Bobbblitz004

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Just an update with my experience. She is 26 hot gorgeous nursing student, I am a 50+ OG married forever! The costs were: 3 lunches $220 + day hotel $140 + Gifts $120(No cash requested) = $480. Over that period we spent about 7 hours together. She was horny, so the sex was fantastic(sloppy bj, multiple positions, 69, daty, all of it!) without a condom(I'm snipped) and she considered me 'clean'(I know, I KNOW...stupid, Stupid, STUPID!!) It was fun, BUT...the time management and risk of getting caught was nerve racking and exciting(more nerve racking!) As a result, although it was fantastic, I will not dip into the sugar bowl again. She is not dramatic at all, but my time away from my SO had to be so calculated and although the fact a much younger woman wanted to have sex with me(satisfying my curiosity and ego), overall it just isn't worth the risk. I think this exercise served its purpose(Could I find a literal stranger girl, somehow convince her to have sex, for a nominal fee) I did that. It was great. Didn't feel right or possible going forward. I have business travel plans and will meet her briefly to let her know and give her some $$ to show appreciation because I'm a kind hearted sucker. Fuck, I hope she didn't really fall for me..lol

Escorts are easier and better for time management with about an hour total which can easily be done.

I wanted to share, as the thrill and ego boost were great but offset by the risks of getting caught and ruining my relationship etc...with my SO. I proved it can be done affordably with persistence! Maybe others on this journey will find this somewhat useful or think, what a stupid idiot...lol

Carry on..
Send her my way brother!
 
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Fornication

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Now imagine a single version of yourself met this young beautiful lady...and you can understand those of us that are single who have shared positive experiences here and laugh at the haters who claim it's impossible and we are making our experiences up.

...and the married ones who are able to get away enough to match what we single gentlemen enjoy.
Yes, it was awesome! I get the thrill of the hunt !! Just feel the clock is always ticking when with her and I’m kinda of looking over my shoulder.

Also, another thing single guys have is more intuition. As we were leaving the first date, she kept asking me ‘let me drive me to you car’(as we were in different lots), I said no, no it’s ok, I’m 2 min walk(also wanted to protect my identity). She told me she wanted to do untoward things in her car with me after date one!…my antenna is broken obviously 🙄😂😂
 
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Sad. I have a 28 yo slim Latina who has to leave Canada. She was here on a visitor visa
Would not be able too see again
Tight pussy No tats. Drama free and available given few days notice and usually spend 3-8 hours with me. Dinners, walks, showers together, more passionate sex than I experienced
Cost was 300 per visit + occasional dinner + occasional gift.
One time I had to cancel a date cause of bad cold and she responds by saying she can come over and try to nurse me to health. What a companion!
Definitely feels more GF experience than any session with an escort
 

Fornication

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Sad. I have a 28 yo slim Latina who has to leave Canada. She was here on a visitor visa
Would not be able too see again
Tight pussy No tats. Drama free and available given few days notice and usually spend 3-8 hours with me. Dinners, walks, showers together, more passionate sex than I experienced
Cost was 300 per visit + occasional dinner + occasional gift.
One time I had to cancel a date cause of bad cold and she responds by saying she can come over and try to nurse me to health. What a companion!
Definitely feels more GF experience than any session with an escort
That really sucks bro. The emotional connection is very real. It is impossible to remain impartial in these relationships. Good luck finding a new companion
 
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Bobbybacala

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IKR?! I saw a 22 year old as well and would give her 200 each time we met up. Blonde, super hot (I mean beyond hot), 5'10. I'm sure wherever she goes if she walks in a room literally every guy's jaw drops to the floor. Toned perfect body. Long legs, hips with amazing thigh gap and DD breasts that hang perfectly like tear drops. And I swear the tightest kitty ever. Unfortunately she for sure had issues but I'll always remember sliding into her from behind and she turned her head and say F me baby. So damn hot.
What website do I find these
 

Bobbybacala

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IKR?! I saw a 22 year old as well and would give her 200 each time we met up. Blonde, super hot (I mean beyond hot), 5'10. I'm sure wherever she goes if she walks in a room literally every guy's jaw drops to the floor. Toned perfect body. Long legs, hips with amazing thigh gap and DD breasts that hang perfectly like tear drops. And I swear the tightest kitty ever. Unfortunately she for sure had issues but I'll always remember sliding into her from behind and she turned her head and say F me baby. So damn hot.
Send her my way lol
 

Robert Mugabe

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Sad. I have a 28 yo slim Latina who has to leave Canada. She was here on a visitor visa
Would not be able too see again
Tight pussy No tats. Drama free and available given few days notice and usually spend 3-8 hours with me. Dinners, walks, showers together, more passionate sex than I experienced
Cost was 300 per visit + occasional dinner + occasional gift.
One time I had to cancel a date cause of bad cold and she responds by saying she can come over and try to nurse me to health. What a companion!
Definitely feels more GF experience than any session with an escort
So marry her!
 

Hipjdog

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From my limited experience with the SD scene, here's what I look for:

  • Girls who live locally.
  • Girls who have been on the site for a few weeks or months, NOT one day or three years.
  • Girls who have multiple pictures on their profile, ideally with Toronto landmarks.
  • Girls who can write in complete sentences and mention non-sexual interests.
  • Girls who get back to you within 24 hours.
  • Girls who ask you actual questions about yourself and are concerned about their own safety.
  • Girls who don't use language about being 'spoiled'.
  • Girls who mention what THEY will be bringing to the arrangement, not just what they want.
  • Girls who are willing to meet up within the next few days.
 

Leimonis

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From my limited experience with the SD scene, here's what I look for:

  • Girls who live locally.
  • Girls who have been on the site for a few weeks or months, NOT one day or three years.
  • Girls who have multiple pictures on their profile, ideally with Toronto landmarks.
  • Girls who can write in complete sentences and mention non-sexual interests.
  • Girls who get back to you within 24 hours.
  • Girls who ask you actual questions about yourself and are concerned about their own safety.
  • Girls who don't use language about being 'spoiled'.
  • Girls who mention what THEY will be bringing to the arrangement, not just what they want.
  • Girls who are willing to meet up within the next few days.
I largely agree with the above but at the same time imho all of those are shots in the dark.
For example, one of my red flags is when a girl responds to you but you can see that she hasn’t bothered to look at your profile. And yet one girl who turned out to be one of my best SBs of all times totally never looked and when I asked her (after I fucked her) she said something to the effect: why look when everyone just lies there.
to me it’s incredibly dumb but to them it somehow makes sense 🤷‍♂️
 

FunInToronto2023

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From my limited experience with the SD scene, here's what I look for:

  • Girls who live locally.
  • Girls who have been on the site for a few weeks or months, NOT one day or three years.
  • Girls who have multiple pictures on their profile, ideally with Toronto landmarks.
  • Girls who can write in complete sentences and mention non-sexual interests.
  • Girls who get back to you within 24 hours.
  • Girls who ask you actual questions about yourself and are concerned about their own safety.
  • Girls who don't use language about being 'spoiled'.
  • Girls who mention what THEY will be bringing to the arrangement, not just what they want.
  • Girls who are willing to meet up within the next few days.
Excellent list! Also add to the multiple pictures point that if you see a profile with only 1 photo, it's usually a red flag
 
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Fornication

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From my limited experience with the SD scene, here's what I look for:

  • Girls who live locally.
  • Girls who have been on the site for a few weeks or months, NOT one day or three years.
  • Girls who have multiple pictures on their profile, ideally with Toronto landmarks.
  • Girls who can write in complete sentences and mention non-sexual interests.
  • Girls who get back to you within 24 hours.
  • Girls who ask you actual questions about yourself and are concerned about their own safety.
  • Girls who don't use language about being 'spoiled'.
  • Girls who mention what THEY will be bringing to the arrangement, not just what they want.
  • Girls who are willing to meet up within the next few days.
How do you see how long they have been on the site ? I’m not using SA yet…
 

Leimonis

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Excellent list! Also add to the multiple pictures point that if you see a profile with only 1 photo, it's usually a red flag
I think it’s time to develop a glossary or dictionary which would help new babies and daddies to navigate the sugar bowl.

for example:
Show me that you’re serious - I want freebies

Looking for a gentleman - minimum $800 for two hours

Looking for a real gentleman- $800 plus Uber

Classy - has a mirror selfie from a public restroom

Entrepreneur - recently started Onlyfans

Creative - recently started Onlyfans

Open minded - anal is still not included

etc etc
 
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