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shack

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Those rights include the right to self defence, which you give only to Israelis.
Killing 1,400 civilians is self defense? Were the 250 at the music festival about to invade and behead babies?

There is your example of hate speech.
 

Frankfooter

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Killing 1,400 civilians is self defense? Were the 250 at the music festival about to invade and behead babies?

There is your example of hate speech.
No shack, as I've said every day here for the last 11 days.
Hamas and Israel both need to be taken to the Hague for targeting civilians.

Israel now has killed way more civilians, 1524 children and another 1400 women.

Stop killing.
Its time for a ceasefire and the end of apartheid.

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Frankfooter

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And as you have never, ever said, the attack of Oct. 7 was a terrorist attack and that you condemn it. You are a phony. Your words are hollow.
I have repeatedly, shack.

Both Israel and Hamas have committed war crimes and terrorism and both should be held to account.

What you have yet to do is admit Palestinians are not 'human animals' deserving of genocide.
There is nothing done by your 'chosen people' you would ever denounce.
Not the occupation
Not the blockade
Not apartheid
and now not genocide.

Even this, I expect you won't' denounce.

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shack

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I have repeatedly, shack.

Both Israel and Hamas have committed war crimes and terrorism and both should be held to account.
A sweeping generality.

That does not specifically mention Oct. 7. So no, you have not.

Condemn the the Oct. 7 attack by Hamas as an act of terrorism.

Otherwise your sweeping declarations are hollow words. What you are saying is not what you really feel.
 

Frankfooter

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A sweeping generality.

That does not specifically mention Oct. 7. So no, you have not.

Condemn the the Oct. 7 attack by Hamas as an act of terrorism.

Otherwise your sweeping declarations are hollow words. What you are saying is not what you really feel.
As expected, you won't even denounce the IDF raping, torturing and pissing on Palestinians.
 

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Clearly not. You're not nearly as smart as you think you are. The only person you are fooling is yourself.
As stated before, I said it and you won't accept it.
Kind of like how you won't accept how Palestinians are humans.
Kind of like how you refuse to condemn torture, rape, apartheid and genocide.

You're on a roll.

Now you're going to take Biden down with you.
#GenocideJoe

 

shack

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As stated before, I said it and you won't accept it.
Kind of like how you won't accept how Palestinians are humans.
Kind of like how you refuse to condemn torture, rape, apartheid and genocide.
You know, you are so lost, I almost feel sorry for you. Almost.
 

Frankfooter

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You know, you are so lost, I almost feel sorry for you. Almost.
We know you can't feel sorry for anyone who isn't part of your tribe.

Otherwise you wouldn't be cheering on withholding food and water for 1 million children, 80% of whom were already food insecure.
 

shack

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[QUOTE="Frankfooter, post: 8137382, member: 225852Otherwise you wouldn't be cheering on withholding food and water for 1 million children, 80% of whom were already food insecure.
[/QUOTE]That is what you have endorsed. You've admitted that you knew this would happen yet you still justified and endorsed Hamas' attack on 1,400 Israeli, Jewish civilians.

You cannot condemn Israel's retaliation to a Hamas attack while justifying said attack. You are clearly justifying Gazans' deaths.
 

Frankfooter

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You cannot condemn Israel's retaliation to a Hamas attack while justifying said attack. You are clearly justifying Gazans' deaths.
shack, tell me your definition of terrorism.
Tell me how many militants vs civilians both sides have killed.
Tell me which side is killing and targeting more civilians.

Explain to me why you think you're not the terrorist supporter.
 

shack

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shack, tell me your definition of terrorism.

Explain to me why you think you're not the terrorist supporter.
"Terrorism, in its broadest sense, is the use of intentional violence and fear to achieve political or ideological aims. The term is used in this regard primarily to refer to intentional violence during peacetime or in the context of war against non-combatants (mostly civilians and neutral military personnel)"

This describes the Oct. 7 attack that terrorist organization Hamas (as listed on Canada's terrorism list. The same Canadian terrorism list that YOU referenced yesterday) launched causing the death of 1,400 civilians. I wholeheartedly do not support this act of terrorism. I have denounced and continue to denounce this act. You have never condemned THIS PARTICULAR ATTACK. You speak in generalities which means nothing.

You, however continue to justify this attack of terror (as per the above definition). Justification=Support. YOU ARE THE TERRORIST SUPPORTER.
 

Frankfooter

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"Terrorism, in its broadest sense, is the use of intentional violence and fear to achieve political or ideological aims. The term is used in this regard primarily to refer to intentional violence during peacetime or in the context of war against non-combatants (mostly civilians and neutral military personnel)"

This describes the Oct. 7 attack that terrorist organization Hamas (as listed on Canada's terrorism list. The same Canadian terrorism list that YOU referenced yesterday) launched causing the death of 1,400 civilians. I wholeheartedly do not support this act of terrorism. I have denounced and continue to denounce this act. You have never condemned THIS PARTICULAR ATTACK. You speak in generalities which means nothing.

You, however continue to justify this attack of terror (as per the above definition). Justification=Support. YOU ARE THE TERRORIST SUPPORTER.
This also describes Israeli policy on Gaza for the last 17 years, including the blockade.

This round of violence Israel 70% of the victims are civilians. They've hit schools, food warehouses, bakeries, hospitals, residential towers and ambulances, all civilian targets and all terrorism. They are blocking food, water and power to civilians, that is terrorism, using 'fear' to achieve political aims.

You are supporting terrorism.
I am supporting peace.

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Insidious Von

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The UK Tories got crushed in supposedly safe seats by Labour.

I was wondering how Labour Leader Kier Starmer gained his Knighthood. He was the Director of Public Prosecutors, in that role he led a crackdown on racial violence.

 

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shack, tell me your definition of terrorism.
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I'll tell you mine.

Terrorism is attack specifically targeting civilians for a political cause. The well planned and practiced Hamas assaults on Jewish towns where they practiced going door to door and breaching safe rooms is explicitly terrorism.
Hamas and PIJ launching unguided rockets towards population centres (that sometimes crash and kill hundreds of Gazans) are likely terrorism as their intent is to create fear among the civilian population.
Israel striking Hamas sites knowing that some civilians will die is not terrorism. You can try and argue that the military benefit of those strikes does not justify the ricks to civilians but that still does not make it terrorism.
Extremist settlers torching Palestinian homes is terrorism, as is Palestinian factions shooting Israeli drivers.

Sadly you still refuse to admit Hamas are terrorists. You used to try to claim that they were former terrorists as they hadn't committed acts of terrorism 'recently'; you can't claim that now yet you still refuse to admit Hamas commits terrorism.
 
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