Israel at war

mellowjello

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"Netanyahu is not a vicious psychopath". There you go.

Call Netanyahu an authoritarian asshole if you must.

The people who formed ISIS were always there. Maybe they thrived on the anarchy that eventually followed the US occupation and they certainly thrived on massive financing from the Arab states.
Ok, so all of this is supposition and just your opinion.
And I think Netenyahu is a vicious psychopath, and I don't see a problem with my argument.
 

Klatuu

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Here's the problem w your argument. The HAMAS assholes did pretty much exactly the same shit that the ISIS assholes did a few years back.

Were the ISIS assholes "oppressed" as well. Or is it all just a combination of sociopathic, brutal people who conveniently seize on jihadi ideology to justify rapes, tortures and murders??
Who knows what you are talking about. Why bring in ISIS….don’t you know enough about the history of what has been done to Palestinians to talk exclusively about them?
 

xmontrealer

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Ok, so all of this is supposition and just your opinion.
And I think Netenyahu is a vicious psychopath, and I don't see a problem with my argument.
I wouldn't call Netanyahu a vicious psychopath, but he is certainly a narcissistic power-mad man who will do anything to hold on to that power, including allying with the Jewish ultra orthodox far-right parties in Israel to form a coalition government, reduce the powers of Israel's Supreme Court to prevent personal prosecution for his financial crimes, and not trying at all to find a workable solution to the Palestinian issue.

Now Hamas, on the other hand, genuinely are vicious psychopaths, with no interest in a workable 2-state solution, and little sympathy for those Palestinians who would welcome such a solution.

Btw why isn't Hamas releasing the non-Israeli hostages? Do they feel they have more to gain regarding the Western world's support or compliance by holding them?
 
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mellowjello

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I wouldn't call Netanyahu a vicious psychopath, but he is certainly a narcissistic power-mad man who will do anything to hold on to that power, including allying with the Jewish ultra orthodox far-right parties in Israel to form a coalition government, reduce the powers of Israel's Supreme Court to prevent personal prosecution for his financial crimes, and not trying at all to find a workable solution to the Palestinian issue.

Now Hamas, on the other hand, genuinely are vicious psychopaths, with no interest in a workable 2-state solution, and little sympathy for those Palestinians who would welcome such a solution.

Btw why isn't Hamas releasing the non-Israeli hostages? Do they feel they have more to gain regarding the Western world's support or compliance by holding them?
Lol, sounds like the definition of a psychopath.
There is no 2 state solution to work towards, that was gone a long time ago. There's no real estate left for the other state.
I don't know what Hamas has up their sleeve, I don't know if there's an end game or just trying to hold on to whatever leverage they might have.
 
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nottyboi

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My very first sentence was that provocation is not a terrorist attack. So am not sure what premise you are going on about.

Actual acts of terror are when innocent civilians are targeted and killed. That is a sufficient and widely accepted definition.
Not it isn't. What was the purpose of storming the Al Aqsa mosque? What did Isreal allow and faciliate this? Give your head a shake. The goal is genocide, to incite violence. Which is terrorism.; here is the official definition, (i.e not your BS defintion);

the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

so are you claiming there was no desire to intemidate in pursuit of political aims? (i,e genocide/ethnic cleanssing)
 

Frankfooter

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You've just justified and supported Hamas' terrorist attack of Oct. 7.

How many times have you said that you condemn terrorism, but here you have just admitted that you support this terrorist attack.

Finally, the truth comes out.

DESPITE WHAT HE SAYS FRANK HAS JUST ADMITTED THAT TERRORISM BY HAMAS ON ISRAELI JEWS IS GOOD AND JUSTIFIED.
Stop with the selective editing of posts.
I've been consistent.

Hamas and Palestinians, living under an illegal occupation, apartheid rule and blockade, have the legal right to self defence against Israel.
They do not have the right to target civilians.
They were within their rights to attack but committed war crimes when civilians were targeted.
The same as Israel, who has just now targeted and killed 500 civilians, which is terrorism by definition.

You will never call out Israeli terrorism or show any remorse at the death of any Palestinian.
 

Frankfooter

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Hamas' strategy is to FORCE a humanitarian crisis and leverage it for a) Legitimacy and continued relevance and b) Hurt Israel as much as they can and c) Secure funding from sympathetic Islamic countries or from Western human rights organizations etc. They are motivated by revenge, racism, power and money. Until and unless they are done with, nothing good will happen to the Palestinians.
Israel aims the missiles and bombs.
Not Hamas.

Blame Israel.
 

Frankfooter

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Netanyahu has been planning a ground invasion for days now.
Yesterday Israel held a 5 hour meeting with Blinken, knowing that Biden was visiting.
Today Israel bombs the hospital and kills 500-1000 civilians.

Was this act of terrorism/genocide timed to implicate Biden and force his hand as he came to visit?

Can Biden still fund Israel after this attack?

 
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Frankfooter

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They did not "storm" the Al-Aqsa mosque. That is your and other pro-Palestine media spin job.

Even if they did storm the Al-Aqsa mosque, that still isn't genocide. Its ridiculous to call it genocide.
They stormed the Al Aqsa.
This broke a treaty and was an act of terrorism, meant to 'intimidate' a civilian population. Terrorism.
 
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