Clear warning. Will Hamas man up and face the IDF? Or as usual hide under the women folk's skirts? And place children in front of them?
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Clear warning. Will Hamas man up and face the IDF? Or as usual hide under the women folk's skirts? And place children in front of them?
No, that is not what Deif said.
Your cliche that two wrongs don’t make a right is amusing insofar as you seem to think that three wrongs do.
Why wait, they’ve already run away. Abandoning their own citizens.
You can’t put Humpty Dumpty back together again after this humiliation.
Hamas did this with 1500 fighters. Israel need a couple of hundred thousand before even starting.
Someone has forgotten painful lessons learned by the Russians and US in Afghanistan and Vietnam.
Pretty much hit it on the head.
Yes the market and $, and power, end game for either side. It should be no secret whoever
can control Israel will have a better stronghold on the oil in the Middle East.
It’s completely different than a revenge message. He talks about attempting to arrange a humanitarian deal to release Palestinian prisoners (including the 1000 plus held as hostages) that was rejected. He talked about the never ending land thefts, killings, abuse and torture. He said they had had enough and were going to put an end to what they were enduring.However many wrongs, don't make a right. And that is the problem with this entire conflict.
And that is the summary of what Deif said. Not sure why you think this guy's message is somehow more profound than what we already know.
If you have a longer video or a format post it here because this is what I could find.
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Who is Mohammed Deif, the Hamas commander behind the attack on Israel?
Israel calls last week's devastating attack by Hamas its 9/11 moment. The secretive mastermind behind the assault, Palestinian militant Mohammed Deif, calls it Al Aqsa Flood.www.reuters.com
"Today the rage of Al Aqsa, the rage of our people and nation is exploding. Our mujahedeen (fighters), today is your day to make this criminal understand that his time has ended," Deif said in the recording.
Speaking in a calm voice, Deif said in his recording that Hamas had repeatedly warned Israel to stop its crimes against Palestinians, to release prisoners, whom he said were abused and tortured, and to halt its expropriation of Palestinian land.
"Every day the occupation storm our villages, towns and cities in the West Bank and raid houses, kill, injure, destroy and detain. At the same time, it confiscates thousands of acres of our land, uproots our people from their houses to build settlements while its criminal siege continues on Gaza."
Deif said Hamas had urged the international community to put an end to the "crimes of the occupation", but Israel had stepped up its provocation. He also said Hamas had in the past asked Israel for a humanitarian deal to release Palestinian prisoners, but this was rejected.
"In light of the orgy of occupation and its denial of international laws and resolutions, and in light of American and western support and international silence, we've decided to put an end to all this," he said.
This the universal need for freedom. Calling it revenge is the dehumanizing narrative of Israel, their military occupiers. They have no conception of Palestinians as humans.
And if you think Israel’s revenge orgy is wrong, call it out explicitly. .
No, that is legally wrong.
Israel, as the occupying power, is duty bound for the welfare of the people they occupy in Gaza.
And yes, the UN and all international powers recognize Israel as occupying Gaza.
There is nowhere to flee.
Plus, all Palestinians will not let another Nabka happen again.
So Israel will bomb them in their homes and commit genocide.
Wrong again. Palestinians signed and abided by the Oslo Accords. For that they got 2 decades of stalling and half a million more settlers in what could have been Palestine.
In Gaza they protested peacefully for a year and every Friday for a year Israel shot them with snipers. Killing 200 and injuring 36,000. Civilians.
Mandrill, you could do the decency of getting views from Palestinians about Gaza and Hamas, instead of Israeli supporters. Its not hard.(15) Why did Hamas think attacking nuclear-armed and USA-allied Israel would be a good idea? - Quora
Desperation.
For years, the Arab states have been moving towards normalizing relations with Israel. Hamas counts upon the support of Arab states, both material and financial, to exist since it has very limited means of its own.
Normalized Arab-Israeli relations would be the coup de grace for Hamas and the “Palestinian liberation” movement. Because a precondition of normalized relations with Israel would be ceasing support to Hamas.
Part of the reason why Arab states were warming up to Israel was that Arab leaders have been losing faith in the Palestinian forces for decades now, and an improvement for the Palestinians was nowhere in sight.
Regardless of where you stand on this conflict, it's hard to argue that Palestinian forces have had much in the way of success recently (or ever, for that matter), having lost land to Israel almost continuously since Israel's inception. The reasons for this are not surprising. Palestine isn't really even a nation at this point, it's two paltry strips of impoverished land run by a corrupt elite and barely educated militants with no resources of their own. They are facing a prosperous, well-organized nation-state with a highly competent military and the direct support of the world's premier powers. It was never going to turn out well for them.
Whether you agree with the above diagram or not, it is what the Palestinians have always proposed as their version of what has happened to them. So even they admit their total failure against the Israelis.
And I suppose the Arabs were tired of tying their money up in so clearly a lost cause. Oh sure, they still outwardly broadcast support for Palestine for religious reasons and internal appeasement (most Arab Muslims are extremely against any rapprochement with Israel), but I suspect they have been planning a move away from being active stakeholders in the Israel-Palestine conflict for a while.
So why the attack from Hamas now? Well, it's an apparent attempt to sabotage the normalization of relations across the ME, which would have sounded the death knell for them. I cannot imagine the Hamas leadership would stand idle and let the war coffers they plunder empty out. So they attacked Israel, performing the attack in a way that would cause the most severe reaction from the Israelis. Massacring Jews, abducting Jews, the whole shebang! They were trying to force Israel into the largest possible retaliation against them (they might have succeeded), thereby forcing the Arab powers into taking a stance against said Israeli retaliation. That's my only explanation for this attack. Otherwise, the immediate tactical value of killing a few hundred Israeli civilians eludes me.
And it seems to have worked…for now.
Many of the Arab nations previously moving towards normalized relations with Israel have now performed a sudden U-turn, mostly for reasons of posturing (and possibly gaining leverage out of the situation). But I don't think this will last long. Some of the Gulf states didn't even openly side with Palestine this time, the UAE came out with this statement;
I imagine most Arab powers see that the writing is on the wall for Hamas. There is no possible way that, having poked the Israeli bear, Hamas can resist any Israeli counter-operation effectively. After all, the Israeli army is a world-class professional fighting force. At best, Hamas is a glorified militia fighting on very little land, wholly trapped and starved of supplies. Or, to be brief, they're f*cked.
I suppose once the Arab countries can extract some personal benefit/concession from the situation, they will perform another U-turn and return to ditching Palestine. I can see Saudi Arabia's shallow declaration of support for Hamas disappearing once the Saudis can get some security deal with the US in exchange for re-normalizing relations with Israel.
Regardless, the long-term outlook for Hamas is poor. They made a desperate, flailing attempt to “reunite the Ummah” and gain a [im]moral victory against Israel.
In time, I think they will come to regret it.
ADDENDUM:
This answer has covered the possible external motivations for Hamas's operation, but it's worth taking stock of the internal Palestinian political situation.
The President of the Palestinian State, Mahmoud Abbas, of the Fatah (فتح) party, is 87 years old, and has ruled the Gaza strip and the 167 islands of the West Bank since 2005. He is not going to live that much longer and has no clear political successor in his own party. Hamas is likely seeking an opportunity to seize power across Palestinian controlled territories by staging a grand morale victory against the Israelis. I suppose their plan was that this bold operation would give them a large political boost and the necessary support in Palestine and the Arab League to take over the reigns of power from Fatah.
And whilst the tactical situation for Hamas is kaput, the operation could be a political boon. Though what use that would be if the Israeli's conduct a ground offensive to destroy Hamas as a serious organization, is beyond me.
For instance, CBC posted this statement from Hamas. And recall that 200 Palestinians had already been killed by Israel this year and settler attacks had increased to 3 per day, including the pogrom on Huwara.
The leader of Hamas's military wing, Mohammed Deif, said the assault was in response to the 16-year blockade of Gaza and a series of recent incidents, including more settlements in occupied West Bank, Israeli settler violence and further displacement of Palestinians, that have brought Israeli-Palestinian tensions to a fever pitch.
CNN posted this piece about a citizen living through these attacks in Gaza.
Or you could read this article by a Palestinian professor about what they call resistance to an illegal occupation.
It is rumoured that the resistance fighters who managed to enter Sderot are the grandsons of refugees from the village of Huj, which was ethnically cleansed by Zionist militias in 1948 and renamed Sderot. Others are from the village of Hirbya, renamed Zikim by the Israelis.
They have dared to do the “unthinkable,” i.e., return, not as visitors granted permission by the coloniser but as liberators upholding their right to their ancestral land.
This radical act of return points to the post-Zionist future we should envision that will bring liberation to all.
Liberation for us means dismantling the structures of Zionist settler colonialism and apartheid and addressing the inequalities and injustices it has inflicted on us, the indigenous population of Palestine, over the past 100 years.Liberation for us aims to transform the relationship between Palestinians and Israelis into one based on total equality and justice. The settler society is expected to abandon all colonial privileges and display real willingness to accept responsibility for past crimes and injustices. The compromise that indigenous Palestinians are expected to offer is to accept settlers as equal citizens in the new state between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea.This is the path to peace and security, and the international community, which has long accepted Israel’s war crimes against the Palestinians and has even been complicit in them, will have to embrace it.Having learned nothing from history, US President Joe Biden made it clear the day Palestinian fighters crossed through the barbed wire to Israel that he is fully behind Israel, giving its army the green light to commit more war crimes against the civilians of Gaza.
Gaza 2023: Our Warsaw Uprising moment
The people of Gaza have given the Palestinian struggle a new impetus, a new direction.
More BS from you.
The same as some Jews may blame Netanyahu, their leader, I blame the leaders of Palestinians, Hamas. But not the Palestinians.
Once again, intentionally misrepresenting what I said.
Israel is also planning and executing acts of terrorism.
Which is why I say take the leaders of both sides to the Hague and put them on trial.
Then end apartheid and give all living there equal rights.
You and the Israeli supporter just back terrorism from Israel while saying Hamas is so much worse.
But which side kills more people and civilians?
You know the answer....
Then I ask you again.
80% of Israeli Jews blame Netanyahu for the attack by Hamas.
Why do you disagree with them and think you know better?
What, that you can't run an occupation against the native population forever?
That guerilla war will end your occupation if you don't settle it first?
You don't get it.
Palestinians in Gaza tried the non violent protest route and Israel shot them with snipers every Friday for a year.
Please stop posting from ignorance and read a bit about the Great March of Return.
Gaza’s Great March of Return protests explained
Here’s the backstory of the Great March of Return protests and the conditions that have brought Gaza to this point.
Bull.
If you target civilians its terrorism.
End of story.
There is no justification 'they started it first', its just terrorism.
First you justify Israel assassinating Canadians and now you justify terrorism.
Israeli zionists are not just as bad as Hamas, they are now worse and threatening genocide.
Take them all to the ICC, Hamas and Israel.
It’s about an illegal 50 plus years military occupation, the 75 year plight of millions of Palestinians who are refugees due to the well documented ethnic cleansing. It’s about the ever present apartheid. It’s about the thousand plus Palestinians, including children, held without charge by Israel. It’s about the hundreds of Palestinian children arrested in raids on their homes in the middle of the night. It’s about the Palestinian men who are beaten for dating Jewish women. It’s the Israeli government support for organizations dedicated to destroying the Dome of the Rock.
I’ve barely scratched the surface. No more.
All of this is done by Israelis to Palestinians. No equivalence.
