Modi scolds Trudeau over Sikh protests in Canada against India

[Frankfooter]

What did you expect? You live by the sword you die by the sword.The sentence you posted itself shows they are terrorists dirtbags leading the Khalistan Commando Force lol. Did you think these guys were law abiding innocent citizens without any rivals? Its probably how Nijjar was killed. By another rival faction.

So you not only admit that India is assassinating Sikhs, you also cheer for their killing including the killing of a Canadian Sikh.
And yet you still claim that Modi couldn't have done it.

Amazing.

 

[Frankfooter]

Quote me where I said India is assassinating Sikhs? Resorting to dishonesty, trolling and gaslighting. Is this what you have come to Frank? lol.

I said these guys were probably killed by rival factions. Not the state of India.

'Rival forces'
The rival forces to the Khalistani movement is the Modi government.

And yes I do support neutralizing terrorists.

You mean you support assassinating people based on unproven allegations.

Again repeat after me - Khalistanis are Sikhs. Sikhs are not Khalistanis. Calling Sikhs Khalistanis is racist.

Are the 3 people Sikhs or not?

 

[Frankfooter]

New development.

Just like there are "credible allegations" of India's involvement in Nijjar's death, there now appear to be "credible rumours" that sniffer dogs found Cocaine in Trudeau's plane and that Trudeau was too stoned to come out of his plane for 2 days.

‘Absolutely false’: Justin Trudeau denies flying to G20 in plane full of cocaine

‘Troubling example of how disinformation can make its way into media reporting’

www.independent.co.uk

Old development.
This accusation was made 5 days ago and then dropped because its ridiculous and the accuser isn't trustworthy.

ED raids former Indian diplomat on suspicion of 'line of credit' fraud | India News - Times of India

India News: The Enforcement Directorate has raided premises of a retired senior Indian diplomat, Deepak Vohra, after his alleged involvement was revealed in a 'li

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

A more nuanced analysis of this issue is here:

The Deep Roots of the India-Canada Diplomatic Rift

The murder of Hardeep Singh Nijjar is just the latest episode in a complicated relationship that has been marked by fundamental differences in the countries' values and priorities.

www.lawfaremedia.org

 

[Darts]

Since Niijar was born in India, I thought he was both an Indian citizen (by birth) and Canadian citizen (by naturalization) i.e. dual citizen.

Question: Does India consider him an Indian citizen or a Canadian citizen? Or, does India consider him an OCI?

"According to the Constitution of India, dual citizenship, that is, holding Indian citizenship and citizenship of a foreign country simultaneously is not allowed 12. However, the Government of India introduced the Overseas Citizenship of India (OCI) in 2005. Persons of Indian Origin (PIOs) of certain category who migrated from India and acquired citizenship of a foreign country other than Pakistan and Bangladesh, are eligible for the OCI as long as their home countries allow dual citizenship in some form or other under their relevant national laws 1.

It’s important to note that Overseas Citizens of India will not have the right to vote or be elected to the Lok Sabha/Rajya Sabha/Legislative Assembly/Council, constitutional posts such as the President, Vice-President, Judge of Supreme Court/High Court etc. However, registered OCI shall be entitled to the following benefits: Multiple entry, multi-purpose lifelong visa to visit India; Exemption from reporting to police authorities for any length of stay in India; and Parity with Non-Resident Indians (NRIs) in financial, economic and educational fields except in the acquisition of agricultural or plantation properties 1."

 

[pavel bure]

Publications that are anti-national should be banned. Nothing wrong with that. Especially coming from a racist news outlet like the BBC.

Since when were the BBC supposed to be racist? Any proof that they are racist?

 

[pavel bure]

They don't have to do anything. But if Canada wants to investigate a murder and India refuses to assist, what's that suppose to mean? What type of Government in India is that?

Trudeau is right to bring this issue up behind close doors, He is wrong for doing this publicly. He's putting innocent people at risk now, he's compromising US intelligence and surveillance methods, and has put a strain international relations.

It was behind closed doors, until The Globe and Mail gave Trudeau advance notice that they were going to reveal it within 24 hours. Hence the reason why Trudeau announced it in Parliament.

 

[Darts]

During the Raj I think many children born to Brits serving in India were considered British even though they were born in India. Yes, no, maybe?

 

[Frankfooter]

Nothing I didn't say so before. I myself said that if Khalistani supporters want to debate, call for, protest peacefully or post social media messages am okay with that. But if they advocate for violence, kill people, attack the Indian High Commission etc., then that is not freedom of speech. This is what they do today and India sees Canada as being permissive towards this sort of violent behaviour.

And as you can see, even though Vohra spoke in favour of the Indian government, you can see how the law is enforced if he did break the law. Hopefully the next time I post from the TOI you will take it as credible then?

You say that but then you've personally called for violence against Khalistanis on this board.

 

[Frankfooter]

Khalistanis who are terrorists, who attack the country, target people in India, deserve to be neutralized. Like Nijjar. If a person just supports the Khalistan movement and keeps to talking or social media posts, or peacefully protesting (attacking the Indian High Commission isn't peaceful) then I have no problems with it. I said that very early on in the debate.

1 - Describing someone as a terrorist doesn't make it legal to assassinate them
2 - Describing someone as a terrorist without believable proof makes it a political assassination
3 - Assassinating people in other countries is wrong

 

[Frankfooter]

1. There is no evidence that India assassinated him.
2. There is ample evidence of Nijjar being a terrorist, that is in India's dossier. Ignoring it and calling it not credible because you don't like Modi, does not make it not credible. It is just your personal bias.
3. Yes it is wrong. And India did not do it as there is no evidence for it.
4. If evidence is finally presented, and India did do it, yes it would be wrong. But it would be justified as India has to prioritize their sovereignty, given that Canada won't. Terrorists deserve a bullet in the head.

1 - The US and Canada say there is and there have been 3 other international assassinations of Khalistani Sikhs
2 - That evidence was presented to CSIS and the board here, it is lacking
3 - I'll take the views of the people who saw what evidence exists over your personal, biased views
4 - Use the rule of law, not assassination.

 

[Carvher]

1 - The US and Canada say there is and there have been 3 other international assassinations of Khalistani Sikhs
2 - That evidence was presented to CSIS and the board here, it is lacking
3 - I'll take the views of the people who saw what evidence exists over your personal, biased views
4 - Use the rule of law, not assassination.

Didn't the US say Sadam had weapons of mass destruction?
Didn't they start a war based on that lie?
Didn't they drag other countries into it based on same lie?
Doesn't Trudeau lie more than a crack addict?
I'm sorry but I'm not taking their word for it.
If the evidence is there, then show it and then we can have an opinion.

 

[Knuckle Ball]

Interesting vid from the CBC:

 

[basketcase]

Khalistanis who are terrorists, who attack the country, target people in India, deserve to be neutralized. Like Nijjar....

What evidence do you have on Nijjar targeting civilians? You keep demanding Trudeau release all their evidence to you but for some reason you make allegations without providing any.
That doesn't even get into your justification for India sending killers to Canada.

p.s. in threads about a different conflict, you were quite upset that terrorists were killed.

 

[Frankfooter]

1. The US and Canada say they have intelligence that they are investigating. They don't say they have evidence. They are also inexperienced with Khalistani terrorism and Canada's political opportunism prevents them from going against these Khalistani extremists. Canada also has history of fucking up. Therefore the experts on this issue is India. Not Canada or the US.
2. The evidence proves Nijjar is a terrorist. Claiming the evidence is lacking is your personal bias.
3. Those people you trust say they have intelligence that they are investigating. They say they don't yet have evidence. In my opinion they never will.
4. The rule of law states you can shoot a terrorist as they are enemy combatants. We shoot enemy combatants who are engaged in war against the state.

1 No, the US and Canada say they have evidence in the form of video and diplomatic communications
2 No, the evidence you provided was not convincing
3 No, they have intelligence and they are also investigating further
4 What rule of law says you can assassinate people in other countries if you say the word 'terrorist' first?

 

[Frankfooter]

Didn't the US say Sadam had weapons of mass destruction?
Didn't they start a war based on that lie?
Didn't they drag other countries into it based on same lie?
Doesn't Trudeau lie more than a crack addict?
I'm sorry but I'm not taking their word for it.
If the evidence is there, then show it and then we can have an opinion.

Bush lied, yes.
Biden and Trudeau don't seem to be liars.
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[DesRicardo]

Didn't the US say Sadam had weapons of mass destruction?
Didn't they start a war based on that lie?
Didn't they drag other countries into it based on same lie?

But Sadam complied and proved he had no wmd.

That's the main difference. He allowed the investigation.

 

[Darts]

But Sadam complied and proved he had no wmd.
I think he did have (at least some) poison gas/biological weapons.

That's the main difference. He allowed the investigation.
I think he initially allowed it but later stopped.
Anyway, that's what I remember but it was 30 years ago.

 

[DesRicardo]

India does not have to assist a country that tried to publicly name and shame without proof. In any case, it is Canada's investigation. A Canadian citizen was murdered on Canadian soil by someone. No one knows who. The guy also happened to be a terrorist and involved in gang related activities, for which ample evidence was provided by India that Canada refused to act on. So it is Canada's problem and the onus lies on Canada to provide proof of India's involvement. As simple as that.

Given Canadian inability to provide proof after so many weeks it is now clear that India was in no way involved and that this was the latest failure in a long line of failures for the Canadian security agencies that have colluded with the govt. to turn a blind eye to terrorists purely for political convenience. Canada is way out of its depth on this one and should instead learn from their peers in India who have dealt with this sort of thing for the last 7 decades.

Again, Canada didn't blind side India. They conversed privately and India was uncooperative. If India doesn't want to assist then we are left to conclude. Only an enemy would not assist in such a situation and a guilty part not want to clear their name.

What India needs to understand is we are not a Nationalist State. We don't send an army to temples and just blow everyone's head off.

India's neglect of International Law and continuous Human Rights neglect is out of control. If we were investigating a Sikh I m sure his willingness to help would be different. The Indian government are terrorist.

 

[bver_hunter]

Certainly better than how Trudeau is representing Canada. Inviting a Nazi and giving him a standing ovation and then protecting terrorists who killed CANADIAN citizens. Guess, those Canadian lives were disposable if it meant a few votes, eh?

How about your hero called Modi who did this:

India unveils statue to Nazi-allied independence hero
New Delhi (AFP) – Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi on Thursday unveiled a statue of an independence hero venerated for taking up arms against the British, but controversial for his collaboration with Nazi Germany's war machine.

Subhas Chandra Bose was a charismatic and popular contemporary of Mahatma Gandhi but broke with the pacifist leader to forge alliances with Germany and Japan during World War II, as he sought to overthrow the colonial regime in India.

He made propaganda broadcasts from Berlin encouraging Indians to fight alongside Axis forces -- on one occasion meeting Adolf Hitler -- and raised an anti-British legion from captured Indian PoWs before sailing in a submarine to Japan.

The statue of "Netaji" -- or "leader", as Bose is commonly known -- was erected near the India Gate war memorial in New Delhi, and replaces a statue of Britain's King George V torn down nearly half a century ago.

It is part of a long and expensive renovation of the capital's administrative district, coinciding with this year's 75th anniversary of independence.

"Today we are leaving the past behind," Modi said at the inauguration ceremony on Thursday.

"The country today set up Netaji's statue at the same spot and has given a boost to modern, independent and confident India," he added.

Modi's ruling Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) espouses a muscular Hindu nationalism that champions historical figures who opposed outside influence and domination.

The BJP has lionised Bose as an anti-colonial hero while downplaying the influence of Gandhi and inaugural Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru, two men whose legacies are closely associated with India's main opposition party.

Modi opened a museum to Bose in Delhi's UNESCO world heritage-listed Red Fort in 2019 and called him the "grand hero of independence" earlier this year.

Bose's courtship of fascist powers tarnished his image elsewhere but he remains widely revered at home for his role in the struggle for independence -- and the subject of conspiracy theories over his untimely death.

He was killed when the Japanese bomber he was travelling in crashed in Taiwan at the close of the war in 1945.

But many Indians at the time thought the crash had been faked to help Bose go underground, as he was wanted as a war criminal by British authorities.

In the decades that followed, many insisted Bose was still alive and several alternative theories flourished to account for his whereabouts, including capture and detention in a Soviet gulag, or an anonymous return to India for a quiet life.

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Yes, this Modi knew very well that Bose fought alongside the Nazis and he revered him with this statue. Modi despises Nehru and Gandhi who were the real founders of India!!
Modi also overlooks the real terrorists who have burnt down the churches, paraded raped Christian women nude as well as the killings of thousands of Muslims and more recently the Christians.

But in recent years there has been a surge in attacks on Muslims, who make up about 14% of the population, as well as Christians, who are India’s second-largest religious minority at less than 3% of the population.

Critics say religious polarization has intensified under Prime Minister Narendra Modi and his Hindu-nationalist government, and that it is now reaching deep into the capital, which had largely managed to keep the violence at bay.

A few weeks before the church attack in Delhi, thousands of Muslims in the neighboring state of Haryana fled violence-stricken neighborhoods after seven people were killed during a religious Hindu procession organized by groups ideologically aligned with Modi’s Bharatiya Janata Party. Muslim shops and homes were targeted as the communal clashes spread from the district of Nuh to the city of Gurugram, a tech hub where multinational companies such as Google, Ernst & Young and Deloitte have offices.

New Delhi was also engulfed by sectarian riots for several days in 2020, leaving more than 30 people dead.

The United Christian Forum, a human rights group based in New Delhi, said in July that since the start of the year there had been at least 400 acts of violence against Christians across 23 states in India, the Indian news outlet The Wire reported, up from 274 in the first half of 2022.

Experts say religious violence in India is driven by a desire to establish a Hindu state, trumping the secularism enshrined in the country’s constitution and instilling fear in those who stand opposed.

“What we are witnessing in India is majoritarianism couched as democracy,” said M. Sudhir Selvaraj, a lecturer at the University of Bradford in Britain who studies anti-Christian violence in India. “There is a sense that people feel emboldened by Modi as the leader. They feel that this is ‘our’ time and ‘our’ place.”

During a visit to the White House in June, Modi denied that India had a problem with religious discrimination, saying there was “absolutely no space for discrimination” in his government. Since then, he has come under fire for his handling of deadly clashes between Hindu and Christian ethnic groups in the northeastern state of Manipur, which he said nothing about publicly for more than two months until a video spread online of two women being paraded naked by a mob.

Religious violence reaches India’s capital as a Hindu mob swarms a church

The crowd is smaller at the Prarthana Bhawan Church after it was attacked by a right-wing mob last month, but some parishioners are undeterred.

www.nbcnews.com

So please do not preach about a Ukrainian Veteran who fought with the Nazis, was then mistakenly invited to the Canadian Parliament by the Speaker, when Modi actually salutes one who met with Hitler, fought alongside the Nazi troops and is now a "Hero" in India with his Statue at the India Gate. Tell us why you think that Trudeau has to be condemned and Modi adored in this respect?

 

[bver_hunter]

Subhas Chandra Bose was an Indian freedom fighter and is revered hero. Yes he fought with the Nazis and the Japanese because - "friend of a friend" - he was fighting the British. We have nothing to do with Nazism or the holocaust as that is European history with which we dont share any values. Modi therefore unveiling a statue for Bose, is therefore commendable.

However Trudeau inviting Hunka was a mistake because you had Zelensky waving to him while facing down Russian propaganda of denazification.

These are not the same contexts.

In any case this is irrelevant as far the topic of this thread is concerned which is about Khalistani terrorism.

What is the difference between the Ukrainian that fought the Russians for an independent Ukraine, though alongside the Nazis and this Bose individual?
Then Modi erects a statue in his name as well as a museum. See how you make excuses for a Nazi when it involves Modi and his record of instigating the real terrorists that are currently in India and involved with the destruction of churches, mosques as well as lives!!

BTW you are the one that brought this Ukrainian War veteran in the mix. So how is it different when it also applies to Modi?

More about this Bose individual:

Kolkata — In 2019, then-chief of staff to Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., triggered headlines when he wore a T-shirt with the image of Nazi collaborator Subhas Chandra Bose (1897–1945). Bose, often called Netaji (“respected leader”), was an Indian nationalist who created and recruited soldiers for the Free India Legion aka the Indian Legion. Formed in 1941, the legion was originally part of the German army; in 1944 it was transferred to the Waffen-SS (the military wing of the Nazi Party responsible for, among other war crimes, the Holocaust) and became the Indian Volunteer Legion of the Waffen-SS. It fought against the Allies in France, where it was tasked with suppressing the French Resistance; the unit gained a dark reputation for crimes against civilians.

Bose aided Hitler’s cause even prior to recruiting soldiers for the Third Reich. In 1938, Jawaharlal Nehru, a hero of India’s freedom struggle who later became the country’s first prime minister, led the effort to allow Jewish refugees to escape persecution and come to India. Bose actively blocked Nehru’s attempt. (India ended up rescuing Jews and Poles – see the Forward, India Times, The Hindu and Atlas Obscura.)

Bose’s defenders use the same justification as whitewashers of other nationalist collaborators – they rebrand Bose and the Indian Legion as freedom fighters who fought against Britain, not lackeys who fought with Hitler. The fact remains, Bose recruited thousands of men who fought in the Waffen-SS against the Allies, suppressed anti-Nazi resistance and enabled Germany to continue its genocide of Jews and Roma.

Nazi collaborator monuments around the world

There are hundreds of monuments around the world to people who abetted or took part in the murder of Jews and others during the Holocaust.

forward.com

Also look at that image in the link where the Bose salute is that of a NAZI, and that other image of Modi worshipping at Bose's image!!