Jewish group demands apology after MPs honoured man who fought for Nazis
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It is history and by ignoring the atrocities your are enabling future atrocities. By letting it slide because it was before your time, you are indeed ignoring it.
"Those Who Do Not Learn History Are Doomed To Repeat It." Really? - Big Think
If you are going to accuse someone of being a Nazi war criminal you need to have evidence to back up your claim. If he committed war crimes, by all means, investigate and charge him. But provide evidence.
In 1950, the federal cabinet decided to allow Ukrainians living in the United Kingdom to come to Canada “notwithstanding their service in the German army,” as long as they went through a security screening.
A 1986 commission report on war criminals living in Canada found there were about 600 former members of the Waffen SS Galicia Division living in Canada at the time.
But Justice Jules Deschenes, who led the commission, said membership in the division did not in itself constitute a crime and that “charges of war crimes against members of the Galicia Division have never been substantiated, either in 1950 when they were first preferred or in 1984 when they were renewed or before this commission.”
Frank Sysyn, a history professor at the University of Alberta, said it’s accurate to say that Hunka was not a Nazi, despite fighting for Nazi Germany, because non-Germans weren’t allowed to join the party.
Head of Ukrainian-Canadian group defends man who fought for unit created by Nazis
Jurij Klufas has not met 98-year-old Yaroslav Hunka, but said the treatment the veteran is getting is unfair.
torontosun.com
You're very selective about what history should and shouldn't be ignored.
You expect everyone to be consumed by your history, but you ignore the history of another man and his country
by not giving any consideration as to why that man would enlist to fight for his country.
Why don't you look up how badly the Ukraine suffered in that war, or are you not as concerned as you accuse others of being?
While you're at it, you said Hunka "deserves to be held accountable".
Accountable for what?
There is a difference between signing up to fight for your country and collaborating with the nazis to round up jews to send to extermination camps.
There are multiple or at least a few reasons why he might have joined. Maybe he was simply young, and thought war was an adventure as so many did. And just wanted to be on what he thought would be the winning side.
Not many reasons to hide his past for 75 years. Especially early on. When some evidence might have been around, and he would have certainly known the very vast majority of combatants had nothing to fear.
We aren't sure. Hence an investigation is needed. There are pictures proving he was in it in 1943. His role, as he was 18, has yet to be determined. If there are historical records ( pictures or deployment orders) showing him at the site of atrocities then a trial is neccessary.
I'm prepared to agree to extradition but only if there is more substantial prove than enlistment. If he was a clerk in the back thats hella difference then tossing them onto trains knowing the end destination.
You know, for someone accusing me of bold assertions, that's a lot of speculation, probably conjecture on your part.
Nazi hunters have tracked down a lot of Nazis all over the world, long after the crimes were committed, I'm sure they could dig up something
if there was something there.
Big difference between saying what you did. And just be real. All you, anyone can do is guess. Or were you with him, when he joined?
And with respect to the second half. Yep speculation. But why else would he remain hidden, especially say from the day he arrived for the next 25-50 years…when evidence, witnesses would have been easy to find.And when, he would have known, yes known, nothing to fear. Unless….
There is virtually no other plausible reason.
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Um, one thing was the Nazis were meticulous record keepers. They evidence is there. Sometimes its just a matter of wading through it. If Poland can show him involved I don't care about his age. But the proof has to show up before extradition.
“In 1950, the federal cabinet decided to allow Ukrainians living in the United Kingdom to come to Canada “notwithstanding their service in the German army,” as long as they went through a security screening.
A 1986 commission report on war criminals living in Canada found there were about 600 former members of the Waffen SS Galicia Division living in Canada at the time.
But Justice Jules Deschenes, who led the commission, said membership in the division did not in itself constitute a crime and that “charges of war crimes against members of the Galicia Division have never been substantiated, either in 1950 when they were first preferred or in 1984 when they were renewed or before this commission.”
torontosun.com
A 1986 commission report on war criminals living in Canada found there were about 600 former members of the Waffen SS Galicia Division living in Canada at the time.
But Justice Jules Deschenes, who led the commission, said membership in the division did not in itself constitute a crime and that “charges of war crimes against members of the Galicia Division have never been substantiated, either in 1950 when they were first preferred or in 1984 when they were renewed or before this commission.”
Head of Ukrainian-Canadian group defends man who fought for unit created by Nazis
Jurij Klufas has not met 98-year-old Yaroslav Hunka, but said the treatment the veteran is getting is unfair.
torontosun.com
I've never claimed my opinion was fact, but reasonable assertion, unlike you and some others who are ready to put him in front of a firing squad with no evidence.
How many 95 year old witnesses are there? And while there might be some paper trail left. Did they leave maps to mass graves, and who was committing atrocities?
Personally at this point. By the time they could extradite him………
Um, eye witnesses carry less weight for me then pictures, old film, and deployment orders.
They have identified him in pictures but now we need context.
Some reading material.
Time marches on
amp.theguardian.com
Canadas dark history.
amp.theguardian.com
beta.cp24.com
The Blunder Seen Around the World.
jacobin.com
Like father, like son
nationalpost.com
Realistically, even if a smoking gun was somehow found. He is 98 years old. It’s
A) unlikely he would be extradited,
B) would likely entail a legal fight
C) not something JT will do
D) likely the last of any remaining.
Sometimes have to ask. What’s the upside?
it’s a dark stain in our countries underwear. Better we wear it, imo.
Time marches on
The last Nazi hunters | Nazism | The Guardian
<strong>The long read</strong>: Since 1958, a small department of Germany’s government has sought to bring members of the Third Reich to trial. A handful of prosecutors are still tracking down Nazis, but the world’s biggest cold-case investigation will soon be shut down
amp.theguardian.com
Canadas dark history.
‘Canada has a dark history with Nazis’: political scandal prompts reckoning | Canada | The Guardian
After a Nazi veteran was lauded in parliament, a debate over suspected war criminals who settled in the country is reignited
amp.theguardian.com
Canada's Nazi debacle renews calls to examine history, including war crime records
Canada could revisit calls to declassify documents about the presence of Nazi war criminals in the country, Immigration Minister Marc Miller said Wednesday, as the fallout continued over Parliament's recognition last week of a man who fought for the Nazis.
beta.cp24.com
The Blunder Seen Around the World.
By Honoring a Nazi, Canada’s Parliament Has Unearthed a Troubling History
When Canada’s parliament unwittingly paid homage to a Nazi veteran, it opened the door to questions about its postwar past. The incident highlights broader issues of historical distortion and the country’s history of harboring Nazi war criminals.
jacobin.com
Like father, like son
FIRST READING: Canada has long been slammed as a 'haven' for ex-Nazis like Yaroslav Hunka
Pierre Trudeau once said he intentionally didn't prosecute Nazi war criminals living in Canada, lest it inflame European expats
nationalpost.com
Realistically, even if a smoking gun was somehow found. He is 98 years old. It’s
A) unlikely he would be extradited,
B) would likely entail a legal fight
C) not something JT will do
D) likely the last of any remaining.
Sometimes have to ask. What’s the upside?
it’s a dark stain in our countries underwear. Better we wear it, imo.
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What a surprise, right wing media were outraged and tried to blame the PM for someone else's mistake.Some reading material.
Time marches on
The last Nazi hunters | Nazism | The Guardian
<strong>The long read</strong>: Since 1958, a small department of Germany’s government has sought to bring members of the Third Reich to trial. A handful of prosecutors are still tracking down Nazis, but the world’s biggest cold-case investigation will soon be shut down
Canadas dark history.
‘Canada has a dark history with Nazis’: political scandal prompts reckoning | Canada | The Guardian
After a Nazi veteran was lauded in parliament, a debate over suspected war criminals who settled in the country is reignited
Canada's Nazi debacle renews calls to examine history, including war crime records
Canada could revisit calls to declassify documents about the presence of Nazi war criminals in the country, Immigration Minister Marc Miller said Wednesday, as the fallout continued over Parliament's recognition last week of a man who fought for the Nazis.
The Blunder Seen Around the World.
By Honoring a Nazi, Canada’s Parliament Has Unearthed a Troubling History
When Canada’s parliament unwittingly paid homage to a Nazi veteran, it opened the door to questions about its postwar past. The incident highlights broader issues of historical distortion and the country’s history of harboring Nazi war criminals.
Like father, like son
FIRST READING: Canada has long been slammed as a 'haven' for ex-Nazis like Yaroslav Hunka
Pierre Trudeau once said he intentionally didn't prosecute Nazi war criminals living in Canada, lest it inflame European expats
Realistically, even if a smoking gun was somehow found. He is 98 years old. It’s
A) unlikely he would be extradited,
B) would likely entail a legal fight
C) not something JT will do
D) likely the last of any remaining.
Sometimes have to ask. What’s the upside?
it’s a dark stain in our countries underwear. Better we wear it, imo.
Apparently it was the guy's kid who suggested him to the speaker, they didn't know his war history.
