Jewish group demands apology after MPs honoured man who fought for Nazis

[james t kirk]

The whole thing is very embarrassing to Canada. And frankly, plays right into Putin's hands with respect to what he's been saying all along about Ukraine being full of Nazis. That's the worst part. That little munchkin Putin will be just laughing his ass off. Makes us look like a bunch of fools.

For that alone, the (former) Speaker of the House, the entire government and indeed the entire House of Commons should be ashamed at how stupid they were. It's like somebody dreamed up some idea and rushed it into production without doing the proper analysis. For that, they are all to blame, but frankly the liberal government the most. It is a well-known fact that a great many Ukrainians (not all) fought on the side of the Nazis. The Canadian officials should have known that the only Ukrainians fighting the Russians in World War 2 were fighting with the Germans. This is not a big secret. It’s haunted Ukraine since 1945.

I've read on here that "well, he was fighting the Russians because he wanted the Russians out of Ukraine". That doesn’t earn him a pass by any means. The guy was fighting on behalf of the Nazis period. We as Canadians and allies can't forget that and let it go. Any way you cut it, he (as a member of the Waffen SS no less) would have been carrying out atrocities against civilians. The Waffen SS were reviled by the allies and were seen as Nazi fanatics. Standard operating procedure for the allies, if you caught a member of the Waffen SS, you shoot him. End of story. This guy got lucky and he lived out the rest of his life in the peace and prosperity that is Canada. Funny how that works.

 

[Vector222]

The whole thing is very embarrassing to Canada. And frankly, plays right into Putin's hands with respect to what he's been saying all along about Ukraine being full of Nazis. That's the worst part. That little munchkin Putin will be just laughing his ass off. Makes us look like a bunch of fools.

For that alone, the (former) Speaker of the House, the entire government and indeed the entire House of Commons should be ashamed at how stupid they were. It's like somebody dreamed up some idea and rushed it into production without doing the proper analysis. For that, they are all to blame, but frankly the liberal government the most. It is a well-known fact that a great many Ukrainians (not all) fought on the side of the Nazis. The Canadian officials should have known that the only Ukrainians fighting the Russians in World War 2 were fighting with the Germans. This is not a big secret. It’s haunted Ukraine since 1945.

I've read on here that "well, he was fighting the Russians because he wanted the Russians out of Ukraine". That doesn’t earn him a pass by any means. The guy was fighting on behalf of the Nazis period. We as Canadians and allies can't forget that and let it go. Any way you cut it, he (as a member of the Waffen SS no less) would have been carrying out atrocities against civilians. The Waffen SS were reviled by the allies and were seen as Nazi fanatics. Standard operating procedure for the allies, if you caught a member of the Waffen SS, you shoot him. End of story. This guy got lucky and he lived out the rest of his life in the peace and prosperity that is Canada. Funny how that works.

Not anymore!!

 

[Darts]

For many people it wasn't about killing Jews. I don't know about the Ukrainian context as I am not that knowledgeable about the history, but for example, Subhas Chandra Bose (who is a highly regarded freedom fighter in India), who was the first leader of the Indian Army, back during British times, opposed Gandhi's non-violent principles, and actually met Hitler and teamed up with him.

"Many factions of the Indian Independence Movement did support Nazi Germany during the war, most notably the so-called Indian Legion which Bose was instrumental in creating and which was incorporated for sometime as a division of the Waffen-SS. [6]"
India in World War II - Wikipedia

 

[Frankfooter]

That's par for the course with some members here. Disagree with anything and "they" will get on their soapbox and scream Nazi, racist, bigot, transphobic, Islamophobic, etc. Impossible to have an intelligent and rational debate with those members.

So its ok when you do it then?

 

[Darts]

We shouldn't hold Miss Freeland responsible for what her grandfather did or didn't do. Anyway, here is the article from the Ottawa Citizen.
Chrystia Freeland’s granddad was indeed a Nazi collaborator – so much for Russian disinformation | Ottawa Citizen

 

[shack]

Why add this clause at the beginning? Because you are appealing to emotion, not reason. Argumentum ad Nazium

Is it better if it were added at the end?

If the shoe fits, wear it and wear it proudly. I am appealing to history.

History is filled with Nazi sympathizers. From 80 years ago to current day. (Oh well. It was so long ago, why bother?)

I guess slavery was too long ago that it means nothing today, either.

 

[Darts]

I met a lot of Ukes when I lived out west. WW II was a complicated mess.

Long story short. Some Ukes joined the Nazis because they were fighting Russia the country that staved 7mm Ukes to death. It's the old the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

 

[DinkleMouse]

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[shack]

I didn't say it means nothing. I said I have no interest in flogging a dead horse. In this case, a soon to be dead horse.

He deserves to be held accountable.

 

[dirtyharry555]

Not surprising. Canada and America are dumping billions into the Nazi backwater called Ukraine. Those in power are enriching themselves and their corrupt buddies to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars skimming off the top.

Your tax dollars at work.

 

[mandrill]

Not surprising. Canada and America are dumping billions into the Nazi backwater called Ukraine. Those in power are enriching themselves and their corrupt buddies to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars skimming off the top.

Your tax dollars at work.

They're also saving you from having your kids and grandkids grow up speaking Russian, not English.

 

[dirtyharry555]

They're also saving you from having your kids and grandkids grow up speaking Russian, not English.

That line is just as authentic as Weapons of Mass Destruction.

 

[Not getting younger]

I'm ashamed of our "leaders" who go nuts over the Speaker's lack of due diligence, then immediately turn to condemn a man that no one has any evidence did anything other than kill Russians as bad as the Nazis.

1) he isn’t our leader yet. Not sure where you live.
2) the world disagrees with you. I guess because they understand leadership, diplomacy and what a head of state is. Or rather should be. Whereas many here, sadly don’t.

 

[shack]

If he has done something, then sure. The question is how is it going to be proven? After all due process is owed to everyone.

Kinda funny how the Speaker resigned, Trudeau apologized, Poland wants him extradited and the world is still questioning Canada for a man who never committed a crime.

Except for a few select people, nobody in the world is looking for due process. Why are there so few of you taking this approach?

 

[mellowjello]

He deserves to be held accountable.

Accountable for what?

 

[shack]

Probably because the majority of people couldn't give a shit

Obviously the majority DO care.

Kinda funny how the Speaker resigned, Trudeau apologized, Poland wants him extradited and the world is still questioning Canada for a man who never committed a crime.

Attitudes like yours is what allows history to repeat itself. Luckily most of the world is different than you.

 

[shack]

Yeah they would have cared in 1945. Not in 2023 when the guy is 98 and everyone he knew are most likely dead.

Those who ignore history, are doomed to repeat it. In comparison to the world wide reaction your is a minority and a very tiny one. You are an outlier.

 

[Darts]

Surely, he is not the only person in Canada who served on the German/Nazi side in WW II.

"Starting in 1945, all POWs were released and returned to their home countries.[7] None were allowed to remain in Canada, but some later returned as immigrants"
List of World War II prisoner-of-war camps in Canada - Wikipedia

 

[Not getting younger]

Surely, he is not the only person in Canada who served on the German/Nazi side in WW II.

"Starting in 1945, all POWs were released and returned to their home countries.[7] None were allowed to remain in Canada, but some later returned as immigrants"
List of World War II prisoner-of-war camps in Canada - Wikipedia

Whixh begs the question. If being a member of the SS, why did he sneak in, hide for 75 years. When he would have known, all would be “forgiven”. The Allie’s weren’t rounding up, trying and executing Nazis…Providing, he had nothing to hide.

 

[Darts]

Whixh begs the question. If being a member of the SS, why did he sneak in, hide for 75 years. When he would have known, all would be “forgiven”. The Allie’s weren’t rounding up, trying and executing Nazis…Providing, he had nothing to hide.

Probably "don't ask, don't tell".

I heard stories about German POW's in Canada. They lived in camps that were fairly comfortable. They held dances with the local ladies (whose men folks were far away at war) on Saturday nights. Most of the German POW's were young, tall, blonde and blue eyed. Babe magnets. Anyway, those were the stories I heard as a kid.
POWs in Canada – POWs in Canada