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"Israel, Similar to Apartheid": Ekos Canada Poll

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Apartheid: A policy of segregation and political, social, and economic discrimination based on race.
Yes, you are backing apartheid.



 
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Sounds like your zionists aren't doing so hot in Ireland

I think official Irish policy is still to support a two state solution. It may may not be the perfect solution but perfect solutions are few and far between.

"Ireland was the first member of the European community to recognise the Palestinian Liberation Organization in 1980, with others following a few months later, and became a stalwart advocate for the two-state solution, hosting and meeting with Yasser Arafat on several occasions, sometimes to the ire of the Israeli government."
What’s behind Ireland’s support for Palestine? | Israel-Palestine conflict News | Al Jazeera
 

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A one state "solution" isn't working and won't work. The two groups have "irreconcilable differences". A two state solution is the only intelligent and rational solution and, of course, it will probably never happen.
 

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A one state "solution" isn't working and won't work. The two groups have "irreconcilable differences". A two state solution is the only intelligent and rational solution and, of course, it will probably never happen.
The one state solution is already here.
There is no Palestine, only Israel.

Because there has never been a Palestinian state.
Its a fantasy now to say the two state solution is possible.
So the best plan is a non violent protest for equal rights for all.
BDS.

 
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The fact that Israeli Arabs have the exact same rights as every other Israeli disproves the claim.
This disproves your claim. State back settlers trying to ethnically cleanse Palestinian residents with no charges or arrests against the settlers.
 
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Well Israel attacks and kills Palestinian civilians on the regular. Their logic is that the militants are hiding amongst civilians. Well if they are, leave them be! Palestinian militants have no way of attacking the mighty Israeli army. They just have dumb homemade rockets most of which are easily shot down by Israel. So the Israeli crime even here, is bigger.

Canada condemning terror groups is a matter of politics. For example, they have designated the Proud Boys terrorists (rightfully) while not having banned the Khalistani movement despite Khalistanis bombing a plane back in the 1980s and the majority killed were Canadians. These are usually performative and don't make for a good faith discussion.
Your claim is severely misleading. It sure seems that the majority of people killed by Israel were directly involved in violence at the time of their death so according to international law are not entitled to civilian protections. There are civilians killed at times, either by accident, mis-identification or when in battle with Palestinian militants. I'm sure that there are also some Israelis who intentionally kill civilians but it is not policy the way it is with terror groups (who like Franky pretend all Jews are legit targets because they are in land they want).

And 100% wrong that Palestinian fighters have no way of attacking the military; they do and on a regular basis. The terrorist aspects of groups like Hamas and PIJ are nor because they CAN'T attack military but because they are likely to die in combat. It is their CHOICE to go after softer targets like buses, restaurants, or drivers and that is why they are designated as terrorist groups.

As for politics, there may be some terrorist groups not on that list but it is undoubtable that groups on the list are terrorists, including the Jewish terrorist group Kach.
 

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For them to buy into peace, you have to first stop oppressing them. Israel is the oppressor, not the other way around.
Treating Palestinians like children isn't going to make things better. The only thing that will is international pressure on both sides. Honestly the Palestinian leadership should be worried right now as more Arabs states start to normalize relations with Israel. Those Arabs states have obviously never cared for the Palestinians other than as a way to distract their own people but them backing away from open support of Palestinians will leave the PA with little backing other than Westerners with elitist ideas of how the conflict can be solved without consulting the Palestinians.
 

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I back both sides being held to the law equally.
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You keep saying those words. I don't think they mean what you think they mean.

Sorry but your arguments show your catch phrase is 100% a bullshit coverup for your hatreds.
 

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Why do you think Palestinian leaders are responsible for a 75 year old foreign occupation of their country?
Because they refuse to accept the idea of peace. Is that too complicated? The PA has sort of talked about accepting some kind of peace but those other well armed Palestinian factions don't.
 

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Another story that grandpa will never let you know occurred.

Settlers and IDF. Working for the same goal….ethnic cleansing

Disgusting but still better than Palestinians shooting Jewish drivers.
 

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Your claim is severely misleading. It sure seems that the majority of people killed by Israel were directly involved in violence at the time of their death so according to international law are not entitled to civilian protections.
The UN says the occupation is illegal, which means that ever settler is involved in the occupation and its ensuing violence by your logic.

You keep saying those words. I don't think they mean what you think they mean.

Sorry but your arguments show your catch phrase is 100% a bullshit coverup for your hatreds.
In Canada we believe in equal rights, in giving every person here basic human rights.
Pity you don't believe in Canadian values about equality.
Pity you're more interested in backing racial supremacy and colonial settlers.

Because they refuse to accept the idea of peace. Is that too complicated? The PA has sort of talked about accepting some kind of peace but those other well armed Palestinian factions don't.
Now you're blaming the apartheid occupation on the attitudes of the victims? Are you saying they deserve apartheid because they don't accept apartheid?
Or are now the thought police?
 
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You sure are doing a good job denying them agency or culpability for their actions.
Still trying to blame the victims of a 75 year old occupation for being occupied?
You think Palestinians are to blame for the Israeli occupation of their homeland?
 
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