"Israel, Similar to Apartheid": Ekos Canada Poll

[Frankfooter]

Make up your mind. If you care about how International law applies to Israel, why do you think those same laws don't apply to Palestinians? is it because you think Palestinians are too far beneath you to be held accountable or do you just like what those Palestinian terror factions are doing?

Make up your mind.
Does international law apply to Israel and Palestine both, or just Palestine?

Israeli occupation of Palestinian territory illegal: UN rights commission

Israel’s occupation of Palestinian territory is unlawful under international law due to its permanence and the Israeli government’s de facto annexation policies, a UN-appointed Commission of Inquiry said in its first report, published on Thursday.

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Israel’s 55-year occupation of Palestinian Territory is apartheid – UN human rights expert

GENEVA (25 March 2022) – A UN expert called today on the international community to accept and adopt the findings in his current report, echoing recent findings by Palestinian, Israeli and international human rights organisations, that apartheid is being practiced by Israel in the occupied...

www.ohchr.org

 

[Frankfooter]

Ah, the racist who condemns terrorism from Jews but refuses to admit there is terrorism from Palestinians.

Supporters of apartheid have no business accusing anyone else of racism.

Both sides commit terrorism, Palestinians and Israelis.
Israel commits far more, along with an illegal occupation and apartheid.

do you support international law or not?

Israeli occupation of Palestinian territory illegal: UN rights commission

Israel’s occupation of Palestinian territory is unlawful under international law due to its permanence and the Israeli government’s de facto annexation policies, a UN-appointed Commission of Inquiry said in its first report, published on Thursday.

news.un.org

Israel’s 55-year occupation of Palestinian Territory is apartheid – UN human rights expert

GENEVA (25 March 2022) – A UN expert called today on the international community to accept and adopt the findings in his current report, echoing recent findings by Palestinian, Israeli and international human rights organisations, that apartheid is being practiced by Israel in the occupied...

www.ohchr.org

 

[basketcase]

I'm not the racist here, I don't see them beneath me. You don't get to selectively apply international law. The Israeli occupation and blockade is illegal, apartheid is illegal and the attacks on civilians and purging of mosque's is illegal. You don't get to do illegal things and then expect to victimized party to play by the rules.

Yet you are demanding the be forced into a peace deal they hate and refuse to hold them accountable for their choices.

And YOU don't selectively get to apply international law. try reading it. Even if the Occupation of West Bank is illegal, Jewish civilians do not become legitimate targets. Even Franky's rights groups are 100% clear on that. if Palestinians want to fight against military targets, they are allowed under international law (and also become combatants) but attacks like the ones I listed are 100% terror attacks under international law.

Amnesty International, Breach of the Principle of Distinction | How does law protect in war? - Online casebook

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[basketcase]

Exactly. This is what I meant earlier by saying Israelis need to be held to a higher standard. T...

Why? Do you think Israelis are more capable of morality that Palestinians? Right is right, wrong is wrong. Holding different ethnic groups to different standards is clear racism.

 

[basketcase]

Legality doesn't mean shit. The British partitioning was bullshit colonialism that rejected the sovereignty of the people living on that land. I care about as much for "legality" as the US revolutionaries did against the British. And I've already given you tons of information proving the land sales were dubious.

Ya Arabs rejected letting an invader take over 70% of their house. Just like you would.

You do realize how inconsistent your arguments are right?

BTW. Most of the Arab leaders who rejected Partition were in Damascus, the same absentee owners you were discussing before. But now they're indigenous top Palestine. Okay then.

 

[Frankfooter]

And YOU don't selectively get to apply international law. try reading it.

Israel is apartheid.
You don't get to selectively apply apartheid because of your racist hatred of Palestinians and your claims about how genocidal they are.

 

[Frankfooter]

Holding different ethnic groups to different standards is clear racism.

Then you are racist for supporting apartheid.

Israel's apartheid against Palestinians

Palestinians are systematically subjected to home demolitions and forced evictions, and live in constant fear of losing their homes. For more than 73 years, Israel has been forcibly displacing entire Palestinian communities. Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians’ homes have been demolished...

www.amnesty.org

A Threshold Crossed

The 213-page report, “A Threshold Crossed: Israeli Authorities and the Crimes of Apartheid and Persecution,” examines Israel’s treatment of Palestinians. It presents the present-day reality of a single authority, the Israeli government, ruling primarily over the area between the Jordan River and...

www.hrw.org

Apartheid

The Israeli regime enacts in all the territory it controls (Israeli sovereign territory, East Jerusalem, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip) an apartheid regime. One organizing principle lies at the base of a wide array of Israeli policies: advancing and perpetuating the supremacy of one group –...

www.btselem.org

Israel’s occupation of Palestinian Territory is ‘apartheid’: UN rights expert

Calling on the international community to accept and adopt the recent findings in his report, an independent human rights expert said on Friday that “apartheid is being practiced by Israel in the occupied Palestinian territory”.

news.un.org

 

[Butler1000]

Are you not aware that the Brits/International community already proposed a partition before WWII? If the Arab states were willing to accept Jews in the region, Israel would be much, much smaller.


This thread is a really example of the Dunning Kruger effect. Take the time to dive deeper than simply superficial claims and try examining reality. Your knowledge of history is extremely limited and your view for a way forward relies on rejecting the rights of the people you claim to support.

Amazing how proposed only led to it after a major event. Almost like it was a catalyst to what was decades long talk.

 

[Frankfooter]

Last I checked, Israel is a Jewish state.

You're saying its a racist state that doesn't even admit the majority aren't Jewish?
That its so bad that they won't give them full basic human rights?

 

[Frankfooter]

Not yet. Keep watching.

You're not supposed to admit that turning the US into an ethno state is part of the GOP and rump's goals.
Quiet part out loud....

Its also not going to help your long goals if you're saying you want the US to be just like Israel.

 

[Frankfooter]

The New York Times has now used the A word.

Opinion | The U.S. Reassessment of Netanyahu’s Government Has Begun (Published 2023)

Israel’s extremist governing coalition is going too far on too many fronts.

www.nytimes.com

I do wonder how long it will take before the liberal party will have to drop their support of the Israeli government. They can't ignore 59% of their base.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1699414092895695212

 

[Frankfooter]

What I want is irrelevant. I'm not a US citizen. It's what the US citizenry wants that matters.

They have an open border and birthright citizenship. Israel does not. If they decide to close both of these loopholes, it's their choice.

Israel has the birthright for all Jews, regardless of their citizenship while at the same time refusing the Right of Return for Palestinians.
That's quite different and very much race based.

 

[Klatuu]

Israel has the birthright for all Jews, regardless of their citizenship while at the same time refusing the Right of Return for Palestinians.
That's quite different and very much race based.

 

[basketcase]

Israelis are more capable of doing the right things because they have the structural, institutional power and leadership to do so. I am not holding different ethnic groups to different standards. I am holding Israel to a higher standard because they are the only ones with power there.

OTOH Israel most definitely holds different ethnic groups to different standards. They are an ethnostate so it is in its very nature to do so. That is racist.

Sounds to me like you're making excuses to not hold Palestinian leadership accountable for their choices. It is ridiculous that you guys think that some kind of peace can be established without the Palestinian leadership buying in to peace.

 

[basketcase]

Nobody can force the Palestinians to agree to anything. I think Israel should offer equal rights within a one-state solution, and if that offer was made then I think Palestinians should accept it. After accepting the agreement, any Palestinians still resorting to violence would be dealt with by force like any criminal obviously. Once the equal rights have been gained and the quality of life goes up the attacks on Israeli's would naturally stop over time.

I'm not selectively applying international law. I already told you I don't give a fuck about legality. Israel has committed way more international law violations and too many atrocities for Palestinians to be expected to play by the rules.

I find your arguments quite entertaining.

You say the Brits had no right to impose decisions on the local people (ignoring the Ottomans were doing the same) but think the solution is to impose your decisions on the local people.
You say Israel must be held accountable for claimed violations of international law yet support Palestinians violating the same international law.

That's not even mentioning your ludicrous claim that the Brits forced Arabs to sell land to Jews that you 'proved' by posting about a law Israel made years after the Brits were gone.

You might have a very selective knowledge of history but at least you're entertaining.

After accepting the agreement, any Palestinians still resorting to violence would be dealt with by force like any criminal obviously.

How well have Israel and the PA been able to stop that violence?

 

[basketcase]

Yes Palestinian attacks on Israel are technically wrong. But it is also a bit like blaming the Iraqis of committing insurgency on American troops who have invaded their country.

If on the other hand, Israel was more equitable in their treatment of Palestinians and they still attacked, then I would unequivocally be condemning the Palestinians.

Technically? Love your moral code.

And you well know the examples I posted were attacks on Jewish civilians, not on Israeli troops. I have no moral problem with militants attacking troops and accept that when they do, they are combatants and not civilians.

If people keep accepting Palestinian militant attacks on civilians, there is no pressure on them to change to peaceful protest. Similarly if the international community ONLY puts pressure on Israel, the Palestinian leadership will have no motivation to look at peace. Thankfully Canada has no problem condemning terror groups no matter the excuses they use to justify their actions.

 

[basketcase]

Israel is apartheid.
You don't get to selectively apply apartheid because of your racist hatred of Palestinians and your claims about how genocidal they are.

Ah, the moronic accusations to try and defend your overt racism. I'm not the one who promotes terrorism from one side and obsessively condemns the other.

 

[basketcase]

Then you are racist for supporting apartheid.
...

Apartheid: A policy of segregation and political, social, and economic discrimination based on race.

The fact that Israeli Arabs have the exact same rights as every other Israeli disproves the claim. There is systemic discrimination in Israel against Arabs but that is true in Canada as well.

An Apartheid law would be one that says something like Jews can not purchase land or it is a capital offence to sell them land. Apartheid would be allowing Arabs Israelis travel freely through all of the West Bank but banning Israeli Jews. It could also be applied to Lebanon, and Syria who keep generations of Palestinians locked in camps, denied access to social services or certain professions.

And I see you chose to ignore the UN condemning gender Apartheid in Iran. I guess that Apartheid isn't important to you.

 

[Frankfooter]

Sounds to me like you're making excuses to not hold Palestinian leadership accountable for their choices. It is ridiculous that you guys think that some kind of peace can be established without the Palestinian leadership buying in to peace.

Why do you think Palestinian leaders are responsible for a 75 year old foreign occupation of their country?

 

[Frankfooter]

Ah, the moronic accusations to try and defend your overt racism. I'm not the one who promotes terrorism from one side and obsessively condemns the other.

I back both sides being held to the law equally.
I back equal rights.

You back apartheid.

And you have the nerve to call me racist?

BDS Movement

The Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions (BDS) movement works to end international support for Israel's oppression of Palestinians and pressure Israel to comply with international law.

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