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Frankfooter

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We both agree that the racist elements of Israeli society are vile and deserve to be condemned. Why is it you're incapable of condemning the vile racist elements within Palestinian society?
The government of Israel is vile and racist, ruling what could have been Palestine through apartheid and still actively colonizing their land.
When will you condemn them?
 

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The government of Israel is vile and racist, ruling what could have been Palestine through apartheid and still actively colonizing their land.
When will you condemn them?
The Palestinian leadership is even more vile and racist yet you only cheer them on.

Especially ridiculous because you've admitted you think Israel in it's entirety is really "Palestinian" land in your never-ending quest to delegitimize and demonize Israel, showing you have zero interest in equal rights.
 
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No, that is a straw man claim.
I have repeatedly stated that Palestinians have the right to self defence against an illegal occupation and ongoing, 19th century colonization and apartheid rule.
You repeatedly deny them this basic right and say its an attack on 'the Jews', its not, its self defence from a small group of rabid zionists, not the Jewish people.
Your repeated attempts to claim that zionism represents the entire Jewish people is an antisemitic trope, according to the IHRC definition you like.
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Do you know how stupid it looks when you call something a strawman and then immediately prove you said it?

You are on record repeatedly supporting attacks on Jews as a Palestinian right and claiming that any Jew in the West Bank is a valid target because there are some Jewish terrorists and "You can't tell them apart". Moronically you argue the polar opposite for Palestinian claiming that Israel shooting back at Palestinian gunmen is murder.


And it is more than idiotic that you feel the need to claim I support the c urrent Israeli government or settlers when I have repeatedly condemned their views and the terrorism from a small number of them. Meanwhile, your racist double standard has you claiming that it is racist to admit that Hamas, PFLP, PIJ, Al Aqsa's and other factions are terrorists, even when they admit to and celebrate murders of civilians.

I posted three recent stories that are indisputably racist terrorism; the killing of a kindergarten teacher driving home, the killing of two man at a car wash, and the firebombing of a Jew who made a wrong turn. Instead of admitting that these are terrorist attacks, you go on to pretend they are part of Palestinians right to self defence even though international law and the rights groups you pretend to respect are clear they have no justification.


You keep pushing racist tropes about Jews controlling US/Canadian policy while at the same time treating the Palestinians as infants, incapable of being criticized or behaving with morals.
 

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The Palestinian leadership is even more vile and racist yet you only cheer them on.

Especially ridiculous because you've admitted you think Israel in it's entirety is really "Palestinian" land in your never-ending quest to delegitimize and demonize Israel, showing you have zero interest in equal rights.
No, they aren't more vile and racist.
The PA actively works with Israel and is incredibly corrupt, but not racist.
Hamas' charter is not racist, nor are their acts of late.

Israel rules through apartheid, that is vile and racist.
Your own racist views on what Palestinian's think is immaterial.

 

Frankfooter

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Do you know how stupid it looks when you call something a strawman and then immediately prove you said it?

You are on record repeatedly supporting attacks on Jews as a Palestinian right and claiming that any Jew in the West Bank is a valid target because there are some Jewish terrorists and "You can't tell them apart". Moronically you argue the polar opposite for Palestinian claiming that Israel shooting back at Palestinian gunmen is murder.
No, I've stated that Palestinians have the right to self defence under an illegal occupation. They don't have the right to kill 'any Jew', only those militant zionists occupying their country.
Its like you're trying to argue that Ukrainians have no right to fight against the Russian occupation of Ukrainian land because you think its racist to attack Russians.

Why do you think Ukrainians have the right to self defence under an illegal occupation but not Palestinians?
The only reason I can think of is the same racism that has you backing apartheid.


And it is more than idiotic that you feel the need to claim I support the c urrent Israeli government or settlers when I have repeatedly condemned their views and the terrorism from a small number of them. Meanwhile, your racist double standard has you claiming that it is racist to admit that Hamas, PFLP, PIJ, Al Aqsa's and other factions are terrorists, even when they admit to and celebrate murders of civilians.

I posted three recent stories that are indisputably racist terrorism; the killing of a kindergarten teacher driving home, the killing of two man at a car wash, and the firebombing of a Jew who made a wrong turn. Instead of admitting that these are terrorist attacks, you go on to pretend they are part of Palestinians right to self defence even though international law and the rights groups you pretend to respect are clear they have no justification.


You keep pushing racist tropes about Jews controlling US/Canadian policy while at the same time treating the Palestinians as infants, incapable of being criticized or behaving with morals.
99 attacks a month, basketcase.
99 state backed attacks against civilians to defend an apartheid occupation.

When have you criticized the occupation?
When have you criticized apartheid?
 

basketcase

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No, they aren't more vile and racist.
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Abbas still going with his holocaust denial and blaming Jews.

And Hamas openly calls for ethnic cleansing of Jews. Only reason you don't want to talk to them is you agree with them.

And how about the Palestinian laws that forbid Jewish land ownership and make it a capitol offence to sell land to Jews? Are you going to pretend that's not racist?

Palestinian law allows free passage, access, and residence to Israeli citizens with Arab ethnicity but bans Israeli citizens of Jewish ethnicity. Seems to be the explicit type of apartheid you keep trying to gin up.



And since you like the UN (When the criticize Israel)
 
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basketcase

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No, I've stated that Palestinians have the right to self defence under an illegal occupation....
Terrorism or self defence?

Terrorism or self defence?

Terrorism or self defence?

Terrorism or self defence?


What are the odds that you will actually answer? I expect zero chance and instead you will just go back to your normal spamming and moronic accusations.
 

Frankfooter

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Abbas still going with his holocaust denial and blaming Jews.

And Hamas openly calls for ethnic cleansing of Jews. Only reason you don't want to talk to them is you agree with them.
I see them about as racist as you and some of the right wingers here. You repeatedly post antisemitic tropes claiming that the entire Jewish people support apartheid and for Palestinians to use self defence against those Israelis occupying their land is an attack on the entire Jewish people. That's an antisemitic trope. Hamas does not call for ethnic cleansing while Israeli MP's do.

Why do you think this makes them any less racist than you think Hamas or Abbas are?



And how about the Palestinian laws that forbid Jewish land ownership and make it a capitol offence to sell land to Jews? Are you going to pretend that's not racist?
Why should they not be able to have rules about selling land to the people occupying their country illegally?
Next you're going to say that Ukrainians don't have a right to say no to Putin buying farms in Ukraine.

Palestinian law allows free passage, access, and residence to Israeli citizens with Arab ethnicity but bans Israeli citizens of Jewish ethnicity. Seems to be the explicit type of apartheid you keep trying to gin up.
That's what Israel does, so you think its not racist when Israelis do it but it is racist when Palestinians do so? Are you going to deny the ICJ ruling on the 'apartheid wall' and its impact on Palestinian freedom of movement?
Its more of your apartheid views, like your support of Ukrainian's right to self defence against Russian occupation but that its racist for Palestinians to use their right of self defence against Israelis and the Israeli government.

 

Frankfooter

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Terrorism or self defence?

Terrorism or self defence?

Terrorism or self defence?

Terrorism or self defence?


What are the odds that you will actually answer? I expect zero chance and instead you will just go back to your normal spamming and moronic accusations.
I support taking those articles and submitting them to Amnesty, HRW, B'tselem and the UN to be taken to the ICC and investigated.
If they are found to be war crimes I fully support charges, trials and just punishment.

I support this call on both Palestinians and Israelis, so that both sides may be held to the law and your refusal to admit that the occupation is the source of all the violence.
I do not support you trying to label all Palestinian violence 'terrorism' and all Israeli violence 'self defense'.

Nor do I support your backing of the increasing violence against Palestinian civilians living under an illegal, apartheid occupation.
 

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Terrorism or self defence?

Terrorism or self defence?

Terrorism or self defence?

Terrorism or self defence?


What are the odds that you will actually answer? I expect zero chance and instead you will just go back to your normal spamming and moronic accusations.
grandpa…you’ve got your own extensive backlog of posts documenting the murder of Palestinians,, flat out psychotic racism towards Palestinian, ethnic cleansing, apartheid and violations of international law that you need to clear up before asking anything of Frankfooter.

When it comes to Palestinians you are deaf, blind and rabidly anti Palestinian.
 
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basketcase

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I see them about as racist as you and some of the right wingers here. You repeatedly post antisemitic tropes claiming that the entire Jewish people support apartheid and for Palestinians to use self defence against those Israelis occupying their land is an attack on the entire Jewish people. That's an antisemitic trope. Hamas does not call for ethnic cleansing while Israeli MP's do.

Why do you think this makes them any less racist than you think Hamas or Abbas are?





Why should they not be able to have rules about selling land to the people occupying their country illegally?
Next you're going to say that Ukrainians don't have a right to say no to Putin buying farms in Ukraine.



That's what Israel does, so you think its not racist when Israelis do it but it is racist when Palestinians do so? Are you going to deny the ICJ ruling on the 'apartheid wall' and its impact on Palestinian freedom of movement?
Its more of your apartheid views, like your support of Ukrainian's right to self defence against Russian occupation but that its racist for Palestinians to use their right of self defence against Israelis and the Israeli government.

Holy shit, back to your moronic posts about it being racist to condemn your anti-semitism.

But sure, keep denying the racism in the Palestinian leadership simply because you agree with them.

p.s. your excuses for Abbas' Holocaust denial pretty much checks one of the few remaining boxes on your antisemitic characteristics.
 
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basketcase

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I support taking those articles and submitting them to Amnesty, HRW, B'tselem and the UN to be taken to the ICC and investigated.
If they are found to be war crimes I fully support charges, trials and just punishment.

I support this call on both Palestinians and Israelis, so that both sides may be held to the law and your refusal to admit that the occupation is the source of all the violence.
I do not support you trying to label all Palestinian violence 'terrorism' and all Israeli violence 'self defense'.

Nor do I support your backing of the increasing violence against Palestinian civilians living under an illegal, apartheid occupation.
What a pathetic fucking joke you are with your racist double standard. You are completely unwilling to even admit that there are some Palestinians that commit terrorism yet demonize Israel based on any uninvestigated tweet.

And then you feel the need to blatantly lie about my views, trying to cast me as pathetically racist as you are. As I said, I have repeatedly condemned racism from the Israeli government and condemned racist terrorism from Israeli settlers.


BTW. There have been around 130 terror attacks or attacks on troops from Palestinians each month this year. I can get you ignoring the lower level like (mostly) Palestinian youth throwing stones at Israeli civilian vehicles but you are pathologically afraid to even consider criticizing the kind of terror attacks I've listed yesterday. Even if you hadn't already admitted you think it moral to attack Jews in the West Bank, your posts show your ridiculous racist double standard.
(though I'm sure you'll claim it's just all Jewish media propaganda)



p.s. Amnesty, HRW, and the rest have already agreed with me that attacks like the three last month I listed have absolutely no legal justification and violate international law yet you still try to pretend
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Frankfooter

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Holy shit, back to your moronic posts about it being racist to condemn your anti-semitism.

But sure, keep denying the racism in the Palestinian leadership simply because you agree with them.

p.s. your excuses for Abbas' Holocaust denial pretty much checks one of the few remaining boxes on your antisemitic characteristics.
Yes, I know, you think the posts below are about self defence, the most moral acts by the most moral army in the world, the holiest of holy ethnic cleansing and just elimination of terrorists, all who just coincidentally are Palestinian.
This is what you celebrate here daily.
Tell me again how being against apartheid is racist?



 

Frankfooter

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What a pathetic fucking joke you are with your racist double standard. You are completely unwilling to even admit that there are some Palestinians that commit terrorism yet demonize Israel based on any uninvestigated tweet.
I fully support taking Israel and Palestine to the ICC based on reports by Amnesty, HRW, B'tselem and the UN.
I fully support both sides being held to international law.
I fully support equal rights for all living under Israeli rule.

You call that racist.

ttps://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-system-of-apartheid/



 

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Yes, I know, you think the posts below are about self defence, the most moral acts by the most moral army in the world, the holiest of holy ethnic cleansing and just elimination of terrorists, all who just coincidentally are Palestinian.
This is what you celebrate here daily.
Tell me again how being against apartheid is racist?



 
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Frankfooter

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Basketcase is too busy looking for Palestinian resistance to the occupation he can label terrorism to have that even register.
That's why he can't see the forest.





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