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In the 21st century, anti-Zionism means anti-Semitism

basketcase

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That's right, 'my' rights groups call out killing civilians, here they are calling out Israel for killing 34 children so far this year.
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Nonetheless, they temporarily lose the protection provided for civilians for the duration of their direct participation (API Art. 51.3, APII Art. 13.3).

The kid who was shot today was killed after he stabbed someone in the back and tried to stab others. As international law says, he is directly involved in violence at the time and therefore a legitimate target.

And pathetically at the same time, you still argue that a Kindergarten teacher doing errands or two men at a car wash are somehow legitimate targets.

So armed settlers are not civilians? ...
So which if the stories I posted targeted armed settlers engaged in violence?

Outright racist double standard from a guy who's peace plan is to support terrorism.
 

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I call for investigations, charges and trials. On both sides.
No you don't. You immediately condemn Israel based on any social media post you see but refuse to condemn Palestinians even after your own rights groups have condemned them.

You cannot pretend to support action against both sides while completely refuting what international law says.
 

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Is that what you're calling settler attacks on Palestinian villages these days?
Self defence?

You sound like this.
Settler attacks on Palestinian villages are terrorism and I've said so many, many times. Unlike your stupidly partisan pretence of morality, I apply the same standards to both sides. I'm not going to pull any racist bullshit like your and claim that anyone is fair game because "you can't tell them apart".
 

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Karma? Are you saying that the 41 year old lived a life that 'earned' him a beating? Or do you not know what the term karma means?


BTW. Why are yuou afraid to comment on this? We both agree that the racist elements of Israeli society are vile and deserve to be condemned. Why is it you're incapable of condemning the vile racist elements within Palestinian society?
 

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And pathetically at the same time, you still argue that a Kindergarten teacher doing errands or two men at a car wash are somehow legitimate targets.
Where have I made such an argument?
You're lying, making the most disgusting straw man claims because you have nothing else to defend your support of apartheid and settler colonialism.

How are you any different from the people cheering in this video?

You claim you support civilians but do you support arresting the settler here or the women who tried to stop him abusing some kid?
 

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No you don't. You immediately condemn Israel based on any social media post you see but refuse to condemn Palestinians even after your own rights groups have condemned them.

You cannot pretend to support action against both sides while completely refuting what international law says.
Stop lying.
I call for both sides to be investigated equally based on third party human rights reports.

You defend apartheid, war crimes, settler colonialism and you most definitely don't support equal rights or both sides being held to the law equally.
 

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Where have I made such an argument?
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Gee, I posted the story of he getting gunned down while driving and you called it Palestinian self defence since "you can't tell them apart".

It's pretty pathetic because you are the only one supporting violence based solely on the religion of the victims. Talk about straw men.


Stop lying.
I call for both sides to be investigated equally based on third party human rights reports.

You defend apartheid, war crimes, settler colonialism and you most definitely don't support equal rights or both sides being held to the law equally.
So why do you refute the statements of international law when applied to Palestinians, why do you openly support attacks on Jews because "you can't tell them apart" and why do you ignore when Palestinian factions openly admit that they engage in and celebrate attacks on civilians? At the same time you're condemning Israel of for anyaccusation under the sun based solely on some tweet.


There have been 99 of these settler terrorist attacks a month this year.
How many did you post about this year?

zero
How many have I condemned? Every one you've posted. How many Palestinian attacks on Jewish civilians have you condemned? Oh that's right, you're too bust describing Palestinians terrorism as self defence and a Palestinian right.


p.s. Yes, I take terrorists killing people far more seriously than terrorists throwing rocks. So does Canadian law.
 

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Stories that are kryptonite to grandpa.
We both agree that the racist elements of Israeli society are vile and deserve to be condemned. Why is it you're incapable of condemning the vile racist elements within Palestinian society?
 

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Gee, I posted the story of he getting gunned down while driving and you called it Palestinian self defence since "you can't tell them apart".
No, not about that case.

It's pretty pathetic because you are the only one supporting violence based solely on the religion of the victims. Talk about straw men.
I support both sides being held the law.
One side is committing apartheid, an illegal occupation and settler colonialism.
One side is committing 99 state sanctioned terrorist attacks a month and you don't blame them.



So why do you refute the statements of international law when applied to Palestinians, why do you openly support attacks on Jews because "you can't tell them apart" and why do you ignore when Palestinian factions openly admit that they engage in and celebrate attacks on civilians? At the same time you're condemning Israel of for anyaccusation under the sun based solely on some tweet.
I don't, I call for both sides to be investigated.
You won't, you don't support equal rights and you don't support the equal application of law.

How many have I condemned? Every one you've posted. How many Palestinian attacks on Jewish civilians have you condemned? Oh that's right, you're too bust describing Palestinians terrorism as self defence and a Palestinian right.
No, you haven't.

Start with condemning this one or admit you support apartheid, settler colonialism and violence targeting civilians.

 
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No, not about that case.
Except you have repeatedly and claimed that it is a Palestinian right to attacks Jews, saying it is self defence because "you can't tell them apart"

I support both sides being held the law.
Bullshit. You say this only because you think Palestinian actions are legal despite explicitly being condemned by your rights groups and international law.
p.s. Actual international law

The Additional Protocols provided for the specific case of civilians who take a direct part in hostilities in both types of armed conflict (API Arts. 45.1, 51.3; APII Art. 13.3). They confirm that such people retain their civilian status and do not lose the protection that international humanitarian law provides for civilians, except during the period of direct participation in hostilities.

Civilians who take part directly in hostilities keep their status as civilians despite the fact that they directly participate in hostilities. Nonetheless, they temporarily lose the protection provided for civilians for the duration of their direct participation (API Art. 51.3, APII Art. 13.3).


That means that any person directly engaged in violence is an unlawful combatant ONLY WHILE THEY ARE ENGAGED IN THAT VIOLENCE.
Palestinian factions openly commit and celebrate attacks that violate these standards and you only cheer them on.

One side is committing 99 state sanctioned terrorist attacks a month and you don't blame them.
Wow, are you that desperate to distract from your racist views supporting Palestinian violence that you need to outright lie? Sorry guy but I'm the only one here who's condemned terrorism from both sides. You have openly stated you support Palestinian violence including acts that your own rights groups have called terrorism.


You are a desperate racist, supporting ethnic cleansing, openly stating you think all of Israel is illegally occupied Palestinian territory, and a Victorian type elitist who thinks the Palestinians need you to tell them what to do.
 

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This is a storyline that grandpa is mute on. Silence is complicity.

We both agree that the racist elements of Israeli society are vile and deserve to be condemned. Why is it you're incapable of condemning the vile racist elements within Palestinian society?
 

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NGO Monitor slams funding of ‘+972’ blog

BERLIN – The Jerusalem-based watchdog organization NGO Monitor sharply criticized a large German foundation on Wednesday for funding left-leaning online magazine +972 .

Heinrich Böll Stiftung, a German think-tank affiliated with the Green Party, provided 6,000 euros to the magazine, which uses Israel’s international calling code number as its title.

Professor Gerald Steinberg, head of NGO Monitor, told The Jerusalem Post that “Heinrich Böll’s decision to support +972 fulfills no humanitarian purpose and does not foster peace and mutual understanding.”

He continued that Böll “cannot justify funding an online magazine that targets English speakers and routinely presents biased, one-sided perspectives on the Arab-Israeli conflict. This funding helps provide a platform used to demonize Israel. +972 reporters and bloggers, for example, invoke the hateful ‘apartheid’ analogy. Why is German taxpayer funding going to this counterproductive activity?”

+972 is a blog-based web magazine that is jointly owned by a group of Israeli journalists and bloggers, whose goal, they say is to “to provide fresh, original, on-the-ground reporting and analysis of events in Israel and Palestine.”

One contributor, Haggai Matar, wrote in +972 blog in January, “Dozens of Popular Committee activists gathered in Jericho for a ‘freedom ride’: an attempt to drive their cars to Ramallah on the fast lanes of the apartheid roads meant for Israelis only.”

Critics, including NGO Monitor, have argued that applying the term apartheid to Israel meets the criteria of modern anti-Semitism because it seeks to strip the Jewish state of its legitimacy.

NGO Monitor slams funding of ‘+972’ blog - The Jerusalem Post (jpost.com)
 

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Except you have repeatedly and claimed that it is a Palestinian right to attacks Jews, saying it is self defence because "you can't tell them apart"
No, that is a straw man claim.
I have repeatedly stated that Palestinians have the right to self defence against an illegal occupation and ongoing, 19th century colonization and apartheid rule.
You repeatedly deny them this basic right and say its an attack on 'the Jews', its not, its self defence from a small group of rabid zionists, not the Jewish people.
Your repeated attempts to claim that zionism represents the entire Jewish people is an antisemitic trope, according to the IHRC definition you like.


Bullshit. You say this only because you think Palestinian actions are legal despite explicitly being condemned by your rights groups and international law.
No, stop claiming you know what I think.
Listen to what I say.
I support both sides being investigated both sides being held to the law.


Palestinian factions openly commit and celebrate attacks that violate these standards and you only cheer them on.
So do zionist Jews, including the leaders in the present Israeli government.
You have no problem with them.


Wow, are you that desperate to distract from your racist views supporting Palestinian violence that you need to outright lie? Sorry guy but I'm the only one here who's condemned terrorism from both sides. You have openly stated you support Palestinian violence including acts that your own rights groups have called terrorism.
No, you repeatedly call Palestinian self defence from an illegal occupation 'terrorism' in order to justify killing them and taking their land.
I support investigations on both sides based on legit third party reports.
I support BDS, not violence, though I support Palestinians in their use of violence against an illegal occupation.
I support the end of apartheid, you support more apartheid and violence.

You are a desperate racist, supporting ethnic cleansing, openly stating you think all of Israel is illegally occupied Palestinian territory, and a Victorian type elitist who thinks the Palestinians need you to tell them what to do.
No, I support the two state solution with equal rights for all, including everyone there having the right to vote.
You support apartheid, ethnic cleansing, violence and 19th century, racist colonialism.

 

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Human Rights Watch’s jihad against Israel



Human Rights Watch has once again exposed its unvarnished anti-Israel bias, this time by alleging that Israel systematically targets Palestinian children. The outrageous—and false—allegation was included in a new report published by HRW on August 28 under the title: “West Bank: Spike in Israeli killings of Palestinian children.” The report claims that “the Israeli military and border police forces are killing Palestinian children with virtually no recourse for accountability.”

Noting that HRW “investigated four fatal shootings of Palestinian children by Israeli forces between November 2022 and March 2023,” the report fails to mention that during this period Israel faced a massive wave of terrorism sponsored and funded by the Iranian regime and its Palestinian terror proxies, Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad.


The report also fails to mention that the terrorist groups have been recruiting Palestinian teenagers as combatants and sending them to kill Israeli civilians and soldiers.

It further fails to mention that more than 30 Israelis have been killed since the beginning of this year in a series of terrorist attacks in Israel and the West Bank. In the past two weeks, Palestinian terrorists murdered a Jewish mother of three and a Jewish father and his son in two separate shooting attacks in the West Bank. HRW did not issue a report about that.

One of the cases “investigated” by HRW is that of Mahmoud al-Sadi, 17, reportedly killed by Israeli security forces as he walked to school near the Jenin refugee camp in northern Samaria on Nov. 21, 2022. Notably, the HRW report does not mention why Israeli troops had entered the camp.

Were the Israeli soldiers bored and thinking, “Gee, might be fun to go shoot up a few kids today”? No. Israeli security forces entered the camp as part of a counter-terrorism operation designed to foil attacks by Hamas and PIJ. The Jenin camp has long served as a hub for Iran-backed Islamist terrorists who see themselves engaged in a jihad (holy war) to eliminate Israel. Several terrorists who carried out shooting attacks in the West Bank and Israel had come from the camp.


In the past two years, a large militia called Jenin Battalion started operating in the camp. Its members have since carried out constant shooting attacks against Israeli soldiers and civilians. The Jenin Battalion terrorists, who are heavily armed, are mostly affiliated with PIJ, an extremist Islamist organization responsible for countless terrorist attacks that have killed and injured hundreds of Israelis in the past few decades. There is no mention of this militia or its activities in the HRW report. Evidently, HRW does not want the facts to spoil its effort to slander Israelis by depicting them as child-killers.

The exact circumstances of al-Sadi’s death will never be known, since he was quickly buried by his family and other Palestinians in the refugee camp. The Israeli army said soldiers who were trying to arrest suspected terrorists had come under fire from Palestinian gunmen. Apparently, al-Sadi was killed in the exchange of gunfire.

While HRW presents al-Sadi as an unarmed teenager, Palestinians posted a photo of him carrying a M-16 rifle. Apparently such photos, where Palestinian teenagers are featured brandishing weapons and dressed in military outfits, are irrelevant to HRW.

Bizarrely, HRW does admit that the remaining three “children” allegedly killed by Israel were involved in terrorist attacks. Yet, as far as HRW is concerned, Israeli soldiers and police have no right to defend themselves when they are attacked with stones, firebombs and fireworks. Why? According to the logic of HRW, the perpetrators are “only” teenagers.


Does HRW really expect Israeli soldiers and policemen to ask someone who shoots at or firebombs them how old they are before shooting back? The other three Palestinian teenagers mentioned in the report— Wadie Abu Ramuz, Mohammad al-Saleem and Adam Ayyad—were not killed while in their beds, on their way to school or to buy bread for their moms.

Abu Ramuz, a resident of eastern Jerusalem, was fatally shot by police officers as he attacked them with fireworks. Al-Saleem, from the West Bank village of Azzun, was a member of an armed group called Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades. He too was killed while attacking Israeli soldiers with incendiary devices. Ayyad, a resident of Dheisheh refugee camp near Bethlehem, was a member of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) terrorist group. Ayyad went into battle intending to die, and carried a written will in his pocket. “God fulfilled my dream of becoming a martyr,” he wrote in the document. “Martyrdom is not only death. It is pride for us and the whole world.”

Instead of denouncing the Palestinians for using children as combatants, HRW is condemning Israel for defending itself against terrorism.


“Following a failed campaign by anti-Israel NGOs to get the Israel Defense Forces included on a United Nations blacklist of child rights abusers, HRW makes another attempt with their new report,” noted NGO Monitor, a globally recognized research institute promoting democratic values and good governance.

Arsen Ostrovsky, CEO of the International Legal Forum, said that “contrary to HRW’s malicious lies and gross distortions of truth and law, Israeli security forces only target Palestinian terrorists.” He added:

“If HRW truly cared about the welfare of Palestinian children, it would call out Palestinian terror groups for using Palestinian children as human shields, while the Palestinian Authority [headed by Mahmoud Abbas] continues to create a systematic infrastructure of incitement and glorification of violence.”

Each time HRW publishes an anti-Israel report, one cannot help recalling the damning criticism of the organization by its own founder and longtime chairman, the late Robert L. Bernstein.


In a 2009 opinion piece in The New York Times, Bernstein lashed out at HRW over its obsession with Israel:

“Israel, with a population of 7.4 million, is home to at least 80 human rights organizations, a vibrant free press, a democratically elected government, a judiciary that frequently rules against the government, a politically active academia, multiple political parties and, judging by the amount of news coverage, probably more journalists per capita than any other country in the world, many of whom are there expressly to cover the Israeli-Palestinian conflict,” he wrote.

“Meanwhile, the Arab and Iranian regimes rule over some 350 million people, and most remain brutal, closed and autocratic, permitting little or no internal dissent. The plight of their citizens who would most benefit from the kind of attention a large and well-financed international human rights organization can provide is being ignored as Human Rights Watch’s Middle East division prepares report after report on Israel.

“Human Rights Watch has lost critical perspective on a conflict in which Israel has been repeatedly attacked by Hamas and Hezbollah, organizations that go after Israeli citizens and use their own people as human shields. These groups are supported by the government of Iran, which has openly declared its intention not just to destroy Israel but to murder Jews everywhere. This incitement to genocide is a violation of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide.

“Leaders of Human Rights Watch know that Hamas and Hezbollah chose to wage war from densely populated areas, deliberately transforming neighborhoods into battlefields. They know that more and better arms are flowing into both Gaza and Lebanon and are poised to strike again. And they know that this militancy continues to deprive Palestinians of any chance for the peaceful and productive life they deserve. Yet Israel, the repeated victim of aggression, faces the brunt of Human Rights Watch’s criticism.”

Although Bernstein’s criticism was published more than a decade ago, HRW continues to prove that his every word remains as relevant today as it was then. HRW’s ongoing obsession with Israel, the only democracy in the Middle East, serves as a reminder that the organization is on the side of the terrorists who appear as committed to killing Americans (here, here and here) and other Westerners, as to destroying Israel and killing Jews.

As the United States approaches the 22nd anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, we see Islamic State virtually doubling the territory it controls in Mali, in addition to other terror threats.


The HRW reports are no less dangerous than the non-stop incitement to violence by Hamas and PIJ on Al Manar, Al Jazeera Arabic, or by the regimes of Qatar and Iran. Such reports provide ammunition to Iran and its proxies to pursue their murderous campaign against Israel and the West, and reveal that HRW is not all that different from the Palestinian terrorists and their patrons in Iran.

Originally published by The Gatestone Institute.

Human Rights Watch's jihad against Israel - JNS.org
 
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