Scared - need advice

[ns_coaster]

Ive received two of these in two years (total time in).

1. Its probably the girls themselves. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the "lovely" ladies are not always so soft and kind and are actually just there for the money. The reason I say this is because I've strayed far from the typical, low budget options and have stayed pretty strictly to Spas and reputable providers as seen through here and twitter- I will literally cancel any appointment if I get any bad sense at all- from sketchy neighborhood, to changing numbers, canceled twitters, rebrands etc. Reason being that a provider that takes some pride and has any sense of professionalism understands that building a personal brand is extremely important in this line of work. You live and die by the word of mouth- so its extremely costly to do anything that amounts to losing any of that. That has been my primary source of choosing a SP, and it turns out well for 99.99% of the time.

2. I just call the police and tell them this happened. I give them a phone number, time of messages, type of messages- one of the included a graphic photo or people and animals- and of course, tell them I feel safe. Why would I feel safe after recieving such a message? Well, simple. First, I give false information. Fake name. I use twitter's/email easy way to fake an identity- of course just the crucial- address, name, location etc. I do say my race, height and weight and all else they ask for. That way when I do get a message like that I know they are bogus because they don't even know my real name.

This is reinforcing that I need to be smarter, especially if I am out of town in an unfamiliar city.

 

[hellohello1]

Just curious, why a burner phone over a texting app like TextNow.

 

[massman]

Just curious, why a burner phone over a texting app like TextNow.

You can try with the apps, but increasingly many SPs and agencies won’t book with clients using text apps.

 

[Mrboobs]

keep your number, this will go away.
delete what’sapp cause they can see any profile pics you have and another info on there.
Get a burner, use one of your old phones.

 

[glamphotographer]

My advice is to stay off leolist.

 

[Roger"verbal"Kint]

It's a scam. Block them. Keep your number and bank accounts. And stick to reputable providers who have been reviewed a lot on this board. You might need to increase your budget to see these reputable professional providers, but it will be well worth it because you will have a great time with them, and you will avoid the anxiety caused by these kind of scams.

 

[William St]

About 2 years ago I was sort of in this situation. Went to see a new provider from Leolist and when I got in to appointment and after I paid, she said she need to take a photo of my id for her safety. Can't really argue that very well so I let her take the photo, immediately she goes ape shit and starts yelling at me that she is going to post my face online and contact people I know etc. etc. Needless to say I left, out the money and terrified I was going to see my picture on the news or something. Nothing ever came of it, I assume she was just scamming cash and this was her way to get you to leave. Since that experience my hobbying has gone from monthly visits to a variety of providers to only visiting someone I have been referred to specifically and since she retired 10 months ago I haven't seen anyone.

My advice don't take you wallet, ID, phone, watch, jewelry or anything but cash into the session. Some sp are honest, some definitely are not. And sometimes they are working in collusion with pimps, motorcycle gangs or bother bad actors. Use caution at all times.

 

[bushido_99]

I'm scared shitless and need some advice.

I just got a text from what appears to be a pimp.

"Listen well, this is Thomas, I contact you about a matter that is happening with several of my girls. Your Number has been reported because you were bothering them and that you are only wasting their time and their time is valuable here and it is also money, so that you are going to reach an agreement with me, do not try to avoid my messages because it will be worse for you, and you will have consequences for not having done things well for making my girl waste her time.. #!?"

Usually I wouldn't care, but given how interconnected everything is these days and data breaches, I'm worried he has ways to fuck with my life.

I know I shouldn't respond, but at this point I am terrified .I feel like my married life is about to get fucked completely because of this stupid habit

Any advice?

I'm already thinking cancelling my cell phone and start looking at changing /securing bank accounts.

Its a scam for sure. I get the exact same text as well from multiple different numbers.

 

[charbed]

You can try with the apps, but increasingly many SPs and agencies won’t book with clients using text apps.

I'd be curious to know how they can tell its an app...

I use one, and don't visit the provider if they ignore me or straight up tell me they don't respond to apps. I've had much success in contacting SPs even if the ad states no apps.

 

[massman]

I'd be curious to know how they can tell its an app...

I use one, and don't visit the provider if they ignore me or straight up tell me they don't respond to apps. I've had much success in contacting SPs even if the ad states no apps.

There are many ways of telling if the number is from a text app. Simple google search will tell you how.
Having said that, my experience is similar to yours. I won’t use my personal cell #, unless I know the provider very well, and I gave up my burner phone a while ago finding it a pain to keep it topped up, given that I only hobby infrequently. Helps that mostly I see regulars, and the odd occasion that I see someone new, one of those regulars could vouch for me as verification.

 

[Mrboobs]

Ive received two of these in two years (total time in).

1. Its probably the girls themselves. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the "lovely" ladies are not always so soft and kind and are actually just there for the money. The reason I say this is because I've strayed far from the typical, low budget options and have stayed pretty strictly to Spas and reputable providers as seen through here and twitter- I will literally cancel any appointment if I get any bad sense at all- from sketchy neighborhood, to changing numbers, canceled twitters, rebrands etc. Reason being that a provider that takes some pride and has any sense of professionalism understands that building a personal brand is extremely important in this line of work. You live and die by the word of mouth- so its extremely costly to do anything that amounts to losing any of that. That has been my primary source of choosing a SP, and it turns out well for 99.99% of the time.

2. I just call the police and tell them this happened. I give them a phone number, time of messages, type of messages- one of the included a graphic photo or people and animals- and of course, tell them I feel safe. Why would I feel safe after recieving such a message? Well, simple. First, I give false information. Fake name. I use twitter's/email easy way to fake an identity- of course just the crucial- address, name, location etc. I do say my race, height and weight and all else they ask for. That way when I do get a message like that I know they are bogus because they don't even know my real name.

Do not call the LE.

 

[charbed]

There are many ways of telling if the number is from a text app. Simple google search will tell you how.
Having said that, my experience is similar to yours. I won’t use my personal cell #, unless I know the provider very well, and I gave up my burner phone a while ago finding it a pain to keep it topped up, given that I only hobby infrequently. Helps that mostly I see regulars, and the odd occasion that I see someone new, one of those regulars could vouch for me as verification.

That's just it. I google my number every once in a while and there is no indication it is an app. Guessing the one time I was told straight up I was using the app is because the provider used a paid website. I get it, they need protection just as much as the clients do.

 

[busker]

I received a confirmation text one morning at breakfast from a well known provider, using one of those auto confirmation services. My SO saw the message pop up and found it weird that I didn't mention any appointments. A little investigation on her end, VERY little, and she was able to figure out what was going on. Its when we're complacent that we get busted. After that, investing $15 per month on a cheap burner phone was the logical thing to do. I dont want to mess around with text apps on my personal phone that are more easily accessed than a burner phone thats kept hidden and locked away.

 

[massman]

I received a confirmation text one morning at breakfast from a well known provider, using one of those auto confirmation services. My SO saw the message pop up and found it weird that I didn't mention any appointments. A little investigation on her end, VERY little, and she was able to figure out what was going on. Its when we're complacent that we get busted. After that, investing $15 per month on a cheap burner phone was the logical thing to do. I dont want to mess around with text apps on my personal phone that are more easily accessed than a burner phone thats kept hidden and locked away.

Fair enough. But I’d imagine if you disable notifications, place the app in a sub folder on your phone and sign out after you use it, you should be pretty safe.

 

[William St]

Ive received two of these in two years (total time in).

1. Its probably the girls themselves. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the "lovely" ladies are not always so soft and kind and are actually just there for the money. The reason I say this is because I've strayed far from the typical, low budget options and have stayed pretty strictly to Spas and reputable providers as seen through here and twitter- I will literally cancel any appointment if I get any bad sense at all- from sketchy neighborhood, to changing numbers, canceled twitters, rebrands etc. Reason being that a provider that takes some pride and has any sense of professionalism understands that building a personal brand is extremely important in this line of work. You live and die by the word of mouth- so its extremely costly to do anything that amounts to losing any of that. That has been my primary source of choosing a SP, and it turns out well for 99.99% of the time.

2. I just call the police and tell them this happened. I give them a phone number, time of messages, type of messages- one of the included a graphic photo or people and animals- and of course, tell them I feel safe. Why would I feel safe after recieving such a message? Well, simple. First, I give false information. Fake name. I use twitter's/email easy way to fake an identity- of course just the crucial- address, name, location etc. I do say my race, height and weight and all else they ask for. That way when I do get a message like that I know they are bogus because they don't even know my real name.

3. This is why I refuse, 100000%, to send money upfront, deliver my id photo, linkedin, or any other strict form of "screening." Its MY safety. And, because I know I won't do this, I don't even contact those providers. A Spa doens't ask for money in advance.

All so very true. Well put. And thanks for taking the time to do it.

 

[terminusz]

Sadly, yes. My own cell. I am that stupid.

I'm in the process of getting a new number.

Wait , you're not supposed to use your own cell phone !? So you guys use burner phone, where can I get want for cheap?

 

[massman]

Wait , you're not supposed to use your own cell phone !? Then how are you guys contact them, I genuinely can't think of other way (luckily I haven't had any experience like this but still)?

It’s up to you whether or not you use your own number, and the consequences if things go wrong. Many guys in this hobby are attached, so having SP numbers or messages on their regular cellphone could be a disaster if discovered. Others may use the number for work or a business and don’t want those two worlds colliding. As it stands now this hobby is illegal for customers, so many are concerned about a cell record linking them to the hobby in case LE got involved (however unlikely, since most police forces are turning a blind eye to the sex business, unless underage or trafficking is involved). If you have no concerns about the risk of using your own number (which could easily be connected to your identity) then go ahead. But there are many who want to maintain a healthy degree of separation between their real life and hobby life.

The other options for contacting are 1. Text apps (see discussion above) or 2. A second cellphone, “burner phone” where it is purchased anonymously and usually you pay as you go, rather than registering for a monthly plan.

 

[elkober]

My advice don't take you wallet, ID, phone, watch, jewelry or anything but cash into the session. Some sp are honest, some definitely are not. And sometimes they are working in collusion with pimps, motorcycle gangs or bother bad actors. Use caution at all times.

I was just about to say the same thing - I never take anything into the providers (not even an established MP) except cash. No ID…nothing. Also, per Roger above, I rely on reviews. Yes I’ve TOFTT but those are almost always established MPs. With a SP review, it boosts the confidence level the provider is real…meaning a real provider, not a scammer.

 

[Shannon Beth]

Get rid of your cell number. Change it, call your service provider, have it changed

 

[hrnyscrp1971]

I'm scared shitless and need some advice.

I just got a text from what appears to be a pimp.

"Listen well, this is Thomas, I contact you about a matter that is happening with several of my girls. Your Number has been reported because you were bothering them and that you are only wasting their time and their time is valuable here and it is also money, so that you are going to reach an agreement with me, do not try to avoid my messages because it will be worse for you, and you will have consequences for not having done things well for making my girl waste her time.. #!?"

Usually I wouldn't care, but given how interconnected everything is these days and data breaches, I'm worried he has ways to fuck with my life.

I know I shouldn't respond, but at this point I am terrified .I feel like my married life is about to get fucked completely because of this stupid habit

Any advice?

I'm already thinking cancelling my cell phone and start looking at changing /securing bank accounts.

It’s a pimp who thinks they are the cartels