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Dutch Oven

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So McConnell froze again yesterday...
Yes, I agree that he did. Something is seriously wrong. He should step down. His constituents can't be properly served if he is experiencing some kind of cognitive difficulty. And as soon as he does, so should Biden, Fetterman, and Feinstein.
 

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Having read your stuff for awhile, it doesn't surprise me that you think you have your arms around American's current values. What I have found is that in a diverse Nation of $335 million people it's hard to generalize about their values. This is no matter how much one reads or watches American news. In fact, it's very likely the more American news you read or watch the less you actually know about American's values. You will get quite a bit of the values of the editorial staff and commentators. You will also gravitate towards outlets that share your values.
Of course it is dangerous to generalize but it is not that difficult to discern general trends in values and it is obvious that the galues shared by.most Americans of both political stripes is very different than the long standing members.

Most Americans belive in at least some form of abortion, decrimnalizing weed, the dangers of man made climate change, striving for consensus, campaign finance reform and democracy.
 

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Having read your stuff for awhile, it doesn't surprise me that you think you have your arms around American's current values. What I have found is that in a diverse Nation of $335 million people it's hard to generalize about their values. This is no matter how much one reads or watches American news. In fact, it's very likely the more American news you read or watch the less you actually know about American's values. You will get quite a bit of the values of the editorial staff and commentators. You will also gravitate towards outlets that share your values.
Does the bolded above encapsulate your American values?
 
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Does the bolded above encapsulate your American values?
Oops I made a typo. Another member is also really good about pointing those out on people who don't share his values, but you beat him to it.
 

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Having read your stuff for awhile, it doesn't surprise me that you think you have your arms around American's current values. What I have found is that in a diverse Nation of $335 million people it's hard to generalize about their values. This is no matter how much one reads or watches American news. In fact, it's very likely the more American news you read or watch the less you actually know about American's values. You will get quite a bit of the values of the editorial staff and commentators. You will also gravitate towards outlets that share your values.
Well, that's why you have democracy. Even if there were only 100 people, they would divide in their views.

Most of us would go along with "majority rules", but somehow in the red states, the small bigotted, right wing minority always seems to win due to manipulation of the political system. Just ask Ohio.

And yes, the pundits will pundle and certain news outlets pander to different pandas. But it's not hard to figure out majority views on abortion, birth control and core issues like that.
 
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Oops I made a typo. Another member is also really good about pointing those out on people who don't share his values, but you beat him to it.
What I think is fun is ToGuy's reference to "galues" in post #46. Is that a reference to a new brand of feminism? LOL!
 

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Of course it is dangerous to generalize but it is not that difficult to discern general trends in values and it is obvious that the galues shared by.most Americans of both political stripes is very different than the long standing members.

Most Americans belive in at least some form of abortion, decrimnalizing weed, the dangers of man made climate change, striving for consensus, campaign finance reform and democracy.
They also believe in controlling the border more stridently, less racial preferences, limiting govt. regulation, limiting the growth of government and the power of govt. employee unions and enforcing/prosecuting crimes in their communities.

All these aims are also muted and thwarted by political power. I suspect Canada has powerful special interests that stifle popular sentiment. I don't think I'm going out on a limb to say that the more money there is at stake the more political interests will organize. Hence, this is a bigger problem in the U.S.
 

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They also believe in controlling the border more stridently, limiting govt. regulation, limiting the growth of government and the power of govt. employee unions and enforcing/prosecuting crimes in their communities.
So do the Dems. And unlike the GOP, they're actually competent.

Let's pick just one of those, Earp. How about the "enforcing/prosecuting crimes in their communities" ????... You got some stats? Cos I sure do. So let's talk about it.
All these aims are also muted and thwarted by political power. I suspect Canada has powerful special interests that stifle popular sentiment.
Like what, Earp?
 

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What I think is fun is ToGuy's reference to "galues" in post #46. Is that a reference to a new brand of feminism? LOL!
Dutchie, compared to the daily klown gallery of your many daily posts, ToGuy's typo is pretty minor.

Just a few minutes ago in another thread, you compared yourself to a Superior Court judge.
 
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Dutchie, compared to the daily klown gallery of your many daily posts, ToGuy's typo is pretty minor.

Just a few minutes ago in another thread, you compared yourself to a Superior Court judge.
All typos on a pooner board are minor, Kommandant. Some are fun when they are malapropisms or have interesting double entendres, or reveal hypocritical tendencies of posters etc., but otherwise they don't warrant any attention at all.

And (and it's always necessary to tighten your looseness with the facts) I didn't compare myself to a Superior Court judge, I spoke about how Supreme Court of Canada decisions need to be interpreted, so you should be accusing me of masquerading as a SCC Justice, I suppose. LOL! But don't worry, I won't be accusing you of the same!
 
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They also believe in controlling the border more stridently, less racial preferences, limiting govt. regulation, limiting the growth of government and the power of govt. employee unions and enforcing/prosecuting crimes in their communities.

All these aims are also muted and thwarted by political power. I suspect Canada has powerful special interests that stifle popular sentiment. I don't think I'm going out on a limb to say that the more money there is at stake the more political interests will organize. Hence, this is a bigger problem in the U.S.
They believe in comprehensive immigration reform, reasonable gun control including waiting periods and red flag laws. They belive in limiting government except when thy need the program and reducing taxes but they wany roads and airports and police and a stong military etc. Do you know anyone who does not belive in controlling crime etc. There is a difference of opinion as to how to achieve it but everyone supports it.
 

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Let's pick just one of those, Earp. How about the "enforcing/prosecuting crimes in their communities" ????... You got some stats? Cos I sure do. So let's talk about it.
Why would San Francisco recall the District Attorney? Why would other progressive prosecutors be threatened by recalls? Are these California voters losing their minds? The problems with prosecutors aren't real? These recall battles tend to be settled between progressive Democrats and moderate Democrats. There's no Fox News or conservative voices instigating dissent


The Biden Administration has had to distance itself from the more progressive elements in the party when it came to law & order. "The White House's recently announced "fund the police" measure confirms that President Joe Biden’s administration will not pursue the kind of transformative criminal justice reform many voters supported during his candidacy, despite his previous rhetoric." This initiative was opportunistically announced just prior to last year's midterm elections. I'm glad Biden showed some flexibility and ignored the progressive base, but that doesn't mean that's where urban Democratic strongholds are on the issue.


Since you want stats, how bout the stats cited in these articles. In the Chicago article, the new Mayor admits crime in Chicago is bad. By the way, U.S. homocides jumped over 28% in 2020 from 2019. They have not subsided.




You can glibly say Democrats want to control crime, but how they get there is held hostage by ineffective, progressive policies. Yeah, who doesn't want to control crime, but what you do about it matters.
 

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Having read your stuff for awhile, it doesn't surprise me that you think you have your arms around American's current values. ...
I agree. Just because we read opinion polls of Americans that are extremely divergent from (especially GOP) policy, we shouldn't have the right to talk about what those Americans want.
 

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Yes, my principle is - let's remove everyone who is not competent to do their job, but let's start that process at the positions where incompetence matters the most.

Your principle is - "you first". I don't think you realize how revealing that is about the disingenuousness of your own position.
If they eliminated all those that are incompetent you’d wack Gaetz, Marjorie, Jordan, Gosar…
 

WyattEarp

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I agree. Just because we read opinion polls of Americans that are extremely divergent from (especially GOP) policy, we shouldn't have the right to talk about what those Americans want.
If I had to rank the clever wordsmithers, here, you might be at the middle of the pack. That's not bad. However, this post lacks serious dialogue and just ignores my comments.

Getting back to the post, in the U.S. we have eightysomethings on both sides of the aisle. Regardless of their party affiliation, many are known for lack of compromise, opposing campaign finance reform, opposing term limits and aligning with special interest groups.

You're simply disregarding that Republicans received 50.6% nationwide and Democrats received 47.8% the 2022 House election vote. So clearly a one issue question opinion poll doesn't tell you a lot about American values and political sentiment comprehensively. I suspect the Canadian electorate is just as complicated, but it's easier to ignore that when making an argument here.

Of course, if Americans don't vote for someone you favor those 51% are simply despicable. They must be racist, stupid or just out of touch. It must be nice having so much pride and self-assurance in your political views. I've lived here a long time and I don't see things that sharply black and white.
 

WyattEarp

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Dutchie, compared to the daily klown gallery of your many daily posts, ToGuy's typo is pretty minor.

Just a few minutes ago in another thread, you compared yourself to a Superior Court judge.
Hmm (cough), you did see that Anabrandy pointed out my typo? It was funny and witty, but I want to point out you passed over it.

Dutch's was also relatively funny, but you felt compelled to comment.
 

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Hmm (cough), you did see that Anabrandy pointed out my typo? It was funny and witty, but I want to point out you passed over it.

Dutch's was also relatively funny, but you felt compelled to comment.
Oh, I'm sorry, Earp. Did you want me to comment on your typo as well?
 
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If they eliminated all those that are incompetent you’d wack Gaetz, Marjorie, Jordan, Gosar…
Seriously, do you really think the Far Left House members are all brilliant and competent?

The reality is if you can get elected to Congress you have to have some skill. From my perspective, the extremists on both sides are playing the same game.
 

toguy5252

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Seriously, do you really think the Far Left House members are all brilliant and competent?

The reality is if you can get elected to Congress you have to have some skill. From my perspective, the extremists on both sides are playing the same game.
I disagree with most of the positions taken by the so-called progressive wing but at least they belive in democracy.
 

WyattEarp

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Oh, I'm sorry, Earp. Did you want me to comment on your typo as well?
Perhaps try to find it in yourself to be consistent no matter who is posting. I was just pointing out the contradiction.

My bad was that I didn't give Anabrandy his due for his clever remark.
 
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