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Frankfooter

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Tell that to the governments of Norway, Canada, Australia, the U.K and
the U.S. to find out if they are in agreement with you. They have two things
in common, the 1st thing being they all believe in climate change and have
set the zero emission goal. The ark they are building are either for profit or
for energy security. Look to them to figure out the right thing to do to combat
climate change. These countries are all exploring and producing all the fossil
fuel resources they can lay their hands on before global climate catastrophe
strikes. Future generation will be saved if we deplete all fossil fuel resources
in our generation to help them achieve zero emission.
Norway, nationalized, took in $130 billion from their oil&gas industry and are well on the way to transition.
Alberta let the oil&gas industry take that money, gave Alberta a few tax breaks and is now cancelling renewables.

The oil&gas industry is more evil than the NRA.

Its winter in South America right now.
 

dvous11

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I think you hit the nail on the head.

The real issue for all the deniers is that it will cost money to improve things. Nothing more and nothing less.
Dude. Almost 75% of each dollar you earn ends up with the government who Mis-uses it and pays all kinds of over flared rates to fill pockets of their friends.
so now on top of that you want to pay even more for them to “fix the climate” of which the country contributes only 1.6% of the global number?
You’re either a globalist plant on a pooner board or just trolling and for the sake of it.
 

dvous11

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You're paying more for home insurance this year because of fires across Canada.
You're paying more for food because of crop failure, this year's crop is much worse.
Already those are costing you more than the carbon tax.
I’m paying more cuz the libtard feds printed 500 billion dollars and completely devalued our currency units causing wildfire inflation.
 

dvous11

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I think next is to write the CRA and say that you're only 0.0001% of the population so the country really doesn't need you to pay any taxes.
If the country was run efficiently like a business, we wouldn’t have to pay more than 20% tax and max a 5% sales tax.
 

shack

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I’m paying more cuz the libtard feds printed 500 billion dollars and completely devalued our currency units causing wildfire inflation.
I guess every other country in the world did the same. Inflation is not a "libtard" Canadian phenomenon caused by a "libtard" Canadian government.
 
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shack

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If the country was run efficiently like a business, we wouldn’t have to pay more than 20% tax and max a 5% sales tax.
Like Loblaws and the other gouging supermarket chains, or how the oil companies put us ahead of profits.
 

shack

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Of course it’s about the money.
do you want to pay more for being scammed?
What kind of idiot response is that 😂
Dude. Almost 75% of each dollar you earn ends up with the government who Mis-uses it and pays all kinds of over flared rates to fill pockets of their friends.
so now on top of that you want to pay even more for them to “fix the climate” of which the country contributes only 1.6% of the global number?
You’re either a globalist plant on a pooner board or just trolling and for the sake of it.
You could have saved bandwidth.

Just say "money is more important than lives". Just like the American Repugs.
 
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Mencken

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Hard to know where to set priorities. Use limited resources to mitigate effects, or use limited resources to try to reduce future warming. Based on 400 or so years of fossil fuel use and possibly other natural factors it appears there is global warming. But the same scientists say that the solution, even if we stopped using fossil fuels totally today, would take hundreds of years to effect a reduction. So what are we doing?
 

shack

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Hard to know where to set priorities. Use limited resources to mitigate effects, or use limited resources to try to reduce future warming. Based on 400 or so years of fossil fuel use and possibly other natural factors it appears there is global warming. But the same scientists say that the solution, even if we stopped using fossil fuels totally today, would take hundreds of years to effect a reduction. So what are we doing?
Good post. Very rational and balanced.
 

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Hard to know where to set priorities. Use limited resources to mitigate effects, or use limited resources to try to reduce future warming. Based on 400 or so years of fossil fuel use and possibly other natural factors it appears there is global warming. But the same scientists say that the solution, even if we stopped using fossil fuels totally today, would take hundreds of years to effect a reduction.
According to our climate leaders climate catastrophe are to be averted
with zero emission target set to be reached by 2050. At least that's what
it seems.

So what are we doing?
For credulous climate sheeple crying climate change, putting the label of climate
deniers and science deniers on those who are skeptical and voting in leaders who
promise zero emission will do the job. Meanwhile, continue driving and flying with
little inhibition so you can help to expedite elimination of Earth's remaining oil
reserves. Even more helpful would be for climate activists to continue badmouthing
oil producers until they are prohibited from raising capital in the finance world or they become too disreputable to do so. That way you can guarantee a collapse
of oil supply in the not-too-distant future. Also pray for Steven Guilbeault's success
in his climate mission to China. He will likely bring back good news akin to the
communists being happy to heed his advice to quicken emission reduction.
 
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Frankfooter

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Climate change bruh
I find the people who try to blame a massive global increase in wildfires totally disgusting.
They rely on opinion pieces that claim every fire started by humans is 'arson' even if its a campfire, hydro line, cigarette out the window or anything.
 

Frankfooter

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According to our climate leaders climate catastrophe are to be averted
with zero emission target set to be reached by 2050. At least that's what
it seems.
The IMF says the oil&gas industry gets $70 trillion a year in government subsidies.
You need to start paying reparations for the global damage.
Income, investments, pensions.....

 

Frankfooter

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Hard to know where to set priorities. Use limited resources to mitigate effects, or use limited resources to try to reduce future warming. Based on 400 or so years of fossil fuel use and possibly other natural factors it appears there is global warming. But the same scientists say that the solution, even if we stopped using fossil fuels totally today, would take hundreds of years to effect a reduction. So what are we doing?
No, scientists say we need to get to net zero and when that happens global temperatures will stop rising almost immediately.
It'll take decades for them to start going down, but at least they won't hit 3-4ºC by the end of the century and a thermal maximum longer term.
 

GameBoy27

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I can't believe you think only Canada has long distances to travel and that is special from the rest of the world.
You can't say that only developing countries should curb GHG's because there are more people there, that's a right wing/fossil fuel talking point designed to gaslight the rest of the world.
I never said we shouldn't curb GHG emissions or look to green technologies. I'm all for it. For example, phasing out the use of coal fired power plants. But there has to be a balance between what people can afford and what will actually make a difference.

I'm sure you're the guy that goes out to dinner with a big group of people and doesn't tip at all.
You're just doing a lot of justifying on why you personally shouldn't have to change anything, that's all that is.
You sure about that? You don't know me at all. Kind of a dick thing to say actually, not unexpected however . I've worked in the service industry. I have a lot of respect for servers and as a result, I tip very generously.

You're also wrong about me not wanting to do my part. In fact, my family's carbon footprint is actually quite small compared to many. So, once again you're assumptions are completely incorrect.

Unless the worst polluting countries, the leaders in GHG emissions make serious changes, what Canada does isn't going to change anything. That's not to say we shouldn't work towards further reducing our emissions. But it's laughable to think countries like India and China will look at Canada and say. Wow, see what they're doing? We should follow their lead.
 
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GameBoy27

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No, scientists say we need to get to net zero and when that happens global temperatures will stop rising almost immediately.
Scientists say "we" as in Canada, or the world needs to get to net zero? When you figure, since 1988, Canada has set its sights on eight different greenhouse gas emissions targets. Six of them have come and gone, and Canada never came anywhere close to meeting them. The next target is set for 2030, and requires Canada to get emissions to 55 to 60 per cent of what they were in 2005. Any way you slice it, sounds like a "stretch-goal" if you ask me.
 

Frankfooter

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I never said we shouldn't curb GHG emissions or look to green technologies. I'm all for it. For example, phasing out the use of coal fired power plants. But there has to be a balance between what people can afford and what will actually make a difference.



You sure about that? You don't know me at all. Kind of a dick thing to say actually, not unexpected however . I've worked in the service industry. I have a lot of respect for servers and as a result, I tip very generously.

You're also wrong about me not wanting to do my part. In fact, my family's carbon footprint is actually quite small compared to many. So, once again you're assumptions are completely incorrect.

Unless the worst polluting countries, the leaders in GHG emissions make serious changes, what Canada does isn't going to change anything. That's not to say we shouldn't work towards further reducing our emissions. But it's laughable to think countries like India and China will look at Canada and say. Wow, see what they're doing? We should follow their lead.
The tip comment is the same thing, its you claiming we shouldn't do our part because we're only a small part of the bill. Which is a dick kind of thing to do.
Canada is very per capita in CO2 output even if we aren't a big percentage globally. China and India will say if a rich country like Canada doesn't have to do their part why should a country that puts out way less per capita and isn't as rich have to do anything.

Scientists say "we" as in Canada, or the world needs to get to net zero? When you figure, since 1988, Canada has set its sights on eight different greenhouse gas emissions targets. Six of them have come and gone, and Canada never came anywhere close to meeting them. The next target is set for 2030, and requires Canada to get emissions to 55 to 60 per cent of what they were in 2005. Any way you slice it, sounds like a "stretch-goal" if you ask me.
We, Canada and the world, need to get to net zero and quickly.
1.5ºC warming is looking very bad, we're only at 1.2ºC and things are messed up.
2ºC would be very bad, 3º or more massive.

Scientists Warn 1 Billion People on Track to Die From Climate Change
 

barnacler

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Environmental scientist have been saying since about 15 years ago that the planet is heading to much more frequent natural catastrophe like fires, hurricanes, tornado, floods...

Now that it's happening the climate denier are switching their narrative that's it's all man made. Part of a worldwide conspiracy by our government...

Fuck our government can hardly all agree to repair a 5 kilometer road... How the fuck could they get together and plan all these catastrophe???
Actually it is NOt hapenning.
 
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