Do you believe in privilege? White privilege, etc?

[Adamxx]

Here is one such link. However, I think it may be to laborious of an effort for some to enlighten themselves.

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[Phil C. McNasty]

When visible minorities say they are proud, they are talking about how those accomplishments changed their lives or their ancestors, which paved way for their freedom, and therefore provided inspiration.

When a white guy talks about how white people invented everything, they are talking about, how he/she does not have any accomplishments and therefore are willing to take ownership of someone else's accomplishments to feel superior to non whites. Therefore racist

Ah, so its people who dont have any accomplishments of their own who cannot be proud of other successfull white people in your opinion.

But lets say (for example) I am very successfull and wealthy myself, can I then be proud of other successfull white people??
Or is that racist as well in your world??

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

White racial pride, regardless of what money you earn, because of other white people's achievement, solely because they shared a skin colour is racist.

OTOH if a black person feels pride for MLK, or Mohammed Ali, or any other black person from the past, that is not racist, because black people were oppressed and kept down. So pride in someone who challenged such racism, and oppression - which still exist today, is not racist.

This is because for a black person, it is both a painful reminder and an inspiration to look up to such people.

For you, it is about looking down on others, by bragging about how white people accomplished everything (while not doing anything of note yourself). I mean by the same measure, would you feel a deep sense of accountability, shame and guilt for slavery, segregation, the holocaust, colonialism and every other major oppressive historic event perpetrated by white people, or would you brush that off as something unrelated to you because you weren't alive back then?

It sounds to me like you're making excuses for a double standard

 

[dirtyharry555]

Racist as it tries to suggest that these things were created BECAUSE they were white and not discovered by people who just happened to be white.

It doesn't suggest that at all. That's your own biases seeping in.

Replace the word "White" with any other color and maybe you'll understand your biases. No suggestion is made regarding the cause of the invention. Simply that certain people invented them.

Do you also support the same thing that male privilege is okay because almost all those things were developed by men?

Again, his meme says nothing about privilege. This is another biases that you've invented from thin air when it doesn't exist.

But is it okay to be proud or grateful of men in the past for their gifts to civilization? I don't see why not.

(p.s. in a way your meme actually proves white/male privilege as they are mainly areas that weren't accessible by non-whites and women)

While your point about accessibility is true, it's because white males created the entire system that everyone is working in. It is no surprise that they would give themselves privilege.

Go to China and all the privilege belongs to Chinese because it's their system. Ditto for any group around the world where power resides in an ethnic majority.

 

[dirtyharry555]

There are no double standards. If anything refusal to accept responsibility and shame for slavery, segregation, the holocaust, colonialism and numerous other racially motivated crimes, while taking pride in accomplishments of someone else and assigning the credit to yourself because they shared a skin colour with you, is the double standard.

So it would be okay to both accept responsibility for atrocities of the past and the accomplishments of people of the past, who all share the same skin color?

There's no double standard in that scenario, right?

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

But is it okay to be proud or grateful of men in the past for their gifts to civilization? I don't see why not

This ^^

You can feel proud about the inventions white people have made to mankind without claiming other races are somehow inferior

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

There are no double standards. If anything refusal to accept responsibility and shame for slavery, segregation, the holocaust, colonialism and numerous other racially motivated crimes

Why should I feel responsible and shame for something other people have done in the past??

 

[dirtyharry555]

There are no double standards. If anything refusal to accept responsibility and shame for slavery, segregation, the holocaust, colonialism and numerous other racially motivated crimes, while taking pride in accomplishments of someone else and assigning the credit to yourself because they shared a skin colour with you, is the double standard.

Where are you from again? India?

Do you accept responsibility for the caste system that STILL exists to this very day? And what are you doing about it?

How about the persecution of Hindus?

By your logic, everyone should feel shame and accept responsibility for something from the past. And you're not going to skirt around it just because you now live in Canada.

 

[HungSowel]

Why should I feel responsible and shame for something other people have done in the past??

Why should you feel pride for something other people have done in the past?

 

[basketcase]

So if black people are proud of the athletic accomplishments of Jesse Owens and Muhammad Ali, they are being racist in your opinion??

If they are claiming their success was BECAUSE they were black then yes.

 

[basketcase]

... However, young white men a very underpriveleged in comparison, and are being punished for the sins of their parents, when it comes to things like university admissions and hiring. So thinking of white privilege as uniform across the board is highly inaccurate.
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Bullshit. Unless by punishment you mean that they have to now compete with women and people of colour.

 

[basketcase]

Ah, so its people who dont have any accomplishments of their own who cannot be proud of other successfull white people in your opinion.

But lets say (for example) I am very successfull and wealthy myself, can I then be proud of other successfull white people??
Or is that racist as well in your world??

Again, the dumb meme was attributing their success to their whiteness which is a racist claim no matter how you want to look at it.

Be proud of whomever you want. If you're proud that Mussolini made the trains run on time then go for it but anyone who says that ability is determined by the amount of melanin in your skin is racist.

 

[basketcase]

White racial pride, regardless of what money you earn, because of other white people's achievement, solely because they shared a skin colour is racist.

OTOH if a black person feels pride for MLK, or Mohammed Ali, or any other black person from the past, that is not racist, because black people were oppressed and kept down. So pride in someone who challenged such racism, and oppression - which still exist today, is not racist.
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Beyond skin colour, similar to being proud of JFK for being the first Irish/Catholic President or of Emily Stowe for being Canada's first female doctor.

 

[basketcase]

It doesn't suggest that at all. That's your own biases seeping in.

Replace the word "White" with any other color and maybe you'll understand your biases. No suggestion is made regarding the cause of the invention. Simply that certain people invented them.



Again, his meme says nothing about privilege. This is another biases that you've invented from thin air when it doesn't exist.

But is it okay to be proud or grateful of men in the past for their gifts to civilization? I don't see why not.



While your point about accessibility is true, it's because white males created the entire system that everyone is working in. It is no surprise that they would give themselves privilege.

Go to China and all the privilege belongs to Chinese because it's their system. Ditto for any group around the world where power resides in an ethnic majority.

I love these diatribes to distract from what was entirely meant as a post to show 'how much better' white people are.

 

[basketcase]

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Go to China and all the privilege belongs to Chinese because it's their system. Ditto for any group around the world where power resides in an ethnic majority.

No shit. But last I checked, I lived in Canada.

 

[basketcase]

There are no double standards. If anything refusal to accept responsibility and shame for slavery, segregation, the holocaust, colonialism and numerous other racially motivated crimes, while taking pride in accomplishments of someone else and assigning the credit to yourself because they shared a skin colour with you, is the double standard.

People today shouldn't be feeling shame or responsibility for those things done by previous generations but we sure can examine how we may have benefitted from it.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Why should you feel pride for something other people have done in the past?

Because it changed the world and made it a better place

 

[basketcase]

This ^^

You can feel proud about the inventions white people have made to mankind without claiming other races are somehow inferior

If you insist on defining them solely as white people instead of just a bunch of diverse people who happened to be white.....

Would you be just as happy with a list of things invented/discovered by gay people?

 

[Not getting younger]

I’m not sure how anyone could deny it. I was fortunate in that I spent time in Regent Park when I was younger and a delinquent. Had a lot of friends there. I would say most of them wanted out and to break the cycle. Probably knew more about what they face, than most of society back then. Even today to an extent.

When I finally grew up, and realized the path I was on in my early 20s. A family friend offered me an entry level job with TD green line on Bay Street. If I’d been any other pigment, not a chance I’d have gotten that job with my background.

Sure I had to work twice as hard as anyone else, prove myself for years before I climbed the corporate ladder. Doesn’t change the fact none of my friends would have been hired or given the chances I was there. Some never made it out.

 

[HungSowel]

Because it changed the world and made it a better place

So you feel shame for both world wars and the 2 nukes dropped on Japan? Because that changed the world and made it a worse place.