Hunter Biden heading for a trial

[Frankfooter]

Now the biggest Nepobaby is headed to trial.

Jared and his $2 billion?
Or rump and the $400 million his farther gave him to bail out his screwups?

 

[Butler1000]

Senile and stupid not quite the same as sexual assault and fraud.

Manchin and Sinema?

 

[WyattEarp]

Look, Mitchy. Garland is fairly smart and appointing special counsels is a routine day-to-day part of his job. And he's got a staff of a couple thousand super-smart attorneys. And helping appoint special counsels is part of their job as well.

Now how could those couple thousand super-smart attorneys - who do this shit every week - make a mistake so obvious and basic that a rightie moron creep on Twitter is smarter than they are?.....

It doesn't work like that, does it?

I think we are in uncharted territory here. So the Merrick Garland is smart argument and his staff is really super-smart is probably a weak partisan retort. Maybe they are even wicked smart but that doesn't change the political pressure obvious here.

 

[WyattEarp]

What gives you the delusion that you have any insight into average people, least of all Dem voters?

Are you relying on popularity polls of Joe Biden to reinforce your point of view? I'm fairly certain that people making strong arguments don't end them with .

That said, you think that the Dems you speak of will choose multiply indicted, proven fraudster and serial liar and his family of lunatics over Biden with one bad son who is clearly no longer "in business"?

That's a very narrow view of U.S. politics. This guy or that guy. I think if you are supporting Biden (this guy) you better hope he faces off against that guy. Joe Biden can't be campaigning and debating against someone twenty or more years his junior.

 

[WyattEarp]

I think when the trial occurs will be a factor. And what else gets released in the lead up, and is released during the trial.

People will draw conclusions.

This would be appear to be a measured response. However the progs here seem to think there needs to be a crime linking the President to draw blood. Simply dragging out the proceedings is bad optics for the Administration.

 

[WyattEarp]

The "liberal media" - whatever the fuck that is? - actually reports that Biden gets legislation passed frequently and competently. Unlike Trump, who was largely ineffectual. Biden is actually capable, due to his long years of high level experience in DC. The issue is that he's not as capable as he used to be and he will lose ability over the next 4 years.

Hence Gavin Newsom. Or whomever.

I don't think there's any sort of "liberal media" - whatever the fuck that is? - conspiracy to prop up Biden. They'd be just as happy with Newsom / whomever as well. It's Hillary Syndrome wherein anyone who challenges the Dem frontrunner - however compromised - is seen as a traitor to the party.

So what it's going to take is a health crisis of some sort to get Biden to step aside and let some alternatives emerge.

You seem to be bothered by the term "liberal media". Are you more comfortable with the term 'mainstream media"? I don't think there is really an argument that there is a somewhat biased faction of media that has supported President Biden since 2020.

The point is will the media that has supported Biden stick with him. In any event, Biden's team can easilty manufacture a "health crisis" to pave the way for a graceful exit.

PS- You do realize the U.S. has had partisan media since the 1800 election between Federalist John Adams and Democratic Thomas Jefferson. It kind of bothers me that people seem to take offense by this obvious construct.

 

[WyattEarp]

What cover up?

What crime?

I haven't seen any evidence of either. Is it possible that Biden got payoffs through Hunter?.... Sure. Are Ted Cruz, Lindsey Graham and Marje Green also getting payoffs?.... Maybe. Probably. So are a lot of other DC-ers. No evidence of that shit either. Yet. It's a slimy pond and it is filled with slimy toads. All of whom are slimy. And toads. Cos that's what pols do.

But you really need proof, don't you? Otherwise you're just wanking away over nothing.

You know who got caught influence peddling and is a corrupt son of a fuck?..... That orange-skinned, obese, peach-haired asshole guy who phoned Zelensky and tried to steal the 2020 election. He's not even clandestine about this shit.

Now what were you saying about "the cover up is worse than the crime again"?..... Was it kinda like my line about "wanking away over nothing"?

Who said the crime needs to involve Joe? Why does there need to be a major crime to be a cover-up? Do you really think the Watergate break-in was a crime? It also didn't involve Nixon directly.

As someone who likes to present themselves as knowledgeable of U.S. politics, please tell me you have a deeper knowledge of our history than you portray here.

 

[WyattEarp]

The "liberal media" - whatever the fuck that is? - actually reports that Biden gets legislation passed frequently and competently.

This is an interesting point that often comes up here in regards to Biden. Given our two and four year mandatory cycles, passing legislation is only the first hurdle. The ability to hold the legislature and also win re-election are key points for sustaining first-term legislation.

I'm sure you are aware that Biden didn't come into office with big legislative majorities and nor has he been able to expand them. I would say he has already lost Manchin and Sinema to some degree so how these Senate seats and their votes will go in the future remains to be seen. So Biden's legislative legacy is still in doubt.

 

[Butler1000]

This would be appear to be a measured response. However the progs here seem to think there needs to be a crime linking the President to draw blood. Simply dragging out the proceedings is bad optics for the Administration.

Its pretty simple. If he is convicted people will draw the conclusion Joe knew. And as he was ready to plead guilty the evidence is there. As has been pointed out, the Fed conviction ratio is quite good.

By the same token innocent and some will wonder if the fix was in, especially if its bungled in some way. And then the media, especially alt media will have a day. More people watch it now than the MSM anyway.

The plea deal and aftermath can and will sway a subset of independent voters.

As well a plea deal can still be had. But the scrutiny this time will be much larger.

 

[dirtydaveiii]

Exactly…but the GOP don’t care. They will just keep repeating the same talking points over and over.

You mean like benghazi and uranium one?

 

[mandrill]

This is an interesting point that often comes up here in regards to Biden. Given our two and four year mandatory cycles, passing legislation is only the first hurdle. The ability to hold the legislature and also win re-election are key points for sustaining first-term legislation.

I'm sure you are aware that Biden didn't come into office with big legislative majorities and nor has he been able to expand them. I would say he has already lost Manchin and Sinema to some degree so how these Senate seats and their votes will go in the future remains to be seen. So Biden's legislative legacy is still in doubt.

Manchin and Sinema were always a problem and that's got little to do with Biden. And mid terms usually swing against the administration.

In fact, weren't you and your colleagues talking about the "Red Tsunami" that would sweep the Senate and House away with massive GOP majorities last year?.... What exactly happened there, Earp?

 

[mandrill]

Who said the crime needs to involve Joe? Why does there need to be a major crime to be a cover-up? Do you really think the Watergate break-in was a crime? It also didn't involve Nixon directly.

But isn't that the whole point of using Hunter and his foibles?

Fox and the rightie echo-sphere have been trying to implicate Joe for months now. If this was all about some nepo kid with a coke habit who fucks strippers, who would give a fuck?!

The whole sell is that somehow the money got funneled to Joe.

As someone who likes to present themselves as knowledgeable of U.S. politics, please tell me you have a deeper knowledge of our history than you portray here.

Exactly how is my knowledge of US history deficient, Earpy?

Given your status as "TERB's intellectual presence", maybe you can suggest ways I can improve my own intellectual abilities and raise them to your own elevated level. Suggest something and we'll have a little discussion...

 

[kherg007]

If those morons had Hunter dead to rights you don't think we would have had that evidence put forth???
Trump is dead to rights on the documents.
Dead to rights on Georgia.
About to find out Jan 6.

 

[mandrill]

You seem to be bothered by the term "liberal media". Are you more comfortable with the term 'mainstream media"? I don't think there is really an argument that there is a somewhat biased faction of media that has supported President Biden since 2020.

I just wonder about your definition of those terms. Is it all those media outlets who don't suck Trump's cock? Is it all media except Fox and Ben Shapiro?

Can you be specific?

The point is will the media that has supported Biden stick with him.

Not necessarily. I think that the NYT might be a little more objective than Fox News about these things. You agree with that?

PS- You do realize the U.S. has had partisan media since the 1800 election between Federalist John Adams and Democratic Thomas Jefferson. It kind of bothers me that people seem to take offense by this obvious construct.

Earpy, people don't take offence. That's just your own martyr complex kicking in.

Here's your REAL problem. Sure, media outlets are often party-aligned. MSN roots Dem for instance. The NYT and Post are probably non-aligned, as are many other outlets that you would try and argue are "liberal media".

It's your continual attempts at false equivalence that are comical. For instance, the GOP is supported by Fox News, an outlet so blatantly false, unethical and irresponsible that it recently paid a $700M libel award - based on deliberately lying to prop up Trump and the 2020 Election lie. Now MSN, the NYT, the Post, CNN and all the "liberal media" that you hate so much have never had to pay $700M for lying, have they Earp?

Mehdi Hassan is anti Trump, sure. But he's never got MSN sued to $700M the way Ingraham, Hannitty and Carlson did, has he?

In fact, trying to pretend that Hassan is on the same level as the Fox crew is like trying to pretend that a dude who got in a little push and shove outside a bar is as evil and violent as Jeffrey Dahmer. Isn't that right, Earp?

And this is why Frankie laughs at you so much. You try so hard and your points are so weak.

 

[mandrill]

I think we are in uncharted territory here. So the Merrick Garland is smart argument and his staff is really super-smart is probably a weak partisan retort. Maybe they are even wicked smart but that doesn't change the political pressure obvious here.

You missed the point.

Mitch quoted some far right Twitter dickhead who said that the Weiss appointment contradicted some law and I told Mitch that it would be unlikely that Garland and the DoJ made the basic mistake that was alleged. Mitch argued for several posts. He will probably to continue to argue for another week or so.

If you go re-read what I wrote, you'll probably get it on the second or third try.

 

[dirtydaveiii]

Rudy went to court with the claims of some nut on

You missed the point.

Mitch quoted some far right Twitter dickhead who said that the Weiss appointment contradicted some law and I told Mitch that it would be unlikely that Garland and the DoJ made the basic mistake that was alleged. Mitch argued for several posts. He will probably to continue to argue for another week or so.

If you go re-read what I wrote, you'll probably get it on the second or third try.

Well Rudy actually went to court with a conspiracy of some random youtube blogger

 

[WyattEarp]

You mean like benghazi and uranium one?

I'm curious as to why you think any of that is similar to the Hunter legal problems.

The Republicans aren't directly involved with the legal proceedings. CNN said it was a mess. WaPo said it complicates Joe's campaign.

This shitshow has Hunter, Garland and Weiss as the main performers.

 

[WyattEarp]

Manchin and Sinema were always a problem and that's got little to do with Biden. And mid terms usually swing against the administration.

In fact, weren't you and your colleagues talking about the "Red Tsunami" that would sweep the Senate and House away with massive GOP majorities last year?.... What exactly happened there, Earp?

I believe I was talking about slim legislative majorities here. They never existed. Not in 2020 and less so in 2022.

The rousing idea that Joe Biden had America behind him in his legislative initiatives is political imagination..

 

[dirtydaveiii]

I'm curious as to why you think any of that is similar to the Hunter legal problems.

The Republicans aren't directly involved with the legal proceedings. CNN said it was a mess. WaPo said it complicates Joe's campaign.

This shitshow has Hunter, Garland and Weiss as the main performers.

Republicans know that just having investigations no matter how ridiculous they are is almost as good as having a real investigation. To their blood hungry base it really doesn't make any difference. Hunters case is completely irrelevant but the right wing keeps it front and center for 5 years because that is all they have. It's like when Marge Greene files motions to impeach old Joe for nothing - any rational person knows its a bunch of horse shit but their base is not rational. Marge Greene filing these is just as effective as an actual impeachment. It's all smoke and mirror political posturing. The Hunter biden tax filing and gun possession has taken on a whole life of its own. From what i can tell the judge rejected the plea deal because it exposed Hunter to future litigation if the gop happened to win the presidency. This is truly a weapon iced DOJ in action. By letting these proceedings go through joe shows his administration believes in law and justice. The right wing will use anything they can to lie and slander. This ruling is no differen, just another right wing clean show

 

[Frankfooter]

This would be appear to be a measured response. However the progs here seem to think there needs to be a crime linking the President to draw blood. Simply dragging out the proceedings is bad optics for the Administration.

Allowing an independent investigation shows that Biden supports an independent judiciary and this kills rump's arguments that his multiple suits are political.