Need to ask the hard questions

[Goodoer]

1. I'm not worried about legal trouble. I stick with Agencies or established providers.
2. Only my best friend knows. He's a Rub & Tug connoisseur.
3. I'm married.
4. I make good/decent money (6-figures). I don't have 52 SP appointments per year, but I see enough SPs to take the edge off. Moving money around is easy.
5. Even though I'm married, I'm lonely. I'd have a side GF if it made sense... I'd love the truer connection, but the difficulties and costs (time and money) would become apparent and the entire situation would come crashing down. Seeing a SP is just so much easier. While I miss out on the real connection, at least I get to be with a women. Tits in your mouth while a warm pussy fucks you relieves a lot of stress!

 

[bigkarl]

I would just like the chime in with some suggestions: for anyone looking to get into a great career to earn more money - if you are interested in Computers and pretty good at studying and staying motivated - Working in IT as a Software engineer, cloud engineer, devops engineer, systems engineer, or network engineer are all jobs that pay over 100k a year and don't require any college or university.
I am a highschool dropout - I currently make 195k/year as Devops Engineer at 27 years old, I've only been in the industry for 5 years.

So look into that - I used Leolist as my motivation to study. Every time I made an achievement, a new job, or I hit a goal for amount of hours to study per week - I would reward myself with an escort.

Working remote is also a plus, because I order escorts to my condo and I can have fun while I get paid

to answer the questions:
1. No
2. I only tell people on forums like this, or video games
3. When I'm single, I LOVE escorts, in relationships, I stayed faithful to all my previous girlfriends, but things changed with my current one... I made a mistake with my girlfriend now by letting her move into my house, and she does not pay rent, bills, doesn't help around the house. I clean up after her, I cook for her, I drive her to her hair and nail salons and parties which I pay for her... and I have become her dad. It's been this way for 8 months now, and I am starting to resent her because she has recently become overly jealous. She gets mad if I talk to my female co-workers, not flirting, just work... so, I tried to break up with her several times, but she won't leave the house because she knows if she leaves, she won't be living in a nice house being pampered as much as she currently is. Which is of course my fault. So anyways, she was very hot at first, she still is hot, but I get turned off by her, so I try to kick her out, she doesn't go, so I see escorts.
4. I make 12k/month after taxes, and I spend about 1000-2000 a month on this hobby.
5. When I'm single, I love ALL women. I indulge and fully appreciate all types - ages 20-60 years old, skinny, curvy, high class girls, hood girls, white, black, asian, latina, blonde hair, green hair, you name it.
In relationships I stay loyal - with my current one as an exception as I've already broken up with her several times but she just wont leave. Literally leaching my money, focus, mood, and sometimes my cum.

Sorry, those professions don’t needy post secondary education? How would one proceed if I may ask?

 

[jeff2]

Learned at an early age - if it's got tits or wheels it's bound to cost you money...

At least you can change the oil on the one with wheels.

 

[chodge]

FWB - some have all the luck others don't. So it's easier to just pay for it.

 

[jeff2]

In Toronto there is a thing called ERA/Electronic Recycling Association. They openly take walk in volunteers. I started in 2018, I volunteered for a few months - I logged all my hours which you can use as "credits" to buy some equipment at the center.
So I was actually able to build my own custom PCs there, and I put on my resume that I was a computer technician for them and they were my references. I was living with my mom at the time without a job, so I was working for free for this company for 8 hours a day - 5 days a week.

During my time there I would apply for Help Desk, Desktop Support, IT Support and Service Desk positions. I ended up landing a job after a few months making 25$/hour as Desktop support. I worked there for 1 year, after that I got a job 17$/hour as a Network Admin - which sounds shit but was actually very lucky. I think they only hired me because I was the only one willing to accept the low salary... but putting in on my resume was great for my experience. I then got something called "CCNA certification" its an exam you can take online after you self study. There are lots of free youtube courses, and if you want to pay 100$ or so, you can buy something called an exam dump, where you just memorize the Q's and A's of the exam and study all the topics that way.

So anyways, I was making 17$/hour as a network admin for 10 months and I got my CCNA, my next job was a System admin for 40$/hour ... huge jump. During this job I got an AZ-104 cert, AZ-900, AZ-303.

I worked there for 10 months - and then I got a job as a Network/Systems admin for a startup at 50$/hour.
I didnt quit my other job, they were both remote, so I was making 90$/hour. And the startup taught me all about Kubernetes, Grafana, Nagios, Python, Fluentd, NGINX, Git, Jenkins, Elastic Stack... so I actually just changed the job title on my resume and Linkedin to "DevOps engineer" since that was basically what I was doing.

after working for 8 months the startup actually fell apart and I lost the job, so I was back to my 40$/hour job, but I got a second job at 40$/hour at a fortune 500 company called "CGI" as a DevOps engineer.

I was there for maybe 2 years. but I also found a second job with the Government of BC as a DevOps Engineer as well at 55$/hour - so I was doing 2 remote jobs again at 95$/hour. I did that for a year - and in the meantime I got a VPN router and setup a server in Canada in Azure and I went to Europe, South America and Asia for 6 months before coming back to Toronto.

During my time there I actually decided to quit one job so I can focus on relaxing in Thailand, and I quit the 40$/hour job instead of the 55$/hour job. However, 3 months after I quit, my 55$/hour job went through mass layoffs and I lost my job.

Luckily I've been making stupid money so I just sat in thailand paying 600$/month for my luxury condo while I interviewed for a new job.

I landed a new job within 3 weeks of being unemployed - the job I currently work today is Azure Cloud Analyst at 70$/hour fully remote. I had to come back to canada to pickup my laptop, so im sticking around until Christmas to celebrate with family, and after that im going back to Thailand.

The next certs on my list are Kubernetes Admin, Terraform Admin, AZ-400, AZ-500, AZ-700
Will take over a year to get them all, but its a work in progress.


I have no highschool, no college, no nothing. Just a lot of hard work, persistence and never giving up.
I studied like 20-60 hours a week beside my work for the last 5 years. I been really at it.
I'm also not the smartest guy, my IQ is maybe 110-120.
If you like computers, and you wanna work hard and do it - you can do it too.

Amazing stuff!

 

[Not getting younger]

If you really want to get a girlfriend, just come up with a self improvement plan and execute it. And based on your end goal [of self improvement], aim for a reasonable girl that fits your new sexual market value. Just stay away from single mothers. They may be easier to catch, but they’re too much of liability long term. And stay off online dating sites. That game is rigged.

Think positive. We men live for projects. It’s what we do.

Don’t entirely disagree. But do, in so much as the vast majority of women in real life no matter where they are “on some stupid scale of looks etc”, will value self esteem and self confidence before dad bods, and physiques. If they don’t, then they aren’t worth getting into a relationship with………In other words, be comfortable in your own skin..

Ditto women. if they need a ton of plastic surgery to feel valuable, and their own self confidence. Not worth it…

 

[Not getting younger]

Copied someone else’s to save typing.

1. I'm not worried about legal trouble. I stick with Agencies or established providers.

2. no-one

3. I'm married. Cancer took all her lady parts and more…..so..

4. too each their own. I’m low frequency ( outside of trying to find a few regulars)

5. What I do for a living is physically mentally, emotionally challenging. Periodically I may feel like I need to relieve stress in non traditional ways, and/or just the “touch of a woman” to remind me of some things. Call it, decompressing.

 

[bigkarl]

In Toronto there is a thing called ERA/Electronic Recycling Association. They openly take walk in volunteers. I started in 2018, I volunteered for a few months - I logged all my hours which you can use as "credits" to buy some equipment at the center.
So I was actually able to build my own custom PCs there, and I put on my resume that I was a computer technician for them and they were my references. I was living with my mom at the time without a job, so I was working for free for this company for 8 hours a day - 5 days a week.

During my time there I would apply for Help Desk, Desktop Support, IT Support and Service Desk positions. I ended up landing a job after a few months making 25$/hour as Desktop support. I worked there for 1 year, after that I got a job 17$/hour as a Network Admin - which sounds shit but was actually very lucky. I think they only hired me because I was the only one willing to accept the low salary... but putting in on my resume was great for my experience. I then got something called "CCNA certification" its an exam you can take online after you self study. There are lots of free youtube courses, and if you want to pay 100$ or so, you can buy something called an exam dump, where you just memorize the Q's and A's of the exam and study all the topics that way.

So anyways, I was making 17$/hour as a network admin for 10 months and I got my CCNA, my next job was a System admin for 40$/hour ... huge jump. During this job I got an AZ-104 cert, AZ-900, AZ-303.

I worked there for 10 months - and then I got a job as a Network/Systems admin for a startup at 50$/hour.
I didnt quit my other job, they were both remote, so I was making 90$/hour. And the startup taught me all about Kubernetes, Grafana, Nagios, Python, Fluentd, NGINX, Git, Jenkins, Elastic Stack... so I actually just changed the job title on my resume and Linkedin to "DevOps engineer" since that was basically what I was doing.

after working for 8 months the startup actually fell apart and I lost the job, so I was back to my 40$/hour job, but I got a second job at 40$/hour at a fortune 500 company called "CGI" as a DevOps engineer.

I was there for maybe 2 years. but I also found a second job with the Government of BC as a DevOps Engineer as well at 55$/hour - so I was doing 2 remote jobs again at 95$/hour. I did that for a year - and in the meantime I got a VPN router and setup a server in Canada in Azure and I went to Europe, South America and Asia for 6 months before coming back to Toronto.

During my time there I actually decided to quit one job so I can focus on relaxing in Thailand, and I quit the 40$/hour job instead of the 55$/hour job. However, 3 months after I quit, my 55$/hour job went through mass layoffs and I lost my job.

Luckily I've been making stupid money so I just sat in thailand paying 600$/month for my luxury condo while I interviewed for a new job.

I landed a new job within 3 weeks of being unemployed - the job I currently work today is Azure Cloud Analyst at 70$/hour fully remote. I had to come back to canada to pickup my laptop, so im sticking around until Christmas to celebrate with family, and after that im going back to Thailand.

The next certs on my list are Kubernetes Admin, Terraform Admin, AZ-400, AZ-500, AZ-700
Will take over a year to get them all, but its a work in progress.


I have no highschool, no college, no nothing. Just a lot of hard work, persistence and never giving up.
I studied like 20-60 hours a week beside my work for the last 5 years. I been really at it.
I'm also not the smartest guy, my IQ is maybe 110-120.
If you like computers, and you wanna work hard and do it - you can do it too.

that’s amazing. I currently make 50/hour working for the city I live in. City services is steady, but man alive does it take a toll on ones inner peace.

 

[goalie000]

As someone who is very, very, very new to this whole part of the internet I can't help but have questions on my mind. I hope I can ask them without breaking some unspoken rule.

1. Are you ever worried about legal trouble?

2. Do your friends, families, know about this?

3. Are you guys single or in relationships?

4. How do you manage the expenses? For instance, let's assume a guy with a girlfriend has sex once a week (very modest assumption). To meet the same volume of sex, you'd need to have 52 appointments per year and if each appointment is $200 that is $10,400 per year to have sex.

5. The most important question. Why do you guys hire escorts, when you could fuck a girlfriend/wife for free? I guess everyone gets into this community for a different reason. Some guys have so much money and not much to do with it. Other guys are lonely and too ugly/uninteresting for regular dating so they have to pay. Other guys went through a nasty divorce and think the emotional investment needed to have free-sex isn't worth it so they pay instead. I'm curious as to what your reasons are if you're okay sharing.

1. No
2. No
3. Relationship
4. Don’t worry about it! At the height of participation well over 10k a year
5. Variety

 

[bigkarl]

the endless studying - zoom meetings - interview preps - IT problems. . I feel that.
It’s a good pay off selling my soul and inner peace for a half decent living, but that’s life I guess. I was born with a plastic spoon in my mouth so i feel like I got way further than expected already.

I don’t wanna sound like I’m complaining, because I know I’ve made it to a level and career that is way better than what my life used to be and what other people live through.
But in the end, all I am is a more comfortable, slightly richer slave.
I still love it tho, I worked hard to get here, it’s paid off and I’m happy.

Good on you, plastic spoon? That some feat, I born eating dirt and grass. I’ve done it all with what’s between my two ears, I’ve been told
Light goes right through. I’m stuck in a rut currently, career wise. Don’t Wana stay where I am, but moneys easy.

 

[star003]

As someone who is very, very, very new to this whole part of the internet I can't help but have questions on my mind. I hope I can ask them without breaking some unspoken rule.

1. Are you ever worried about legal trouble?

2. Do your friends, families, know about this?

3. Are you guys single or in relationships?

4. How do you manage the expenses? For instance, let's assume a guy with a girlfriend has sex once a week (very modest assumption). To meet the same volume of sex, you'd need to have 52 appointments per year and if each appointment is $200 that is $10,400 per year to have sex.

5. The most important question. Why do you guys hire escorts, when you could fuck a girlfriend/wife for free? I guess everyone gets into this community for a different reason. Some guys have so much money and not much to do with it. Other guys are lonely and too ugly/uninteresting for regular dating so they have to pay. Other guys went through a nasty divorce and think the emotional investment needed to have free-sex isn't worth it so they pay instead. I'm curious as to what your reasons are if you're okay sharing.

this is really an interesting thread after long time, specially your 4th question is a eye opener for me, i never calculated the sum total for the year. really??? only 10k for the year? gf/wife costs way more my friend.

 

[waymid]

this is really an interesting thread after long time, specially your 4th question is a eye opener for me, i never calculated the sum total for the year. really??? only 10k for the year? gf/wife costs way more my friend.

Agreed.

 

[LC18]

There’s no such thing as free sex. Even if you’re not directly paying for it.

If you go on a date with your FWB and pay the bill, it’s almost the same just cheaper and you don’t have to worry about time.

From my experience (the Gentlemen that book me), it could be more expensive to be married or have a girlfriend and you’ll have sex less often. Divorcing isn’t always an option so a lot of men cheat and have “happy ish” marriages.

 

[xix]

There's no such thing as free sex.

In a way there is a I have seen it, but you have to listen to the chick for an hour tops. Then again I worked at a camp resort and seen a few things. Some spoke for an hour although they seen themselves there for 2-4 months while working.

 

[coolmanfever]

As someone who is very, very, very new to this whole part of the internet I can't help but have questions on my mind. I hope I can ask them without breaking some unspoken rule.

1. Are you ever worried about legal trouble?

2. Do your friends, families, know about this?

3. Are you guys single or in relationships?

4. How do you manage the expenses? For instance, let's assume a guy with a girlfriend has sex once a week (very modest assumption). To meet the same volume of sex, you'd need to have 52 appointments per year and if each appointment is $200 that is $10,400 per year to have sex.

5. The most important question. Why do you guys hire escorts, when you could fuck a girlfriend/wife for free? I guess everyone gets into this community for a different reason. Some guys have so much money and not much to do with it. Other guys are lonely and too ugly/uninteresting for regular dating so they have to pay. Other guys went through a nasty divorce and think the emotional investment needed to have free-sex isn't worth it so they pay instead. I'm curious as to what your reasons are if you're okay sharing.

1. Not in canada or other sp friendly countries
2. Some good college friend we go to fkk together in europe
3. Married
4. Like anything that can give pleasure, can get addicted. Find other hobbies and being busy in life so mind is not all about sex
5. If you just marry or be relationship for sex, then you are with the girl for wrong reason.