Climate Change

[JohnLarue]

control the climate ?

fossil fuel consumption was reduced in the 2008 recession & the 2020 lockdowns, yet no change in slope of the graph
1. have yet to hear a science based explanation for this.
2. why would reducing fossil fuel consumption in the future impact this trend, if it did not impact the trend in 2008 or 2020?
3. how much is nature? , a lot ,
4. how much is mankind? not very much if the slope does not change in 2008 or 2020

simple dy/ dx calculus

 

[K Douglas]

Do you accept the possibility that the scientists raising alarms are right?

Its not scientists raising alarms though, its politicians and bureaucrats and the fake media.

 

[K Douglas]

Anyone who thinks scientists haven't settled that pumping CO2 into the atmosphere doesn't lead to climate change is a fool.

That's not the argument though. The argument is whether the CO2 that we are pumping into the atmosphere is the primary driver of catastrophic climate change.

 

[toguy5252]

Its not scientists raising alarms though, its politicians and bureaucrats and the fake media.

But you did not answer the question.

 

[oil&gas]

Do you accept the possibility that the scientists raising alarms are right?

Anything is possible. I think it is how probable what the scientists are warning
about is right that is more significant.

Scientists raising alarm about the detrimental impact of perpetual growth of fossil fuel
demand on earth's ecology is probably right and should not be dismissed. With or without
climate change economic activities driven by rising consumption of energy is polluting to the
environment and could eventually trigger some ecological crisis. Scientists raising alarms
about pending climate catastrophe may be right but no government in its right mind would
consider possibility of such catastrophe to transpire to be high enough to implement climate
policy of immediate cutback of fossil fuel usage like 50% within a few short years. Climate
scientists in my observation are happy people. I trust that they are not in anticipation of some
deadly climate crisis in the near future.

 

[canada-man]

Greenpeace co-founder, Dr. Patrick Moore, on the genocidal consequences of Net Zero:

“Now they’re going into agriculture and threatening to cut off the supply of food, because food is causing global warming… Only the billionaires will be able to afford to buy food, and now all the other people will die because there’s not enough food.

That’s what we’re heading for if we continue to listen to these people.” “They will cause a ruination the likes of which the Earth has never seen, because there are over eight billion of us, and four billion of us depend on nitrogen fertiliser, which they now say is bad, because it’s a greenhouse gas or whatever… It’s all completely phoney. And so is the campaign against CO2.”


full interview

Sensible Environmentalism—Patrick Moore | UKColumn

 

[danish7899]

Greenpeace co-founder, Dr. Patrick Moore, on the genocidal consequences of Net Zero:

“Now they’re going into agriculture and threatening to cut off the supply of food, because food is causing global warming… Only the billionaires will be able to afford to buy food, and now all the other people will die because there’s not enough food.

That’s what we’re heading for if we continue to listen to these people.” “They will cause a ruination the likes of which the Earth has never seen, because there are over eight billion of us, and four billion of us depend on nitrogen fertiliser, which they now say is bad, because it’s a greenhouse gas or whatever… It’s all completely phoney. And so is the campaign against CO2.”


full interview

Sensible Environmentalism—Patrick Moore | UKColumn

I don’t trust the politicians. Way too much misinformation out there. Hard to tell what is fact or not.

 

[HungSowel]

Greenpeace co-founder, Dr. Patrick Moore, on the genocidal consequences of Net Zero:

“Now they’re going into agriculture and threatening to cut off the supply of food, because food is causing global warming… Only the billionaires will be able to afford to buy food, and now all the other people will die because there’s not enough food.

That’s what we’re heading for if we continue to listen to these people.” “They will cause a ruination the likes of which the Earth has never seen, because there are over eight billion of us, and four billion of us depend on nitrogen fertiliser, which they now say is bad, because it’s a greenhouse gas or whatever… It’s all completely phoney. And so is the campaign against CO2.”


full interview

Sensible Environmentalism—Patrick Moore | UKColumn

This is the great Patrick Moore,

 

[basketcase]

That's not the argument though. The argument is whether the CO2 that we are pumping into the atmosphere is the primary driver of catastrophic climate change.

This means you accept atmospheric CO2 is playing a role? Do you also accept that rapid change will have significant negative impacts on society?

 

[basketcase]

Southern Cone of South America, The Falkland Islands, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand and the rest of the Southern hempisphere are currently in Winter

Thanks genius.

Now do you care to explain why think the Antarctic being colder than normal is significant but the large chunk of the world far above normal should be ignored?

 

[basketcase]

The science is far from settled. Anyone who says this doesn't understand science or is an outright liar.

The only thing unsettled is the specifics. It is absolutely settled that increasing CO2 is causing local climactic changes and an overall increase in global temperature. It is absolutely settled that human activity is a significant part of that CO2 increase. Scientists might still debate the exact mechanisms and still debate whether human impact is responsible for 50% , 75% , or 95% of the change but using that as an excuse to refute climate change is like saying our inability to mesh quantum physics with relativity refutes physics.

 

[canada-man]

Thanks genius.

Now do you care to explain why think the Antarctic being colder than normal is significant but the large chunk of the world far above normal should be ignored?

it's summer there were similar heat waves in the 1930s when C02 levels where lower

1936 North American heat wave - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Heat Waves Throughout History | HISTORY

A look back at some of the most infamous—and deadly—heat waves in history.

www.history.com

 

[NotADcotor]

Why would every scientist in the world fake temperature readings and the science, kirk?

The Stonecutters in league with Major League Baseball and the Egg Marketing Board all work for Justin Beiber, one does not question why the First Evil does what he does.

 

[NotADcotor]

Remember, we are in the northern hemisphere where it is summer.
If we were in Australia... we would be surrounded by cunts

-Jimmy Carr

 

[canada-man]

The majority of the fires which have ravaged Greece in recent weeks were started by "human hand", one of the country's top climate officials has said.

Greece's climate change minister said 667 fires had erupted, as wildfires scorched hundreds of square miles of land outside Athens, on the island of Rhodes, and elsewhere this month.

Majority in fires in Greece were started by 'human hand', official says | World News | Sky News

and still blaming climate change while ignoring the fact that Mediterranean climates have Hot Dry Summers

 

[Frankfooter]

Its not scientists raising alarms though, its politicians and bureaucrats and the fake media.

Scientists weren't allowed to advocate, they were told to do science only.
Over the last few years that's changed.

But Hansen testified in the 80's that this was going to happen.

 

[Frankfooter]

control the climate ?

fossil fuel consumption was reduced in the 2008 recession & the 2020 lockdowns, yet no change in slope of the graph
1. have yet to hear a science based explanation for this.
2. why would reducing fossil fuel consumption in the future impact this trend, if it did not impact the trend in 2008 or 2020?
3. how much is nature? , a lot ,
4. how much is mankind? not very much if the slope does not change in 2008 or 2020

simple dy/ dx calculus


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Now you're admitting that CO2 levels are rising and have a new stupid pet theory that you think they haven't thought of before?
One of the main reasons is that the oceans aren't absorbing as much CO2 as they were before.
Tipping point.

Emission Reductions From Pandemic Had Unexpected Effects on Atmosphere

Earth’s atmosphere reacted in surprising ways to the lowering of emissions during the pandemic, showing how closely climate warming and air pollution are linked.

www.jpl.nasa.gov

 

[Frankfooter]

it's summer there were similar heat waves in the 1930s when C02 levels where lower

1936 North American heat wave - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Heat Waves Throughout History | HISTORY

A look back at some of the most infamous—and deadly—heat waves in history.

www.history.com

We are talking global events, not local heat waves.

 

[toguy5252]

Anything is possible. I think it is how probable what the scientists are warning
about is right that is more significant.

Scientists raising alarm about the detrimental impact of perpetual growth of fossil fuel
demand on earth's ecology is probably right and should not be dismissed. With or without
climate change economic activities driven by rising consumption of energy is polluting to the
environment and could eventually trigger some ecological crisis. Scientists raising alarms
about pending climate catastrophe may be right but no government in its right mind would
consider possibility of such catastrophe to transpire to be high enough to implement climate
policy of immediate cutback of fossil fuel usage like 50% within a few short years. Climate
scientists in my observation are happy people. I trust that they are not in anticipation of some
deadly climate crisis in the near future.

OK the if a anything is possible how do you rate the likelihood.

 

[oil&gas]

OK the if a anything is possible how do you rate the likelihood.

My assessment is the likelihood of the world facing the
threat of extinction in the impending climate catastrophe
induced by green house gas emission is way way smaller
than the likelihood of gradual die-off of humanity on the
descending side of the Hubbert curve as global oil production
begins falling rapidly (around 2030) to essentially zero by the
end of this century.