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You could fly them there and have them stand on the ice....The climate cult would still declare it is melting.
I just check the weather on that continent they range from -21 to -26 at mcmurdo station to -50 to -61 at other research stations
 

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I just check the weather on that continent they range from -21 to -26 at mcmurdo station to -50 to -61 at other research stations
Antarctica has 90% of the planets ice & 70% of the planets fresh water
it has 30 million cubic kilometers (7.2 million cubic miles) of ice

the ice sheet averages 2,160 meters thick, making Antarctica the highest continent.
it is 4,897 metres (16,066 feet) at its thickest point

Antarctica is the coldest continent on Earth. The average temperature in the interior throughout the year is about -57°C, with the minimum temperature being -90°C during the winter season. Although the coast is warmer and temperatures can reach a maximum of between -2°C and 8°C during the summer.
it is frozen 99% of the time
this ice cube is not going anywhere for a very very, very long time
 

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Antarctica has 90% of the planets ice & 70% of the planets fresh water
it has 30 million cubic kilometers (7.2 million cubic miles) of ice

the ice sheet averages 2,160 meters thick, making Antarctica the highest continent.
it is 4,897 metres (16,066 feet) at its thickest point



it is frozen 99% of the time
this ice cube is not going anywhere for a very very, very long time
We are experiencing a 'once in 7.5 million year' type event in antarctic ice warming today.


If we experience AMOC shutdown this is what the change would look like.
 

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i guess some people are just too ideologically committed to understand that a 30 million cubic kilometers (7.2 million cubic miles) ice cube is not going to melt any time soon.

its a real shame the socialist / communist ideology forbids freedom of individual thinking or the application of common sense
 

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You sound like the tourists who are still flying to Sicily.

Most of Italy has a Mediterranean climate this climate has hot dry summers and cool wet rainy winters




Moment a motorbike-riding arsonist is caught starting wildfires in Italy... before he realises he is being filmed and starts hurling rocks at drone



Moment a motorbike-riding arsonist is caught starting wildfires in Italy... before he realises he is being filmed and starts hurling rocks at drone (msn.com)
 

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A Mediterranean climate (/ˌmɛdɪtəˈreɪniən/ MED-ih-tə-RAY-nee-ən), also called a dry summer climate, described by Köppen as Cs, is a temperate climate type that occurs in the lower mid-latitudes (normally 30 to 44 north and south latitude). Such climates typically have dry summers and wet winters, with summer conditions ranging from warm to hot and winter conditions typically being mild. These weather conditions are typically experienced in the majority of Mediterranean-climate regions and countries, but remain highly dependent on proximity to the ocean, altitude and geographical location.

The dry summer climate is found throughout the warmer middle latitudes, affecting almost exclusively the western portions of continents in relative proximity to the coast. The climate type's name is in reference to the coastal regions of the Mediterranean Sea, which mostly share this type of climate, but it can also be found in the Atlantic portions of Iberia and Northwest Africa, the Pacific portions of the United States and Chile, extreme west areas of Argentina, around Cape Town, South Africa, parts of Southwest and South Australia and parts of Central Asia.

Mediterranean climate zones are typically located along the western coasts of landmasses, between roughly 30 and 45 degrees north or south of the equator. The main cause of Mediterranean, or dry summer, climate is the subtropical ridge, extending towards the hemisphere in question's pole during the summer and migrating towards the equator during the winter. This is due to the seasonal poleward-equatorward variations of temperatures.[1]

The resulting vegetation of Mediterranean climates are the garrigue or maquis in the European Mediterranean Basin, the chaparral in California, the fynbos in South Africa, the mallee in Australia, and the matorral in Chile. Areas with this climate are also where the so-called "Mediterranean trinity" of major agricultural crops have traditionally been successfully grown (wheat, grapes and olives). As a result, these regions are notable for their high-quality wines, grapeseed/olive oils, and bread products.[2]

Most of the historically iconic cities and regions of the Mediterranean Basin lie within the Mediterranean climatic zone, including Algiers, Athens, Barcelona, Beirut, İzmir, Jerusalem, Marseille, Monaco, Naples, Rome, Tunis, Valencia, and Valletta. Locations with Mediterranean climates outside of the Mediterranean Basin include Adelaide, Cape Town, Casablanca, Dushanbe, Lisbon, Los Angeles, Perth, Porto, San Francisco, Santiago, Tashkent, Victoria and Viña del Mar.[3]




During summer, regions of the Mediterranean climate are strongly influenced by the subtropical ridge which keeps atmospheric conditions very dry with minimal cloud coverage. In some areas, such as coastal California, the cold current has a stabilizing effect on the surrounding air, further reducing the chances for rain, but often causing thick layers of marine fog that usually evaporates by mid-day. Similar to desert climates, in many Mediterranean climates there is a strong diurnal character to daily temperatures in the warm summer months due to strong solar heating during the day from sunlight and rapid cooling at night.

In winter, the subtropical ridge migrates towards the equator and leaves the area, making rainfall much more likely. As a result, areas with this climate receive almost all of their precipitation during their winter and spring seasons, and may go anywhere from four to six months during the summer and early fall without having any significant precipitation. In the lower latitudes, precipitation usually decreases in both the winter and summer due to higher evapotranspiration. Toward the polar latitudes, total moisture usually increases; for instance, the Mediterranean climate in Southern Europe has more rain. The rainfall also tends to be more evenly distributed throughout the year in Southern Europe, while in places such as the Eastern Mediterranean, or in Southern California, the summer is nearly or completely dry. In places where evapotranspiration is higher, steppe climates tend to prevail, but still follow the basic pattern of the Mediterranean climates.


The majority of the regions with Mediterranean climates have relatively mild winters and very warm summers. However, winter and summer temperatures can vary greatly between different regions with a Mediterranean climate. For instance, in the case of winters, Los Angeles experiences mild to warm temperatures in the winter, with frost and snowfall almost unknown, whereas Tashkent has cold winters with annual frosts and snowfall; or, to consider summer, Seville experiences rather high temperatures in that season. In contrast, San Francisco has cool summers with daily highs around 21 °C (70 °F) due to the continuous upwelling of cold subsurface waters along the coast.

Because most regions with a Mediterranean climate are near large bodies of water, temperatures are generally moderate, with a comparatively small range of temperatures between the winter low and summer high unlike dry-summer humid continental climates (although the daily diurnal range of temperature during the summer is large due to dry and clear conditions, except along the immediate coastlines). Temperatures during winter only occasionally fall below the freezing point and snow is generally seldom seen. Summer temperatures can be cool to very hot, depending on the distance from a large body of water, elevation, and latitude, among other factors. Strong winds from inland desert regions can sometimes boost summer temperatures up, quickly increasing the risk of wildfires. Notable exceptions to the usual proximity from bodies of water, thus featuring extremely high summer temperatures and cooler winters, include south-eastern Turkey and northern Iraq (Urfa, Erbil), surrounded by hot deserts to the south and mountains to the north. Those places routinely experience summer daily means of over 30 °C (86 °F), while receiving enough rainfall in winter not to fall into arid or semi-arid classifications.

As in every climatologic domain, the highland locations of the Mediterranean domain can present cooler temperatures in the summer and winter than the lowland areas, temperatures which can sometimes prohibit the growth of typical cold-sensitive Mediterranean plants. Some Spanish authors opt in to use the term Continental Mediterranean Climate for some regions with lower temperatures in winter than the coastal areas[7] (direct translation from Clima Mediterráneo Continentalizado), but most climate classifications (including Köppen's Cs zones) show no distinction as long as winter temperature means stay above freezing.

Additionally, the temperature and rainfall pattern for a Csa or even a Csb climate can exist as a microclimate in some high-altitude locations adjacent to a rare tropical As (tropical savanna climate with dry summers, typically in a rainshadow region, as in Hawaii). These have a favourable climate, with mild wet winters and fairly warm, dry summers.
 

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I know this thread started a while back but good lord some of you need to check your sources. When you read an article online, check who owns the website. When it's run by an ultra rich right-wing extremists, you'll need to take their views on climate change with a pinch of salt. Especially when the first point of the article completely defeats itself, saying that climate change isn't that bad because China is making climate change worse. Make it make sense. It's just rich people who want to get richer off of doing nothing.
 
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The press is full of stories about earth burning and drying up. Meanwhile the real world is having another record grain harvest.


The world is heading for a record grain harvest in the 2023-2024 season thanks to gains for maize and rice, but the market remains under pressure thanks to El Nino and risks due to the war in Ukraine.


The International Grain Council (IGC), which includes both major producer and consumer nations, now forecasts 2.3 billion tonnes of grains excepting rice, slightly higher than the 2021-2022 season.

Maize production continues to rise, with a 5.5 percent rise to 1.2 billion tonnes, thanks to more acreage in the United States and a record harvest expected in Brazil.

The IGC expects the production of rice, the top grain consumed by people, to rise by 2.5 percent to 527 million tonnes.

But the wheat harvest is expected to come in at 784 million tonnes. That is stable in comparison to the last five years, but a reduction of 2.4 percent from last year when Russia and Australia had bumper harvests.

"The pressure on wheat is due to the consumption forecast which is 20 million tonnes more than production," said Damien Vercambre, a trader at Inter-Courtage commodities brokerage.

Record grain harvest eyed as market under pressure (ibtimes.co.uk)
 

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Temperatures in and around Antarctica are far below freezing in the dark at midwinter, and the Australia Broadcast Corporation believes the ice is rapidly melting.




Antarctic sea ice levels dive in ‘five-sigma event’, as experts flag worsening consequences for planet – ABC News



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Interesting. You obsess about the small section of below average temperatures while ignoring the huge section of Earth (WHERE PEOPLE ACTUALLY LIVE) that are far above average.
 
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I know this thread started a while back but good lord some of you need to check your sources. When you read an article online, check who owns the website. When it's run by an ultra rich right-wing extremists, you'll need to take their views on climate change with a pinch of salt. Especially when the first point of the article completely defeats itself, saying that climate change isn't that bad because China is making climate change worse. Make it make sense. It's just rich people who want to get richer off of doing nothing.
good lord some of you need to check your sources.
When you read an article online an it make outrageous claims about extreme weather events caused by climate change, check to see what they left out
if they left out important information,
like ground level temperatures vs the std 1/2 meter or
a stray Antarctic temperature reading 1,500 kms from the south pole, or
a stagnate bay with triple digit temperatures or
a picture of an old emaciated polar bear who was at end of his life cycle or
corral beaching caused by bacteria
or
images of forest fires, despite the long ternm trend in reduced burn acreage.
you'll need to take their views on climate change with a pinch of salt.

Especially when the author takes the unscientific position that every sensationalized event is cause by CO2.

Climate changes, always has, always will completely independent of man.
What mankind has brought to the table is a finite % of the population that believes the end of the world is just around the corner, they are called alarmist or nutters
The current set of alarmist have used social media very effectively
fortunately pseudo climate science is just that
 
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Interesting. You obsess about the small section of below average temperatures while ignoring the huge section of Earth (WHERE PEOPLE ACTUALLY LIVE) that are far above average.

Southern Cone of South America, The Falkland Islands, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand and the rest of the Southern hempisphere are currently in Winter
 

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The science is settled.
The discussion about how bad it will become is onging.
AMOC shutdown is a tipping point the models didn't think would happen for another 50 years but new measurements and models show that it could be happening right now.
Same science.

The science is far from settled. Anyone who says this doesn't understand science or is an outright liar.
 

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The science is far from settled. Anyone who says this doesn't understand science or is an outright liar.
Anyone who thinks scientists haven't settled that pumping CO2 into the atmosphere doesn't lead to climate change is a fool.
 
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