Should we halt Immigration until we can get it under control.

[Nathan 88]

Some people seems to be getting immigrants and refugees mixed up. These are two different groups, the ones that are camping out on the street are refugees.
Immigrants usually have somewhere to go and these arrangements were made in advance before they got here. They’ve gone through a process which in some cases takes years and done the proper paperwork.

 

[drewstar]

Probably.
First Past is badly broken. Just look around Canada today. Look outside the GTA for a change…Look at the hate and division….Look at numerous industries and more…

If “Canada” is too large a scale, just look at Ontario. The entire province hates the GTA….
For good reason.

The candidate who won the popular vote lost the last two elections gon

Probably.
First Past is badly broken. Just look around Canada today. Look outside the GTA for a change…Look at the hate and division….Look at numerous industries and more…

If “Canada” is too large a scale, just look at Ontario. The entire province hates the GTA….
For good reason.

I agree Rhuric. (Apologies if spelling wrong). We need the immigration but we need jobs and infrastructure…carefully considered, planned.

and hopes and prayers

Look at the “landslide” victory for Olivia Chow recently. You think a left wing socialist party is gona manage our finances properly? Or the crime?

Mismanagement/corruption is draining our wallets and sky high taxes when it could be used to actually build efficient public transportation system unlike what we have now - this creates jobs and takes cars off the street gridlock. Yet, there is a guarantee that something sensible like this will almost certainly NOT be done.

Our laws here reward laziness. People retire early because they get taxed into oblivion when theyre in the top bracket - would you rather collect from the govt or get taxed by them if youve already made enough? I know what Id do.

Housing crisis? It doesnt help when the laws all protect tenants as though landlords are a free social service. You can see the entitlement from many. Good luck to all because no rent leads to default on mortgages, which leads to EVERYONE on the streets.

Even seniors who have the most incentive to stay (theyve paid into the system their whole lives) are considering gtfo woke Canada.

 

[dvous11]

I'd like to see a more focused immigration policy to let mostly smoking hot Eastern European women into the country

 

[bazokajoe]

Trudeau needs to step down and let Chrystia Freeland take the reins. She infuriated The King of Kings during the USMCA negotiations, she may not be the diplomat Justin is, that's fine Canada needs technocrats presently. Premiere Ford is also unsuitable for the current landscape but if someone takes his place, they may be worse.

You crack me up. That post is hilarious.

 

[bazokajoe]

Lately the media has been filled with reports of refugees,immigrants etc coming to Canada but when they arrive after hearing the ''land of milk and honey' hype there is no where to go, live etc. Living on the streets in front of Govt. buildings Im sure is not what they expected once they got here. IMO Canada is taking in far too many people right now which equals money we dont have being spent on them.

A friend of mine equates it to filling a bathtub .If you dont keep an eye on it the tub it will overflow which seems to be happening now. Canada has always welcomed immigrants over the years with open arms but looks like its out of control with each level of Govt. blaming each other. We have people living in tent cities across the country because there is either no housing or housing is too expensive. How do we provide housing for people coming into the country as immigrants that will increase the housing needs?

I've been saying for a long time the immigration door needs to be slammed shut.
We don't have housing for them.
Bigger population, bigger/more problems. Such as health care, LTC homes and drain on social programs.
Too many unskilled workers coming in.
We don't recognize their qualifications from their home country(for good reason).
We have high school and college kids to do unskilled work(hospitality work).

Slam the door shut.

 

[princekwekua]

Probably.
First Past is badly broken. Just look around Canada today. Look outside the GTA for a change…Look at the hate and division….Look at numerous industries and more…

I am going to paraphrase Winston Churchill for you: "First past is badly broken. Except for all the others." Check proportional representation in Israel where parties with very few seats have outsize power because they tip the balance.

 

[jalimon]

I've been saying for a long time the immigration door needs to be slammed shut.
We don't have housing for them.
Bigger population, bigger/more problems. Such as health care, LTC homes and drain on social programs.
Too many unskilled workers coming in.
We don't recognize their qualifications from their home country(for good reason).
We have high school and college kids to do unskilled work(hospitality work).

Slam the door shut.

I totally agree with you about the housing situation. As long as we do not find a way to build affordable housing, either by private contractors or by the government, we need to stop the flow.

A basic low income wage should provide you with enough to put a roof over your head. At no more then 30% of your income.

Everything else is just futile discussion. We need, collectively, to stop the madness of the housing market.

 

[Jenesis]

As some posters lacked the comprehension to see my original post point #4 (not you), I will reiterate that reckless mass immigration without a plan or the infrastructure is going to have a negative impact for EVERYONE in many ways.

But judging by the responses so far, half the population still doesnt get it or doesnt care as long as they get their handouts.

The bill always comes due. Its as if this intentional self destruction is lost on some or theyre in denial. But more likely just unimaginably ignorant.

Point #4 talks about refugees. That is not immigration. Immigration has a whole different process. Use proper terminology and maybe some won’t misconstrue your point. Just sayin’

 

[drewstar]

Point #4 talks about refugees. That is not immigration. Immigration has a whole different process. Use proper terminology and maybe some won’t misconstrue your point. Just sayin’

Word for word what I said was “. Bringing in massive number of refugees with no plan, no increased infrastructure. Essentially devaluing our culture among other things. That GTA traffic nightmare? Its gona get worse.”

Refugees are a large part of the immigration process especially since theyre not coming in as skilled workers. That tent city on Peter and Richmond? Those are refugees. My message stands and imo youre not making an argument in good faith.

 

[Not getting younger]

I am going to paraphrase Winston Churchill for you: "First past is badly broken. Except for all the others." Check proportional representation in Israel where parties with very few seats have outsize power because they tip the balance.

Utopia doesn’t exist. Never has, never will.
what some obviously don’t understand is that Canada is huge. So huge, Ontario alone is the size of some countries. You don’t think different regions have different issues, different needs, etc? Can’t seem to grasp why you are so hated…..by literally everyone else in the country…..just saying.

I’ll say this much. Despite being a backwards, screwed up country. The US is atleast smart enough to know that. And to have the electoral college. Which to some degree offsets one tiny wee geographical area, ruling everything.

 

[richaceg]

Immigrants came here by choice...Refugees came here by force from their government fucking up...

 

[princekwekua]

I've been saying for a long time the immigration door needs to be slammed shut.
We don't have housing for them.
Bigger population, bigger/more problems. Such as health care, LTC homes and drain on social programs.
Too many unskilled workers coming in.
We don't recognize their qualifications from their home country(for good reason).
We have high school and college kids to do unskilled work(hospitality work).

Slam the door shut.

Japan birth rate hits record low amid concerns over shrinking and aging population

TOKYO (AP) — Japan’s birth rate declined for a seventh consecutive year in 2022 to a record low of 1.26, the Health Ministry said Friday, adding to a sense of urgency in a country where the government is seen as too slow to take measures to address its rapidly shrinking and aging population.

apnews.com

You havent been reading the posts carefully enough. The birth rate in Western countries is not enough to sustain their economies. From an earlier post, I showed what is happening in Japan. The death rate is significantly higher than the birth rate And there is no immigration to fill the gap. So the population declined by 800,000 in 2022 and projected to decline to 87 million by 2070 from the current 125 million. Entire industries will be closed because of shortage of workers, there will not be enough workers to support the ageing population and the standard of living will fall correspondingly. If this is the fate you want for Canada, then cheer on. And good luck.

Even Germany has seen the light. They love refugees and admitted 1 million of them in 2022, including 560,000 Syrians. Since the war in Ukraine, Germany has admitted 900,000 refugees from Ukraine. They put them in German immersion schools right away and then in various programs after that based on aptitude. The German industrial machine needs skilled workers and they dont care where they come from: they will train them to do the job.

 

[explorerzip]

What exactly does get immigration under control actually mean? Have you thought that idea through carefully and deliberately? Or is this just another talking head segment you saw in the bar while downing a pint?

As others already pointed out, we rely on immigration to keep the work force going chiefly because of the declining birth rate. This applies for all of the Western world and we basically have a de-facto 1-child policy like China. The contributing factors are a different, but the problems are the same: a declining workforce, aging population and people having fewer kids or not at all.

Halting immigration entirely is a bad idea because it will very difficult to get it going again. I again point to China's 1-child policy, which was significantly worse because the Chinese favored male over female children. Further, they were either abonding or aborting female babies. So now there's a lot more males than females, which magnifies the problem. You can't make babies without enough women to go around.

We're definitely not going to solve the so-called labour shortages by halting immigration. We can't build housing and other infrastructure if the work force is shrinking where more people retire vs get hired. On the other hand, protectionism in some industries is part of the problem too. I don't think the unions actually want to solve the labour shortage because they want to keep competition out and wages high. We've been down that road before. I think another potential cause of this labour shortage is that Canadian kids don't want to go into the skilled trades. We have a supply side problem of people on multiple fronts.

 

[Not getting younger]

Maybe the dyed in the wool Conservatives will get it, after reading this. Penned just after Ford won. By a very right wing economist…Scales are different, as are some specifics. But the premise is the same. Mostly

Mintz, one of the few economists worth following.

Jack Mintz: Congrats Doug Ford. You might get to fix Ontario’s economic trainwreck

Rather than balancing the budget, Ontario plans to have an $8 billion deficit in the coming year

financialpost.com

 

[princekwekua]

Utopia doesn’t exist. Never has, never will.
what some obviously don’t understand is that Canada is huge. So huge, Ontario alone is the size of some countries. You don’t think different regions have different issues, different needs, etc? Can’t seem to grasp why you are so hated…..by literally everyone else in the country…..just saying.

I’ll say this much. Despite being a backwards, screwed up country. The US is atleast smart enough to know that. And to have the electoral college. Which to some degree offsets one tiny wee geographical area, ruling everything.

You said first past is badly broken. I am telling you there is none better. None

 

[aspireone]

I totally agree with you about the housing situation. As long as we do not find a way to build affordable housing, either by private contractors or by the government, we need to stop the flow.

A basic low income wage should provide you with enough to put a roof over your head. At no more then 30% of your income.

Everything else is just futile discussion. We need, collectively, to stop the madness of the housing market.

Immigrants and Refugees are two different groups. I don't think Immigrants want to live lin affordable housing.

 

[Not getting younger]

You said first past is badly broken. I am telling you there is none better. None

lol.
“It’s badly broken”.
Vs
I’m telling you

if you don’t think what we have right now isn’t in desperate need of change. Your broken.


porportional is certainly not perfect, but for a country Canadas size ( Russia and the US the only other two and atleast the US has the electoral college ) atleast that way…citizens…you know citizens….from different areas….have representation…as is, with first past winner take all.

And all any of them need to do, have done since around the 90s is buy the gta. But I get it. You live there, would prefer the status quo.

 

[drewstar]

What exactly does get immigration under control actually mean? Have you thought that idea through carefully and deliberately? Or is this just another talking head segment you saw in the bar while downing a pint?

As others already pointed out, we rely on immigration to keep the work force going chiefly because of the declining birth rate. This applies for all of the Western world and we basically have a de-facto 1-child policy like China. The contributing factors are a different, but the problems are the same: a declining workforce, aging population and people having fewer kids or not at all.

Halting immigration entirely is a bad idea because it will very difficult to get it going again. I again point to China's 1-child policy, which was significantly worse because the Chinese favored male over female children. Further, they were either abonding or aborting female babies. So now there's a lot more males than females, which magnifies the problem. You can't make babies without enough women to go around.

We're definitely not going to solve the so-called labour shortages by halting immigration. We can't build housing and other infrastructure if the work force is shrinking where more people retire vs get hired. On the other hand, protectionism in some industries is part of the problem too. I don't think the unions actually want to solve the labour shortage because they want to keep competition out and wages high. We've been down that road before. I think another potential cause of this labour shortage is that Canadian kids don't want to go into the skilled trades. We have a supply side problem of people on multiple fronts.

I dont believe immigration should be halted completely, but Il address a few of your points that I think we should be doing, but obviously arent.

1. Rise in cost of living, high taxes leads to less people being able to afford to have more kids. The elderly in my family chose to retire early because the system has no incentive to work hard after paying astronomical taxes their entire life. Its on them to live as long as they can so that the govt gives back. Our country doesnt reward hard work, and the loopholes many industries need to jump through here gives ZERO incentive to do business here.

2. Certain workforce shortages are the result of un$cientific mandates. Why hire foreign workers when we have perfectly fit and qualified ones here kicked to the curb?

3. Infrastructure needs to be able to support the increase in population which includes housing, jobs and transportation. We have a big issue with those areas already, mass immigration with no realistic plan is only going to compound problems. We have more and more bad drivers on the road than ever before, yet GTA gridlock will only get much worse.

 

[Jenesis]

Word for word what I said was “. Bringing in massive number of refugees with no plan, no increased infrastructure. Essentially devaluing our culture among other things. That GTA traffic nightmare? Its gona get worse.”

Refugees are a large part of the immigration process especially since theyre not coming in as skilled workers. That tent city on Peter and Richmond? Those are refugees. My message stands and imo youre not making an argument in good faith.

You said what you said. You said refugees. That is different than immigrants. Even by your own admission. Refugees are often not skilled workers like most immigrants are.

Just own it and say what you mean next time. Especially when you are listing of a bunch of other shit in your rant.

This is about immigration- not all the other bullet points you listed off in your rant about the liberals. My message stands. You posted a rant about the liberals and nothing about actual true immigration and its process.

 

[explorerzip]

The questions should be. How many per year, and where/how do they get placed. Anywhere but the GTA…..

Do you really want the governments influencing or deciding where people should live? Why do you think people tend to flock to the GTA? You realize that people have always flocked to major cities since the beginning of time?

what we really need is some kind of proficiency test people have to pass before being allowed to vote. That or electoral reform.

What test proficiency test do you propose exactly? The real skill we need to be taught is how to think and read critically and to take a pause before they comment on things. It's not exactly the teacher's fault either because they didn't learn that skill either.

The GTA is self centered, thinks only of itself. Has no clue there’s a world out past highway 7 and cottage country….

Not sure what your point is because all people, all countries and all cities are self-centered to a certain degree.