The LGBTQ protest thread
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You're right...I must be imagining things.....
Penn swimmer Lia Thomas sets six records at Ivy League Championships
The senior, whose achievements have led to a fairness debate regarding transgender athletes, won three individual events
www.phillyvoice.com
Canadian transsexual athlete breaking female race records
Six years ago, Tiffany Newell, a 50-year-old former soccer player and triathlete, started to identify as a woman and in an apparent effort to make up for lost t
Gay man and trans woman brutally attacked and robbed in Palestine in distressing viral video
A trans woman and a gay man were brutally battered in Palestine by a group of men, their car destroeyed, before being robbed yesterday.
www.thepinknews.com
Your first article says the rules are changing later this year so they won't be eligible any more.You're right...I must be imagining things.....
Penn swimmer Lia Thomas sets six records at Ivy League Championships
The senior, whose achievements have led to a fairness debate regarding transgender athletes, won three individual eventsgays also live freely and safely in your beloved Gaza strip..Canadian transsexual athlete breaking female race records
Six years ago, Tiffany Newell, a 50-year-old former soccer player and triathlete, started to identify as a woman and in an apparent effort to make up for lost twww.westernstandard.news
Gay man and trans woman brutally attacked and robbed in Palestine in distressing viral video
A trans woman and a gay man were brutally battered in Palestine by a group of men, their car destroeyed, before being robbed yesterday.
World Athletics, in your second article, also changed their rules.
So those won't happen again.
Its an imaginary problem now.
Mr. Phil, I have to give you credit for starting this thread. You must have known you would be the target of vicious attacks by the wokies. Remember they have trade marked all the "phobias" and I think they used at least 3 against you.All we want is to get married, gay people said
Post all LGBTQ protests and other pushbacks ITT.
Its gonna be a bad time for gays when catholics, christians and muslims have decided to start uniting against their movement.
FTR I am not against gay marriage per se.
But LGBTQ made a serious error the day they started indoctrinating kids into their movement, without parents consent.
I'll start with this: https://vm.tiktok.com/ZM2SoXBoR/
Wow. What a set of circular arguments.
- They are mutilating children (no one is performing sex changes on children)
- But they are giving puberty blockers ( not "mutilation" and studies don't show a permanent physiological impact)
- But they're mutilating children (no they're not)
- But you just don't understand
Obviously you don't have a coherent argument.
The reality: Children DON NOT get sex reassignment surgery, parents are heavily involved in decision making as are heavily trained professionals. there may be a few cases where young teens are allowed to make medical decisions without parental consent but for ever, Canadian law has allowed doctors to determine if a youth is able to make an informed decision but it is EXTREMELY rare that applies to anyone pre-pubescent.
The reality is your objections is simply based on your being uncomfortable with the idea of trans people. I have no clue how a person would feel that they're in the wrong body but that's their life to live. And I'd far rather trust the medical professionals who spend their lives studying these things than the ravings of a conspiracy theorist who just feels icky about it.
I want some hint of there being a reality before freaking out over it. There are plenty of REAL problems in the world to deal with first.
The number of deaths from people jumping off balconies should be zero but I don't see you trying to ban balconies.
Trans athletes aren't a real issue, just an excuse to get zealots fired up.
No, I never said children GET the surgery. I said that giving them puberty blockers PUTS THEM ON THE INEVITABLE road to surgery.
So the question is actually simple. Is a 10/11 year old boy or girl mentally and emotionally capable of making the decision to get surgery a decade later? When they are an adult but never went through puberty. And to be sterilized as an end result?
I say no.
They were enough to get banned by major sporting bodies. And you are strawman arguing again.
I fully support funding transgender surgery, and all of the steps leading up to it, including the drugs, councilling, support, all of it. I just don't support it until they are adults. Its a harder road. But a necessary one to ensure mistakes aren't made.
Surely this varies by the person. But according to the professionals in the fields of physical and mental health, who unlike us are actual experts at answering these questions, they can be. And there are guidelines used by medical professionals (in both physical and mental fields) to make that determination.
Here’s What We Know about the Safety and Efficacy of Gender-Affirming Care for Kids
Laws that ban gender-affirming treatment ignore the wealth of research demonstrating its benefits for trans people’s health
"Major medical organizations, including the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, the Endocrine Society, the American Medical Association, the American Psychological Association and the American Psychiatric Association, have published policy statements and guidelines on how to provide age-appropriate gender-affirming care. All of those medical societies find such care to be evidence-based and medically necessary."
The two phrases I want to emphasize there are "evidence-based", meaning the scientific method has been applied and a consensus exists among professionals, and "medically necessary" which means there must be a vast improvement of outcomes without sufficient risks of side effects or negative outcomes to offset it.
Without even speaking to the individual in question? Without understanding the circumstances? Without any examination of any kind? Are you at all trained, educated or qualified to make that determination? Have you ever even watched a trans child grow from infancy to 10 or 11 to see how they behave? Because the experts have. Most have seen many. Formerly die-hard, anti-trans people have changed their opinion after watching their own child to through it so if you haven't I'm not sure why you think you're qualified.
What about if someone is born with both sets of reproductive organs? How old do they need to be before you think they have a say in what gender they are? Generally that assignment surgery is done at birth without their consent or input at all. You must have a problem with that too?
You say no. Is that "evidence-based"? How many people were in your study? How many formed the control group? How many times was your study replicated and by whom? Did they reach the same conclusions and find the same results? When outcomes are significantly improved, what negatives and at what percentage do they occur to render gender-affirming care not "medically necessary"? If your opinion is "evidence-based", what percentage had negative incomes that outweighed the positive outcomes? What percentage had positive outcomes too? Again, how big was your control group and how often were your results replicated?
Perhaps most importantly, in your own studies, what do you do that differed from the studies conducted by American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, the Endochrine Society, et al to generate different results? Why do you think those changes matter and are relevant? Which peers validated those claims? And why didn't you publish in a scientific journal? Or did you, and if so, which journal?
But if you haven't conducted a study, what makes you think your opinion is more valid than those of the experts? What evidence do you have to support your opinion? Have you even raised children?
It says right in your article THEY DO NOT RECOMMEND THE USE OF PUBERTY BLOCKERS.Surely this varies by the person. But according to the professionals in the fields of physical and mental health, who unlike us are actual experts at answering these questions, they can be. And there are guidelines used by medical professionals (in both physical and mental fields) to make that determination.
Here’s What We Know about the Safety and Efficacy of Gender-Affirming Care for Kids
Laws that ban gender-affirming treatment ignore the wealth of research demonstrating its benefits for trans people’s healthwww.scientificamerican.com
"Major medical organizations, including the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, the Endocrine Society, the American Medical Association, the American Psychological Association and the American Psychiatric Association, have published policy statements and guidelines on how to provide age-appropriate gender-affirming care. All of those medical societies find such care to be evidence-based and medically necessary."
The two phrases I want to emphasize there are "evidence-based", meaning the scientific method has been applied and a consensus exists among professionals, and "medically necessary" which means there must be a vast improvement of outcomes without sufficient risks of side effects or negative outcomes to offset it.
Without even speaking to the individual in question? Without understanding the circumstances? Without any examination of any kind? Are you at all trained, educated or qualified to make that determination? Have you ever even watched a trans child grow from infancy to 10 or 11 to see how they behave? Because the experts have. Most have seen many. Formerly die-hard, anti-trans people have changed their opinion after watching their own child to through it so if you haven't I'm not sure why you think you're qualified.
What about if someone is born with both sets of reproductive organs? How old do they need to be before you think they have a say in what gender they are? Generally that assignment surgery is done at birth without their consent or input at all. You must have a problem with that too?
You say no. Is that "evidence-based"? How many people were in your study? How many formed the control group? How many times was your study replicated and by whom? Did they reach the same conclusions and find the same results? When outcomes are significantly improved, what negatives and at what percentage do they occur to render gender-affirming care not "medically necessary"? If your opinion is "evidence-based", what percentage had negative incomes that outweighed the positive outcomes? What percentage had positive outcomes too? Again, how big was your control group and how often were your results replicated?
Perhaps most importantly, in your own studies, what do you do that differed from the studies conducted by American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, the Endochrine Society, et al to generate different results? Why do you think those changes matter and are relevant? Which peers validated those claims? And why didn't you publish in a scientific journal? Or did you, and if so, which journal?
But if you haven't conducted a study, what makes you think your opinion is more valid than those of the experts? What evidence do you have to support your opinion? Have you even raised children?
Beyond that I clearly stated I fully support the use of taxpayer dollars for supports. And eventual transitions.
So thank you for proving my point. I appreciate it.
Including age-appropriate treatment at or before age 10-11? The average age for girls to being puberty IS 10 and the guidelines say no puberty blockers or hormones "until the onset of puberty" (which you conveniently left it). You said you were against 10 years olds getting this treatment. You now say you fully support this and it proves your point.
So which is it? Is gender-affirming care, including hormones and puberty blockers, appropriate for 10-11 year olds as per the guidelines of professionals, acceptable, or do you still say no? Because you can't have it both ways.
Gender affirming care as a broad statement. Involving many things. I believe (as do the doctors) to NOT use puberty blockers. You give them the mental health support as they go through puberty. Then when they turn 18 they can make decisions about drugs and surgery.
There is evidence as well that naturally gay kids can confuse their natural attraction to the same sex and effeminate and masculine traits with actual transgenderism. And there is a difference.
So let them mature, explore their sexuality, and continue to recieve mental health support while it gets figured out. Because the drugs and surgery have very real consequences that can't be reversed.
These are not things that Butler feels he needs to concern himself with.
"I think this is icky and don't like it. Therefore it is bad. Therefore everything I believe might be secretly going on that proves it is bad is actually true."
That's how this works.
Just because you have a track record of not reading things beyond the first line you think supports what you have already decided is true, or not understanding things you do bother to read, would you care to point out exactly where that is said in the article? (You can screenshot the whole paragraph, or give the paragraph number or whatever.)
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