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basketcase

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Abbas is just as corrupt as Netanyahu, but not as smart.
Palestinians have wanted him out of power for years and years now which is why he refuses to hold elections for the PA.

Which means its up to BDS and international action.
And despite your love for them, Hamas, is almost as corrupt and wastes money on rockets and attack tunnels instead of helping their people.


And I noticed you had no response.

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Amnesty notes in your quote that settlers lose their civilian status when they take part in hostilities.
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And yet you still claim that the vast majority of Jews in the West Bank not engaged in violence are still somehow valid targets while also claiming that Palestinian combatants should be free from repercussions. What a joke of a racist you are.

In your disgusting world, you claim a guy pulled over at the side of the road on his phone or a mom driving her two girls on a visit are taking a direct role in hostilities.

Settlers, like any other civilians, cannot be targeted and only lose their protection from attack if and for such time as they take a direct part in hostilities (Article 51 (3) Protocol 1).

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And yet you still claim that the vast majority of Jews in the West Bank not engaged in violence are still somehow valid targets while also claiming that Palestinian combatants should be free from repercussions. What a joke of a racist you are.

In your disgusting world, you claim a guy pulled over at the side of the road on his phone or a mom driving her two girls on a visit are taking a direct role in hostilities.

Settlers, like any other civilians, cannot be targeted and only lose their protection from attack if and for such time as they take a direct part in hostilities (Article 51 (3) Protocol 1).
How do differentiate between 'random Jews' and terrorists now?
You claim Israel is justified in targeting Palestinians if they think they are terrorists, its only your racist apartheid views that keep you from admitting that should also be true for Palestinians.
Israel must stop settler terrorism if you want Palestinians to not be justified in attacking illegal and armed settlers, given the amount of settler terrorism they now experience.
 

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How do differentiate between 'random Jews' and terrorists now?
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Holy fuck your racist justification for terrorism is disgusting. You don't see me arguing that any Palestinian is fair game because you can't tell one from another.

I guess this puts to bed any claims that you support Amnesty and international law.
 

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Another day, another attempt at 'arrests' by Israeli death squads.
5 dead and 91 injured.

This is your theocracy in action.

Not mentioned is PIJ has claimed several of the dead as their fighters and videos show Israeli forces being attacked with explosives, firebombs, and gunfire. Of course you think it's wrong for Israel to dare shoot back at people attacking them.

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But I'm sure the Palestinian media showing attacks on the IDF are just zionist propaganda.
 

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Not mentioned is PIJ has claimed several of the dead as their fighters and videos show Israeli forces being attacked with explosives, firebombs, and gunfire. Of course you think it's wrong for Israel to dare shoot back at people attacking them.

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But I'm sure the Palestinian media showing attacks on the IDF are just zionist propaganda.
That last line was straight from an alternate reality. In the real world, it was Israel attacking Palestinians. As usual. And is was Palestinians defending themselves themselves. As usual.
 

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Holy fuck your racist justification for terrorism is disgusting. You don't see me arguing that any Palestinian is fair game because you can't tell one from another.

I guess this puts to bed any claims that you support Amnesty and international law.
You used this same argument in justifying shooting women, children, medic and protesters in the Great March of Return.
You claimed that they were all terrorists or indistinguishable from terrorists to the IDF snipers hiding behind the prison walls.

Is this just yet another example of your racist/apartheid logic?

Do you have another rationale why you think it was ok that Israelis shot so many civilians, every Friday for almost a year?


 

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Hamas Terrorists Murder Four Israelis at Gas Station…



Palestinian gunmen affiliated with the Hamas terror group opened fire at a gas station in the West Bank on Tuesday afternoon, killing four Israelis and wounding four others, the military and medics said.

According to the Israel Defense Forces, two gunmen carried out the terror attack at the gas station and an adjacent hummus restaurant near the settlement of Eli.

One of the terrorists was shot dead at the scene by an armed Israeli civilian, while the second fled and was killed some two hours later by special forces.

According to the Magen David Adom ambulance service, eight Israelis were treated at the scene of the attack. Four were declared dead at the scene, and four were taken to hospitals in Israel.

One of the victims was listed in serious condition, two were in moderate condition, and the fourth was in good condition, MDA said.

A suspected infiltration alert sounded in Eli following the attack. The military ordered residents of the community to remain in their homes and lock their doors and windows as troops scanned the area. The order was lifted around an hour and a half later.

 

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Russia Opens Consulate In Jerusalem — Palestinians Silent
Russia Opens Consulate In Jerusalem — Palestinians Silent (jihadwatch.org)

Russia has agreed to open a consulate in Jerusalem. True, it’s not an Embassy, but it’s also something more than an ordinary consulate. It will have, for example, living quarters for consulate personnel, and a conference hall. Israel, in turn, will recognize the plot of land on which the consulate is built, and about which there has been a long and contentious history, as Russian property.


More on this consulate opening can be found here: “Russia to open new Israel embassy branch in Jerusalem,” by Lahav Harkov, Jerusalem Post, June 16, 2023:

Russia plans to open a branch of its embassy in Jerusalem in exchange for acknowledging the boundaries of Moscow’s historical and present ownership of the plot of land on which the office will be built, the sides announced on Friday.
The “branch office of the Consular Section of the Russian Embassy in Israel,” as the embassy calls it, will be opened on the corner of King George and Ma’alot streets in downtown Jerusalem, where a parking lot is currently located, after Russia and the Jerusalem Municipality, in cooperation with the Foreign Ministry, signed an agreement clarifying the boundaries of the plot.
For years, there have been property disputes in Jerusalem between the Russian Orthodox Church based in Moscow and the Russian Orthodox Church in exile, between the Russian Orthodox Church and Israel, and especially between the Russian government and Israel. The main property that has been at issue is the St. Alexander Nevsky Church, and the Alexander Square, in the Old City. Another source of contention is a very valuable plot of land right in the center of Jerusalem, at the corner of King George and Ma’alot Street. It has been used until now as a parking lot. Now it will become the site of what is to be called “the Consular section of the Russian Embassy in Israel,” a verbal formulation that suggests it will be closely linked –more like a branch office than an entirely separate office – to the Embassy. Israelis will see it as a welcome half-way measure, establishing a Russian diplomatic presence in Jerusalem that may be a promising prologue to a future move of the Embassy itself from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.

The Foreign Ministry said that the building complex will include a residence for Russian diplomats and a conference hall, which makes it more than a regular consulate.
Elder of Ziyon comments:

While it isn’t a full embassy, it is nearly as significant as an embassy would be. The Russian diplomatic building would appear to violate the 1980 United Nations Security Council Resolution 478, which called for “Those States that have established diplomatic missions at Jerusalem to withdraw such missions from the Holy City;”
This structure should be thought of as a Consulate plus, with living quarters for its diplomats and a conference hall, neither of which are usually included in a consulate building. Its establishment also violates the UN Security Resolution 478, passed in 1980, that called on states with diplomatic missions – consulates or embassies – in Jerusalem to withdraw them. Not only is Russia not withdrawing a mission from Jerusalem, but it is now establishing a new mission – this Consulate plus – in the city, in direct defiance of UNSC Resolution 478.

Elder of Ziyon adds:

It will be recalled that at the same time the world was freaking out over the US Embassy moving to Jerusalem and recognizing Jerusalem as Israel’s capital, Russia said that it recognized West Jerusalem as Israel’s capital as well. Yet there was practically no negative response to Russia’s announcement at the time.
While attention was focused in 2018 on Trump’s much-discussed move of the American Embassy to Jerusalem, Russia at the same time said that it recognized West Jerusalem as Israel’s capital. The Arabs did not respond, no doubt unwilling to anger the Russians, and perhaps thinking that if they let the Russian statement pass in silence. nothing would come of it. And nothing did. Having made their declaration that West Jerusalem was the “capital of Israel,” the Russians left it at that.

But the Russians have long sought to establish their claim to various properties in Jerusalem, and now, after years of discussion and litigation, they have settled at least one of those property disputes. The Israeli government has now recognized as Russian property this plot of land in the very heart of Jerusalem where Russia has agreed to build its new Consulate plus. Russia has had its claim to some very expensive property in the very heart of Jerusalem at long last recognized as valid, and Israel has had another major power openly recognize that west Jerusalem is the capital of the Jewish state, which is a step away from transferring the Russian Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. Elder of Ziyon:

We can probably expect the same muted response from the Palestinian Authority now.
The Arabi21 site reached out to the PA Foreign Ministry for comment, and they punted, saying they are checking the story, “in order to verify its authenticity, because we do not base our positions on what is published in the Hebrew media.”
Since then, I see nothing about this announcement on the official Palestinian news sites.
In short, no one wants to upset Russia
. Attacking the US is not only accepted but almost mandatory.
In 2018, when Russia first declared that Jerusalem was indeed the capital of Israel, neither the Palestinians nor the other Arabs commented, much less condemned, the announcement. None of them want to antagonize the Russians who, unlike the Americans, don’t believe in turning the other cheek, and are certain to remember any perceived slight. And the same code of silence has been observed again just now. The Palestinians have not uttered a peep about the Russian consulate about to be built in Jerusalem. Getting on Putin’s wrong side might lead him to do something even worse – like move the Russian embassy to Jerusalem.

And for Mahmoud Abbas there is another, piquant consideration that may make him determined not to comment. When Abbas lived in Moscow and studied at Patrice Lumumba University, where he wrote his Holocaust-minimizing thesis on the supposed “collaboration” between the Nazis and the Zionists, he was approached in 1983, a year after he received his doctorate, to work for the KGB. There is evidence that he accepted the offer – after all, it was a way to supplement what was then a most meager student stipend, and Abbas has always been interested in money. More on that can be found here.

Confirmation of his work as a KGB spy in the 1980s was found in the documents smuggled out of Russia by former KGB archivist Vasili Mitrokhin in 1991.
An Israeli researcher, Gideon Remez, has said that “Some of the material, now in the Churchill Archives of Britain’s Cambridge University, was released two years ago for public research, and the Truman Institute [at Hebrew University] requested a file marked “the Middle East.”
There’s a group of summaries or excerpts there that all come under a headline of persons cultivated by the KGB in the year 1983,” he said.
“Now one of these items is all of two lines … it starts with the codename of the person, ‘Krotov’, which is derived from the Russian word for ‘mole’, and then ‘Abbas, Mahmoud, born 1935 in Palestine, member of the central committee of Fatah and the PLO, in Damascus ‘agent of the KGB’,” Remez said.
Mahmoud Abbas knows that were he to now criticize the opening of the Russian consulate in Jerusalem, Putin might very well release the evidence that Mahmoud Abbas worked as a spy for the KGB in the 1980s, beginning in 1983 – not out of any ideological fervor, but solely for the money. It’s a story that Abbas has denied in the past, but if Putin himself were to release all the information about Abbas’ work as a KGB agent he possesses, including the reports he sent to Moscow about Palestinians and Syrians, this would cause a terrific furor among his fellow Palestinians that would certainly cost him his job, and possibly his family its fortune as well. He’s not going to criticize the Russians about anything.




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KGB/Soviet Union created the Palestinian Movement


'Give me missiles'


The genesis of the KGB’s developing ties with Palestinian terror organizations can be traced back to the end of the 1960s. The Soviet spy agency had code names for the different factions making up the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO): Fatah, the main movement led by Yasser Arafat, was dubbed "Kabinet" (cabinet); the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) received the name "Khutor" (which means a small village or a farm in Russian); the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP) was named "Shkola" (a school in Russian); and Ahmad Jibril's Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine – General Command (PFLP-GC) was dubbed "Blindage" (a fortified wooden military structure).



Arafat himself received the codename "Aref," but the Russians weren't particularly impressed with him at first. The Mitrokhin archive includes a memo that notes: "Aref only keeps promises that benefit him. The information he provides is very laconic and only serves to promote his own interests." The KGB also questioned many of the biographical details Arafat provided them with—his past as a combat soldier, his birth place, and more. Despite this, the KGB appointed a senior liaison officer named Vasili Samoylenko to "cultivate" the Fatah leader.

The KGB's Middle East Files: Palestinians in the service of Mother Russia (ynetnews.com)



Soviet papers: Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas was a KGB agent | CNN


The KGB and Anti-Israel Propaganda Operations (inform.nu)
 

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Hamas Terrorists Murder Four Israelis at Gas Station…



Palestinian gunmen affiliated with the Hamas terror group opened fire at a gas station in the West Bank on Tuesday afternoon, killing four Israelis and wounding four others, the military and medics said.

According to the Israel Defense Forces, two gunmen carried out the terror attack at the gas station and an adjacent hummus restaurant near the settlement of Eli.

One of the terrorists was shot dead at the scene by an armed Israeli civilian, while the second fled and was killed some two hours later by special forces.

According to the Magen David Adom ambulance service, eight Israelis were treated at the scene of the attack. Four were declared dead at the scene, and four were taken to hospitals in Israel.

One of the victims was listed in serious condition, two were in moderate condition, and the fourth was in good condition, MDA said.

A suspected infiltration alert sounded in Eli following the attack. The military ordered residents of the community to remain in their homes and lock their doors and windows as troops scanned the area. The order was lifted around an hour and a half later.

From your article:

Tensions between Israel and the Palestinians have been elevated for the past year, with the military carrying out near-nightly raids in the West Bank, amid a series of deadly Palestinian terror attacks.

On Monday, six Palestinians were killed and nearly 100 were wounded in gun battles in Jenin in the northern West Bank. Eight IDF soldiers sustained light-to-moderate injuries in the clashes and as a result of a massive roadside bomb that was detonated next to an army vehicle.

Since the beginning of the year, Palestinian attacks in Israel and the West Bank have killed 24 people and left several more seriously hurt, including Tuesday’s attack.

According to a tally by The Times of Israel, 126 West Bank Palestinians have been killed during that span, most of them during clashes with security forces, but some were uninvolved civilians and others were killed under unclear circumstances.


If you want peace you need to end the occupation and end apartheid.
 

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From your article:

Tensions between Israel and the Palestinians have been elevated for the past year, with the military carrying out near-nightly raids in the West Bank, amid a series of deadly Palestinian terror attacks.

On Monday, six Palestinians were killed and nearly 100 were wounded in gun battles in Jenin in the northern West Bank. Eight IDF soldiers sustained light-to-moderate injuries in the clashes and as a result of a massive roadside bomb that was detonated next to an army vehicle.

Since the beginning of the year, Palestinian attacks in Israel and the West Bank have killed 24 people and left several more seriously hurt, including Tuesday’s attack.

According to a tally by The Times of Israel, 126 West Bank Palestinians have been killed during that span, most of them during clashes with security forces, but some were uninvolved civilians and others were killed under unclear circumstances.


If you want peace you need to end the occupation and end apartheid.

Tensions between Israel and the Palestinians have been elevated for the past year, with the military carrying out near-nightly raids in the West Bank, amid a series of deadly Palestinian terror attacks.

terrotists have been attacking civilians that's why the IDF is conducting raids to STOP THEM typical of anti-israel and anti-semitic franky to ignore and make excuses for terrorists atttacks and recently equates jews with terrorists



franky calling civilian Jews terrorists



" How do differentiate between 'random Jews' and terrorists now"?
 
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Tensions between Israel and the Palestinians have been elevated for the past year, with the military carrying out near-nightly raids in the West Bank, amid a series of deadly Palestinian terror attacks.
There are way more military and settler terrorist attacks.
 

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You used this same argument in justifying...
Wow that's dumb. You have openly said that all Jews are valid targets because "you can't tell them apart". So much for your claims of supporting international law.

Someone attacking you - you can defend yourself.
Someone has a house where you don't want them or drives down a road where you don't think people of their religion should be - attacking them is terrorism

Sadly you know you've (once again) exposed your overt racism so your only recourse is to try and lie about everyone else.


Hell, PIJ openly claimed the dead as their fighters and have bragged about them shooting at the Israelis but you still desperately try to pretend the dead militants are really innocent civilians and the film and video showing them attacking should be ignored.
 
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