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Frankfooter

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Yes, that tends to happen when the suspect and other armed gunmen try to disrupt an arrest.

p.s. You've repeated your belief that Israel shouldn't try to arrest Palestinian suspects.
Death squads happen with arrests?
Not here, we don't need death squads to 'arrest' anyone.
 

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Yet you defended the killing of a 15 year old for driving while Jewish.
So the foreign 'settler' who had joined the militia was also an under age driver?
Blame the mother who brought her children to an illegal occupation to try to take the land of the occupied people.
Not the people resisting the occuaption.

Would you take your kids to Crimea if Putin promised you free land?
 

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So why do you deny the self determination of 10 million Israelis who want to remain Israelis and the 5 million Palestinians who don't want to live in One State?
All living under Israeli rule should have all basic human rights, including the right to self determination and the right to vote.
Don't forget to give that right, along with the right of return, to all 5 million Palestinian refugees.

Oh wait, you can't, Israel has already lost the demographic battle so needs apartheid to rule.
Cuz they don't have the votes for a democracy any more.
 

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The terrorists routinely use civilians as shields. Sometimes even ambulances. You're just too steeped in Jew hatred to acknowledge the simple facts. Disgusting.
Clueless, broken and brainwashed.
 

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All living under Israeli rule should have all basic human rights, including the right to self determination and the right to vote.
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So the foreign 'settler' who had joined the militia was also an under age driver?
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So you are sticking with the claim that the 15 year old in the back seat was really a terrorist while PIJ's Rocket chief is an innocent civilian. (How can a 15 year old be in the army?)

You're sticking with Palestinian gunmen being allowed to shoot at Israelis but Israeli forces are not allowed to fire back.

You're sticking with claims of supporting self determination while claiming that neither Jews nor Palestinians have that right because you know better. Sorry, Palestinians do not want to be Israelis and don't want to live in a state with Jews. Israelis, including Arab Israelis want to remain Israeli and not be part of a Palestinian state.

And in the other thread, you're sticking with the claim that Palestinian attacks on Jewish civilians and indiscriminate rocket fire are legitimate self defence.
 

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So you are sticking with the claim that the 15 year old in the back seat was really a terrorist while PIJ's Rocket chief is an innocent civilian. (How can a 15 year old be in the army?)

You're sticking with Palestinian gunmen being allowed to shoot at Israelis but Israeli forces are not allowed to fire back.

You're sticking with claims of supporting self determination while claiming that neither Jews nor Palestinians have that right because you know better. Sorry, Palestinians do not want to be Israelis and don't want to live in a state with Jews. Israelis, including Arab Israelis want to remain Israeli and not be part of a Palestinian state.

And in the other thread, you're sticking with the claim that Palestinian attacks on Jewish civilians and indiscriminate rocket fire are legitimate self defence.
One of the two teens was a militant, not sure how old she was.
That makes her a legit target.

More importantly, the mother is a foreigner, there as a colonial settler to take land from the occupied, native people.
The same land you claim should be part of the two state solution, which jc says is impossible.

You claim to support the two state solution yet support colonial land theft each and every time its noted here.
I think the two state solution is dead, so I support the Palestinian BDS movement.
Supporting BDS is consistent with being against colonial land theft, equal rights also means Palestinians should have rights to stay in their homes and also the right of return to their homes and parent's homes.

Palestinians have the right to self defence but not the right to attack militants.
But right now 'random Jews' are indistinguishable from militants.

CCTV captures moment Israeli settlers attack Palestinian village
CCTV cameras from a Palestinian home captured the start of an attack by Israeli settlers which damaged property and left some requiring medical treatment in a village near Nablus in the occupied West Bank. It's the second such attack on Burqa village in as many weeks, Israelis from the nearby illegal outpost burned down a farmhouse in Burqa in late May 2023.

Tell us how Palestinians can differentiate between 'random Jews' and terrorist settlers.
 
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Today's a great anniversary.

 

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One of the two teens was a militant, not sure how old she was.
That makes her a legit target.
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Your usual racist bullshit and lies. And wait, are you saying you have no idea what you're talking about and simply pushing nonsense propaganda?

You've complained that the PIJ head of rockets was targeted even though his express job was war crimes and terrorism. A moral person with that opinion couldn't then turn around and say Palestinian gunmen are allowed to shoot up cars with random licence plates because some of them may be off duty soldiers.

And in the exact same thing, you complain that Israel sometimes resorts to shooting Palestinian militants during arrest attempts. If you really felt that being a militant makes one a legitimate target then you'd be okay with those actions.

Of course you show you have no interest in the idea of self-determination. The only thing you support is Palestinians doing whatever you think will harm Israel's Jews. If you actually supported self-determination, you'd support pushing both sides to negotiate a peace instead of demanding Israel force the Palestinians into a resolution they hate and would never accept.

You're just another hopeless racist who's somehow convinced himself that his racism is a good thing.

But right now 'random Jews' are indistinguishable from militants.
And back to your racist claims that any Jew is fair game.
 

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Your usual racist bullshit and lies. And wait, are you saying you have no idea what you're talking about and simply pushing nonsense propaganda?

You've complained that the PIJ head of rockets was targeted even though his express job was war crimes and terrorism. A moral person with that opinion couldn't then turn around and say Palestinian gunmen are allowed to shoot up cars with random licence plates because some of them may be off duty soldiers.

And in the exact same thing, you complain that Israel sometimes resorts to shooting Palestinian militants during arrest attempts. If you really felt that being a militant makes one a legitimate target then you'd be okay with those actions.

Of course you show you have no interest in the idea of self-determination. The only thing you support is Palestinians doing whatever you think will harm Israel's Jews. If you actually supported self-determination, you'd support pushing both sides to negotiate a peace instead of demanding Israel force the Palestinians into a resolution they hate and would never accept.

You're just another hopeless racist who's somehow convinced himself that his racism is a good thing.


And back to your racist claims that any Jew is fair game.
Israeli terror attacks are going way up.
‘The Arsonists Are Running the Fire Station’. Why Israeli Settler Attacks Are Growing More Frequent

Everything you support is making the situation there worse for Palestinians and Jews.
Apartheid, the occupation, illegal settlements, settler attacks and tit for tat violence.

You need to support equal rights.
Stop supporting aparthied.
Stop supporting violence.
 
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Another day and more of the same, more 'police arrests' as basketcase calls them.

Its so bad that even Biden is saying cut it out.

And more ethnic cleansing at the hands of terrorist settlers.
 
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Another day and more of the same, more 'police arrests' as basketcase calls them.
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Wait. Do you only apply this opinion only apply to Jews?

International law says if they are militants they are legit targets.
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Disgusting that you push that bullshit while at the same time claiming
But right now 'random Jews' are indistinguishable from militants.
 

Frankfooter

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Wait. Do you only apply this opinion only apply to Jews?
That's a trope, there is lots of Jewish opposition to Israeli apartheid and brutality.
Israel: Rights groups call for UN to oppose IHRA antisemitism definition

B'tselem, Yesh Din, Breaking the Silence and others warn IHRA definition has been used to 'silence dissent' over treatment of Palestinians

Israeli policy is the problem.

As for the 'arrests', this is part of what you call 'arrests'.
 
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Klatuu

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That's a trope, there is lots of Jewish opposition to Israeli apartheid and brutality.
Israel: Rights groups call for UN to oppose IHRA antisemitism definition

B'tselem, Yesh Din, Breaking the Silence and others warn IHRA definition has been used to 'silence dissent' over treatment of Palestinians
EU report on the abuse of individuals using the IHRA definition….as was predicted.

 
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That's a trope, there is lots of Jewish opposition to Israeli apartheid and brutality....
I love how you insanely think that it's racist to call out your overt hatred of Jews being in Israel and your continual use of anti-semitic tropes. You have repeatedly shown an idiotic double standard when it comes to Jews.

You claim
- Palestinians have a right of self determination but Israelis don't (and then you ignore what Palestinians want)
- Palestinian militants, even those in charge of war crimes or actively shooting at Jews should be protected from consequences but Jews are fair game because some small number of other Jews act violently.
- Palestinians should have a right to be anywhere in Israel but Jews have no right to even travel through the West Bank (your version of equal rights).
- Calling Hamas or PIJ terrorists is racist but it's okay to target Jews around the world over a dislike of Israel.
- Palestinian groups firing indiscriminate rockets towards Israeli cities or shooting at settlements is self defence but Israel shooting back at Palestinian gunmen is a crime.

And of course you don't want to discuss Canada's definition of anti-semitism because you check off way too many of the points on their list.
 

Frankfooter

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I love how you insanely think that it's racist to call out your overt hatred of Jews being in Israel and your continual use of anti-semitic tropes. You have repeatedly shown an idiotic double standard when it comes to Jews.

You claim
- Palestinians have a right of self determination but Israelis don't (and then you ignore what Palestinians want)
- Palestinian militants, even those in charge of war crimes or actively shooting at Jews should be protected from consequences but Jews are fair game because some small number of other Jews act violently.
- Palestinians should have a right to be anywhere in Israel but Jews have no right to even travel through the West Bank (your version of equal rights).
- Calling Hamas or PIJ terrorists is racist but it's okay to target Jews around the world over a dislike of Israel.
- Palestinian groups firing indiscriminate rockets towards Israeli cities or shooting at settlements is self defence but Israel shooting back at Palestinian gunmen is a crime.

And of course you don't want to discuss Canada's definition of anti-semitism because you check off way too many of the points on their list.
Your claims are all straw man arguments.
self determination - that's a basic human right, everyone has it
militants - the local population has a right to self defence, illegal occupiers are held to protect those they occupy, Geneva conventions
travel - you stated 'Palestinians have a right to be anywhere in Israel' which I've never claimed and you can't even tell me where you think these borders lie. Its really stupid.
terrorists - you call all Palestinians 'terrorist', that's what makes it racist
indiscriminate weapons - those are war crimes, Palestinian rockets and Israeli tanks/artillery. They are not terrorism unless you can prove they are being aimed at civilian targets.

You are very dishonest, but you don't have any real arguments left so its not surprising.
You support apartheid, after all.
 

basketcase

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Your claims are all straw man arguments.
Do you not even remember what you post?
self determination - that's a basic human right, everyone has it
So why do you keep claiming israelis (Arab and Jewish) who want to remain israelis shouldn't be allowed to and Palestinians who don't want to be Israeli have to?
militants - the local population has a right to self defence, illegal occupiers are held to protect those they occupy, Geneva conventions
As I said, you claim Palestinians have a right to attack Jews and are free of consequence. Thanks for backing up everything I said. And sadly all your rights groups reject your (and hamas') argument. Again, if your terrorists want to attack military targets, that would be an act of war but that means as combatants, the IDF can shoot back. No part of international law accepts attacks targeting 100% civilian targets even if you pretend that all Jews are somehow militants.
travel - you stated 'Palestinians have a right to be anywhere in Israel' which I've never claimed and you can't even tell me where you think these borders lie. Its really stupid.
First off, you can't read because I never said Palestinians have a right. You keep claiming to support equal rights for Palestinians but keep claiming Jews can't be in the West Bank. Just more asinine hypocrisy.
terrorists - you call all Palestinians 'terrorist', that's what makes it racist
You are a pathetic liar on this. The people I call terrorists are https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/ntnl-scrt/cntr-trrrsm/lstd-ntts/crrnt-lstd-ntts-en.aspx. What makes this even more disguising is at the same time you deny that Hamas and PIJ are terrorists, you claim a 15 year old in the back of her mom's car or anyone with an Israeli licence plate is.
indiscriminate weapons - those are war crimes, Palestinian rockets and Israeli tanks/artillery. They are not terrorism unless you can prove they are being aimed at civilian targets.
More of your bullshit. Your own rights groups describe Gaza rockets as incapable of being guided and you still call them legitimate self defence. At the same time, you say the rockets are okay because they don't kill many people. That means their main use is to terrorize the civilian population. And I love how you try to pretend they aren't targeting civilian populations, just to keep up your pretence of Hamas, PIJ, PFLP etc. not being terrorists.

You are very dishonest, but you don't have any real arguments left so its not surprising.


You go to great lengths to try and justify your antisemitism but it doesn't work and when trying you just prove your racist double standard.
 
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