Trump indicted like an orange pussy meanie

[jcpro]

Dude, I get that that's the hill you're willing to die on, but the real reason Trump is fucked is because of he tried to keep his. You do recognize that is a major fucking difference? Also, Obama or Clinton didn't have any classified materials....so, that's why they are not in any trouble. And... I know its a shock to everyone, but you're wrong about there being no such thing as classified documents for a president. First, Trump is a former president....with no evidence that he declassified them. Second, just because he can view classified materials doesn't mean he can keep them...or refuse to return them...

Again. There's no such thing as a classified document to a President. And thanks for mentioning Bubba. As he had his own problem with the "presidential materials " and the judge, Amy Berman Jackson, ruled:
“Since the President is completely entrusted with the management and even the disposal of Presidential records during his time in office,” she held, “it would be difficult for this Court to conclude that Congress intended that he would have less authority to do what he pleases with what he considers to be his personal records.”

Judge Jackson added that “the PRA contains no provision obligating or even permitting the Archivist to assume control over records that the President ‘categorized’ and ‘filed separately’ as personal records. At the conclusion of the President’s term, the Archivist only ‘assumes responsibility for the Presidential records.’ . . . PRA does not confer any mandatory or even discretionary authority on the Archivist to classify records. Under the statute, this responsibility is left solely to the President.” Needless to say, if the present judge in the Trump case follows the Clinton ruling, and there's no reason to think that she won't, this case is going exactly nowhere. Just an attempt by Biden to hurt his 2024 opponent.

 

[Leimonis]

Somehow, I don't think that was the real Biden.....

Twitter is as trustworthy as my asshole on New Year's Eve.....

oops yeah you are right. Real Biden actually is funnier than that

 

[Anbarandy]

Again. There's no such thing as a classified document to a President. And thanks for mentioning Bubba. As he had his own problem with the "presidential materials " and the judge, Amy Berman Jackson, ruled:
“Since the President is completely entrusted with the management and even the disposal of Presidential records during his time in office,” she held, “it would be difficult for this Court to conclude that Congress intended that he would have less authority to do what he pleases with what he considers to be his personal records.”

Judge Jackson added that “the PRA contains no provision obligating or even permitting the Archivist to assume control over records that the President ‘categorized’ and ‘filed separately’ as personal records. At the conclusion of the President’s term, the Archivist only ‘assumes responsibility for the Presidential records.’ . . . PRA does not confer any mandatory or even discretionary authority on the Archivist to classify records. Under the statute, this responsibility is left solely to the President.” Needless to say, if the present judge in the Trump case follows the Clinton ruling, and there's no reason to think that she won't, this case is going exactly nowhere. Just an attempt by Biden to hurt his 2024 opponent.

37

ROTFLMAO!!!

 

[silentkisser]

Again. There's no such thing as a classified document to a President. And thanks for mentioning Bubba. As he had his own problem with the "presidential materials " and the judge, Amy Berman Jackson, ruled:
“Since the President is completely entrusted with the management and even the disposal of Presidential records during his time in office,” she held, “it would be difficult for this Court to conclude that Congress intended that he would have less authority to do what he pleases with what he considers to be his personal records.”

Judge Jackson added that “the PRA contains no provision obligating or even permitting the Archivist to assume control over records that the President ‘categorized’ and ‘filed separately’ as personal records. At the conclusion of the President’s term, the Archivist only ‘assumes responsibility for the Presidential records.’ . . . PRA does not confer any mandatory or even discretionary authority on the Archivist to classify records. Under the statute, this responsibility is left solely to the President.” Needless to say, if the present judge in the Trump case follows the Clinton ruling, and there's no reason to think that she won't, this case is going exactly nowhere. Just an attempt by Biden to hurt his 2024 opponent.

But again....for the 20th time, the major issue with Trump, and the reason why he was indicted....was the fact he obstructed the return of classified materials. I don't know why you have such a hard time understanding that.

As for the sock drawer ruling...It is disputed by legal scholars. But, hey, if you're right....maybe Trump walks....or dies in prison...

 

[jcpro]

But again....for the 20th time, the major issue with Trump, and the reason why he was indicted....was the fact he obstructed the return of classified materials. I don't know why you have such a hard time understanding that.

As for the sock drawer ruling...It is disputed by legal scholars. But, hey, if you're right....maybe Trump walks....or dies in prison...

You cannot obstruct that which is lawful. There's no crime, here. Getting the former President and the leading contender on a process crime is bullshit and it won't work. As for Clinton's case. It may be disputed. It's also a precedent.

 

[Leimonis]

You cannot obstruct that which is lawful. There's no crime, here. Getting the former President and the leading contender on a process crime is bullshit and it won't work.

sure worked well with that Florida jury!

 

[Anbarandy]

You cannot obstruct that which is lawful. There's no crime, here. Getting the former President and the leading contender on a process crime is bullshit and it won't work. As for Clinton's case. It may be disputed. It's also a precedent.

37 is a number enforced by law.

37 crimes here.

37 crimes is not bullshit.

37 is not a disputable number.

37 crimes is also a precedent.

 

[jalimon]

You cannot obstruct that which is lawful. There's no crime, here. Getting the former President and the leading contender on a process crime is bullshit and it won't work. As for Clinton's case. It may be disputed. It's also a precedent.

What was Clinton's case again?

 

[mandrill]

This CNN reporter, got totally Bashed.....no pun intended!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dana_Bash

Mitchy, this is what everybody else on the board has figured out and what you and JC and Orry can't grasp.... The other ex-presidents who had documents returned them when requested by the government. Trump furtively hid the documents he had taken, like a little orange monkey hiding grapes up inside its ass. When he was challenged, he claimed he had no documents, but a search found them hidden at Mar-a-Lago.

That's why he is charged.

 

[mandrill]

You cannot obstruct that which is lawful. There's no crime, here. Getting the former President and the leading contender on a process crime is bullshit and it won't work. As for Clinton's case. It may be disputed. It's also a precedent.

But it's not lawful. He can't declassify documents.

 

[kherg007]

BTW you can obstruct justice, even if it was ultimately lawful. If an investigation of a theft of a diamond ring), and you mislead investigators etc, even if later the theft is found to not occur (eg, misplaced the diamond ring, it was not stolen) you can still be charged, as the statutes refer to obstructing investigations.
For the record.

 

[jcpro]

BTW you can obstruct justice, even if it was ultimately lawful. If an investigation of a theft of a diamond ring), and you mislead investigators etc, even if later the theft is found to not occur (eg, misplaced the diamond ring, it was not stolen) you can still be charged, as the statutes refer to obstructing investigations.
For the record.

Not if they started the investigation knowing that the theft never occurred.

 

[jalimon]

But it's not lawful. He can't declassify documents.

Can you imagine the shit show what would 4 more years be?

The guy had US secret document by his toilet bowl for fuck sake. And my take is that he will get away with it.

He has millions of brainwashed followers who think is the new savior! Just like Iran did many years ago with they Ayatollah...

 

[mandrill]

Not if they started the investigation knowing that the theft never occurred.

But he still lied to the DoJ and the FBI. That's "obstruct justice". He committed a crime.

 

[mandrill]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1669064178605371392

 

[mandrill]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1668988901824888841

 

[Pleasure Hound]

Can you imagine the shit show what would 4 more years be?

The guy had US secret document by his toilet bowl for fuck sake. And my take is that he will get away with it.

He has millions of brainwashed followers who think is the new savior! Just like Iran did many years ago with they Ayatollah...

Don't get me started on my hypothesis!!!!!

 

[jcpro]

But he still lied to the DoJ and the FBI. That's "obstruct justice". He committed a crime.

says who? The prosecutor who had his "big case" on bribery overturned by the Supreme Court in an unanimous 8-0 decision? In another political case. That's unprecedented.

 

[mandrill]

says who? The prosecutor who had his "big case" on bribery overturned by the Supreme Court in an unanimous 8-0 decision? In another political case. That's unprecedented.

is it a crime to lie to an fbi agent - Google Zoeken

5 second google search. There you go.

Now I know you specialize in dumb questions, but there has to be a limit to how dumb they are....

 

[danmand]

Again. There's no such thing as a classified document to a President. And thanks for mentioning Bubba. As he had his own problem with the "presidential materials " and the judge, Amy Berman Jackson, ruled:
“Since the President is completely entrusted with the management and even the disposal of Presidential records during his time in office,” she held, “it would be difficult for this Court to conclude that Congress intended that he would have less authority to do what he pleases with what he considers to be his personal records.”

Judge Jackson added that “the PRA contains no provision obligating or even permitting the Archivist to assume control over records that the President ‘categorized’ and ‘filed separately’ as personal records. At the conclusion of the President’s term, the Archivist only ‘assumes responsibility for the Presidential records.’ . . . PRA does not confer any mandatory or even discretionary authority on the Archivist to classify records. Under the statute, this responsibility is left solely to the President.” Needless to say, if the present judge in the Trump case follows the Clinton ruling, and there's no reason to think that she won't, this case is going exactly nowhere. Just an attempt by Biden to hurt his 2024 opponent.

That is what I think is self evident: The President cannot be convicted of espionage. And the idea that he cannot take some of his documents with him to the washroom is laughable.