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For the uninformed......

1. Prighozny has never been in the military he is just a front.

2. WAGNER is composed exclusively of Russian/ex Soviet previous contract soldiers including all officers and enlisted men.

Previous contract soldiers remain what they are...with or without a criminal conviction.

3. All the support arms and logistics for WAGNER activities are supplied by the regular Russian Army

4. The regular Russian Army has been going about its business quietly, efficiently and successfully

What General Surovikin achieved (in tandem with Prighozny) was to keep Zelensky, the UKi General Staff, NATO and the Western MSM fixated on Bahkmut.

They successfully created the rabbit hole that > 500,000 killed and wounded UKi's fell into, never to return.

Talk of Wunderwaffen planes and Spring offensives are mere Kabuki Theatre.....the UKi, NATO, the West have nothing in their locker that will affect the eventual defeat and dismemberment of country 404.

Be under no illusion. The Russian General Staff have broken the back of the UKi NAZI Beast.......
 

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For the uninformed......

1. Prighozny has never been in the military he is just a front.

2. WAGNER is composed exclusively of Russian/ex Soviet previous contract soldiers including all officers and enlisted men.

Previous contract soldiers remain what they are...with or without a criminal conviction.

3. All the support arms and logistics for WAGNER activities are supplied by the regular Russian Army

4. The regular Russian Army has been going about its business quietly, efficiently and successfully

What General Surovikin achieved (in tandem with Prighozny) was to keep Zelensky, the UKi General Staff, NATO and the Western MSM fixated on Bahkmut.

They successfully created the rabbit hole that > 500,000 killed and wounded UKi's fell into, never to return.

Talk of Wunderwaffen planes and Spring offensives are mere Kabuki Theatre.....the UKi, NATO, the West have nothing in their locker that will affect the eventual defeat and dismemberment of country 404.

Be under no illusion. The Russian General Staff have broken the back of the UKi NAZI Beast.......
So why didn't Russia take Kyiv and Kharkiv and hold Kherson, Addyovsky?
 

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Strategically unimportant:
Seriously, Vatnik?

Literally a phrase I've never said on these forums. Is your mind that addled? This is literally spin; it's a strawman. You're saying I engaged in spin by giving a phrase I never said? You're as fake as Stolen Valour was.

Before I put you on ignore, because I'm not going to discuss with someone who strawman's me, let me just recommend you read "They Thought They Were Free", because you're on the wrong side of history, supporting a war criminal because you bought some bullshit propaganda, and maybe, just maybe, reading and other people who fell for propaganda will help you see reality.
 

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This proxy war:
The war has nothing to do with wokism. Western governments are only wokist because that is how they intend to divide and disrupt the people from making a consolidated stand against them.
The war is about trying to conquer the resources and the land of a perceived weaker power. The fact that the warmongers in the West see Russia as weak and easily defeated tells you all you need to know about their lack of historical education and their belief that they can win anything if they wish on it hard enough.
They are like little kids, playing in the sandbox, clueless as to the ramifications of what they are doing.


Go Trump Go! I believe Trump will end this proxy war within 24 or 48 hrs. Fired the deep state! Trump 2024 ! MAGA !
 

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This proxy war:
The war has nothing to do with wokism. Western governments are only wokist because that is how they intend to divide and disrupt the people from making a consolidated stand against them.
The war is about trying to conquer the resources and the land of a perceived weaker power. The fact that the warmongers in the West see Russia as weak and easily defeated tells you all you need to know about their lack of historical education and their belief that they can win anything if they wish on it hard enough.
They are like little kids, playing in the sandbox, clueless as to the ramifications of what they are doing.


Go Trump Go! I believe Trump will end this proxy war within 24 or 48 hrs. Fired the deep state! Trump 2024 ! MAGA !
But if the West sees Russia as "weak and easily defeated", why is it just enabling and supporting a limited defensive war in Ukraine and not actually invading and seizing those valuable polar bears in Siberia?
 

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The latest senior Russian official to die from mysterious illness follows pattern of ‘murky’ deat

 

Addict2sex

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Seriously, Vatnik?

Literally a phrase I've never said on these forums. Is your mind that addled? This is literally spin; it's a strawman. You're saying I engaged in spin by giving a phrase I never said? You're as fake as Stolen Valour was.

Before I put you on ignore, because I'm not going to discuss with someone who strawman's me, let me just recommend you read "They Thought They Were Free", because you're on the wrong side of history, supporting a war criminal because you bought some bullshit propaganda, and maybe, just maybe, reading and other people who fell for propaganda will help you see reality.
Strategically unimportant:

That what Zelensky said about Bakhmut.
 

NotADcotor

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Strategically unimportant:

That what Zelensky said about Bakhmut.
It is very important, the most important place in the world, nowhere is more important, and nobody knows about importance than he does

If that is what it takes into getting the Russians to spend months doing a frontal assault on an urban area like a bunch of gullible mooks. Even better, give up some ground to make them think they are doing well.

Of course once it is taken, it's done it's job and it goes back to being unimportant random clay.
 

Addict2sex

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Look at Ukraine numbers of killed by Russian army.


PS. Prigozhin talks of losing while winning..
whereas US commanders invariably talk of winning while getting their a$$es kicked!
 

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Look at Ukraine numbers of killed by Russian army.


PS. Prigozhin talks of losing while winning..
whereas US commanders invariably talk of winning while getting their a$$es kicked!
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Also Macgregors statements on the conflict in the past.
MacGregor was wrong when he said, before the invasion, that the Russians would obliterate the Ukrainians.
Then in March 2022, he said that the Russian army was “too gentle”, but now “will complete everything” within 10 days
Douglas Macgregor has said there's no point in sanctioning Russia and that America should "absolutely" let Putin take over as much of Ukraine as it wants.
He was nominated as the US ambassador to Germany but was denied because of his history of racism.
Lots more but he has been a supporter of Russia and Putin since at least 2016 an while he was an advisor in the previous US administration.
 

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...., let me just recommend you read "They Thought They Were Free", because you're on the wrong side of history, supporting a war criminal because you bought some bullshit propaganda, and maybe, just maybe, reading and other people who fell for propaganda will help you see reality.
Great book.

Here is an excerpt: https://press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/511928.html

"What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if the people could not understand it, it could not be released because of national security. And their sense of identification with Hitler, their trust in him, made it easier to widen this gap and reassured those who would otherwise have worried about it.

"This separation of government from people, this widening of the gap, took place so gradually and so insensibly, each step disguised (perhaps not even intentionally) as a temporary emergency measure or associated with true patriotic allegiance or with real social purposes. And all the crises and reforms (real reforms, too) so occupied the people that they did not see the slow motion underneath, of the whole process of government growing remoter and remoter.
 

NotADcotor

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whereas US commanders invariably talk of winning while getting their a$$es kicked!
When did this happen. One example.

The US doesn't lose wars, they lose interest in wars, that is very different than getting your ass kicked. I don't suppose a hate monger would be able to tell the difference.
 

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When did this happen. One example.

The US doesn't lose wars, they lose interest in wars, that is very different than getting your ass kicked. I don't suppose a hate monger would be able to tell the difference.
Want to see how to run a "Special Military Operation"? Check the Liberation of Kuwait. Coalition forces had secured the country and Iraqi forces were in full retreat across the border by D+4.

Or if you wanna get spicy, take the Invasion of Iraq, which lasted barely a month. Sure, they had trouble controlling the populace, but at no point was there any hint they would lose their occupation of every single key area. The Battle of Baghdad took 6 days.

In fact, it took exactly the same number of days for the Coalition to go from stepping across the border to securing the capital as it took for Russia to step across the border and pull all troops back from their failed attempt to take the capital. 1 month, 1 week, 4 days.

It's like people who joke about how the French always retreat.... You immediately know they have never cracked a textbook and have no knowledge of the subject.

What I find even crazier is they say the US was responsible for regime change in Ukraine, but then go on about how useless and incompetent the US is. Pretty contradictory statements.
 

mandrill

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Look at Ukraine numbers of killed by Russian army.


PS. Prigozhin talks of losing while winning..
whereas US commanders invariably talk of winning while getting their a$$es kicked!
McGregor is a neo fascist shit-weasel.

On the "underclass" and slavery
In a 2013 radio appearance, Macgregor spoke of an "entitled" "underclass" of people that were concentrated in "large urban areas", and the threat they posed.

"And when the food stamps stop, when the free services end, when the heating bills aren’t paid and the heating doesn’t come through in many of these large cities—Chicago, Philadelphia, New York, Washington, Baltimore, St. Louis, Detroit, New Orleans, San Francisco, Los Angeles—this underclass that resides in these places, I think could become very violent."[34]
In 2019, he argued for the myth that there were more White, mostly Irish "slaves" than African slaves in America in the late 1700s.[34]

On the Kosovo War
In 2014, Macgregor went on Russian state-owned RT to express his opposition to U.S. intervention in the Kosovo War.[26] He described the results of US intervention in Kosovo as to "put, essentially, a Muslim drug mafia in charge of that country".[3]

On NATO
In a 2016 presentation to military students, Macgregor said that "old alliances like NATO may vanish", arguing that it is "time to reexamine U.S. investment in 'allies' that are doing too little to secure their own sovereign interests" and that the "Cold War ended 27 years ago".[41]

On immigration
In 2020, CNN reviewed his public commentary and

found he often demonized immigrants and refugees. He warned Mexican cartels were "driving millions of Mexicans with no education, no skills and the wrong culture into the United States, placing them essentially as wards of the American people". He repeatedly advocated instituting martial law at the US-Mexico border and to "shoot people" if necessary.[3]
In 2019, on the Conservative Commandos radio show, Macgregor said that George Soros was financing the transportation of foreigners to the United States to destroy American culture:

“The largest problem of all is really a network of people like George Soros, who are committed Marxists, who see the destruction of the United States and of Western Europe as a means to an end of creating what they think will be this global society and the planet... Pretty soon, there won’t be very many Americans left inside the United States if they can ship in enough of these foreigners. And of course, the big falsehood is ‘well, they’ll all become Americans. Just give them time.’ We don’t see much evidence for that right now. In fact, we see the opposite. We see hardcore points of foreign culture that is hostile to the United States, hostile to our values, hostile to our way of life forming across the country.
He made similar claims about Soros on Lou Dobbs' Fox show in December 2019.[22] He has described Muslim migrants in Europe as "unwanted invaders", arriving "with the goal of eventually turning Europe into an Islamic state".[34] In April 2021 on Frank Morano's radio show, Macgregor blamed the Democratic Party for immigration:

I think some of you must have seen the thousands of pregnant women coming up from Latin America, so they can have their children here — and then, the child immediately is declared an American citizen. And again, all of this is part of the grand plan. This is what Mr. Biden and his supporters want. They want another country. They don't want the United States.[42]
These views were described by MSNBC, Media Matters for America, The Insider and Newsweek as a version of Great Replacement Theory.[43][44][45][46]

 
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