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I don’t think the invasion is unjustified…….
So then Mister Soldier of Fortune, why not offer your "contractor" expertise to Russia? You can certainly continue your work as a keyboard warrior remotely. If they don’t actually try to verify your bona fides…:ROFLMAO:
 
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I completely agree with you about dirty, rusty AK-47’s still being able to shoot. I was just using the fact that ‘the second greatest army in Ukraine’ has resorted to issuing them to soldiers today!
Russians don't throw away arms, they mothball them; sometimes they sell them when they get really old. That's how you can buy in North America the vintage SKS rifles(1950s) and ammo right out of the Russian army storage.
 
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If you want to be lied to, that's fine. You do you.
Some of us are a bit more skeptical.
You mean like the various "theories " who blew up the pipe line? Maybe the origin Of Covid-19? No, thanks.
 

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Russians don't throw away arms, they mothball them; sometimes they sell them when they get really old. That's how you can buy in North America the vintage SKS rifles(1950s) and ammo right out of the Russian army storage.
The way things are going for them it looks like the next round of trade restrictions against Russia will be US pawn shops! :ROFLMAO:

The Ukrainians are going out and gathering Russian rifles and gear from the dead orcs, sanitizing them and using them to kill more Russians.

Fun fact. Russia has been the largest supplier of tanks, by far, to Ukraine! All captured.

Russia is now reportedly confiscating septic tanks. Once they get them cleaned up and running they are going to start their next attacks!
 

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Because the "legitimacy " of Putin is a strong leader, effectively defending his people while delivering stability. This was Ukrainian hail Mary like the Doolittle Raid by Roosevelt.
Ukraine said they did not.

Its sus to me given how the thing exploded with a big flash and then if it was a real explosive, it would throw shrapnel and the dome would show being hit. Seemed to go "poooff" The camera in a perfect angle etc.,

Maybe it is Russia's excuse to escalate war because they couldn't hack it the way they are going about it now.
 

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I don’t think the invasion is unjustified…….
People accuse me of being a Kremlin lackey here, and even I will tell you the invasion is NOT justified.

The invasion was inevitable given NATO provocation and actions. But you cannot say that Russia was right to invade either.
 

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Ukraine said they did not.

Its sus to me given how the thing exploded with a big flash and then if it was a real explosive, it would throw shrapnel and the dome would show being hit. Seemed to go "poooff" The camera in a perfect angle etc.,

Maybe it is Russia's excuse to escalate war because they couldn't hack it the way they are going about it now.
Escalate to what? They've been missiling the whole country for over a year. What else can they do short of going ABC?
 

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The way things are going for them it looks like the next round of trade restrictions against Russia will be US pawn shops! :ROFLMAO:

The Ukrainians are going out and gathering Russian rifles and gear from the dead orcs, sanitizing them and using them to kill more Russians.

Fun fact. Russia has been the largest supplier of tanks, by far, to Ukraine! All captured.

Russia is now reportedly confiscating septic tanks. Once they get them cleaned up and running they are going to start their next attacks!
LOL!! Picking up enemies' weapons is a time honored tradition. That's why Romans constructed pillium with a weak joint, so it could not be thrown back at them.
 

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Escalate to what? They've been missiling the whole country for over a year. What else can they do short of going ABC?
I dont know, they could use nukes or ballistic missiles with huge conventional warheads may be?. Putin is crazy enough to do that.
 

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I dont know, they could use nukes or ballistic missiles with huge conventional warheads may be?. Putin is crazy enough to do that.
Attack on Moscow is a huge problem for Putin. It strikes right at his legitimacy and his narrative of the limited border war, not to mention that Rodina is no longer secured. This could lead to his removal. Therefore, he must now throw something really heavy on Ukraine just to save face. Hopefully not a nuke.
 

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Attack on Moscow is a huge problem for Putin. It strikes right at his legitimacy and his narrative of the limited border war, not to mention that Rodina is no longer secured. This could lead to his removal.
I wouldn't go so far as his removal over a drone that went *pooofff*.
 

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I wouldn't go so far as his removal over a drone that went *pooofff*.
Why not? Putin built his whole career on the image of a strong, competent and decisive leader. The attack on Moscow shows weakness and unpredictability.
 

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Why not? Putin built his whole career on the image of a strong, competent and decisive leader. The attack on Moscow shows weakness and unpredictability.
Unlikely based on a single drone attack and that too something Ukraine has denied having any involvement with. If Putin is deposed it is to Ukraine's advantage, so why would they deny it?
 

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Unlikely based on a single drone attack and that too something Ukraine has denied having any involvement with. If Putin is deposed it is to Ukraine's advantage, so why would they deny it?
They deny it because they don't want to be nuked. In that part of the world, often what is left unsaid speaks the loudest. The Ukrainians bounced a drone off the roof of the Kremlin. That will have a long and lasting effect in Russia.
 

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They deny it because they don't want to be nuked. In that part of the world, often what is left unsaid speaks the loudest. The Ukrainians bounced a drone off the roof of the Kremlin. That will have a long and lasting effect in Russia.
Nothing will happen. No one will care.
 

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Ukraine said they did not.

Its sus to me given how the thing exploded with a big flash and then if it was a real explosive, it would throw shrapnel and the dome would show being hit. Seemed to go "poooff" The camera in a perfect angle etc.,

Maybe it is Russia's excuse to escalate war because they couldn't hack it the way they are going about it now.
The video seems legitimate, here is a picture of shrapnel and fire damage to the roof of the Kremlin. You can see the temporary repair done with sheet metal.


Looks like it might be the work of partisians.
A former Russian lawmaker linked with militant groups in Russia claims the recent drone attack on the Kremlin is the work of what he calls Russian partisans, not the Ukrainian military.
https://www.news.az/news/former-rus...an lawmaker linked,News.az reports citing CNN.
 

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The video seems legitimate, here is a picture of shrapnel and fire damage to the roof of the Kremlin. You can see the temporary repair done with sheet metal.
Looks like it might be the work of partisians.
A former Russian lawmaker linked with militant groups in Russia claims the recent drone attack on the Kremlin is the work of what he calls Russian partisans, not the Ukrainian military.
https://www.news.az/news/former-russian-lawmaker-claims-partisan-group-behind-kremlin-drone-attack#:~:text=A former Russian lawmaker linked,News.az reports citing CNN.
Thanks, I did not see this picture.

Its possible that it is the work of partisans given the Ukrainians have denied any involvement.
 

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Nothing will happen. No one will care.
I guarantee you that Putin cares and so do the Russian people, while the Ukrainians will be celebrating behind the drawn curtains. That was a calculated move aimed at Putin himself, not to assassinate- that's preposterous for anyone who ever visited Kremlin- but to shake the faith of the Russians in his leadership and the way he runs this war.
 

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I guarantee you that Putin cares and so do the Russian people, while the Ukrainians will be celebrating behind the drawn curtains. That was a calculated move aimed at Putin himself, not to assassinate- that's preposterous for anyone who ever visited Kremlin- but to shake the faith of the Russians in his leadership and the way he runs this war.
They wont care enough to depose Putin over a drone attack. He is at war, it is to be expected. What will get him deposed is if he loses or in some way capitulates. This particular drone attack wont have anyone actually challenging his leadership.
 
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