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Putin sends his 'invisible' T-14 Armata tanks into battle in Ukraine for the first time after Britain said using 'poor condition' fleet was 'high risk' for Russia
  • RIA said that the tanks have been fitted with extra protection on their flanks
  • It said crews have done 'combat coordination' at training grounds in Ukraine
By JAMES CALLERY and REUTERS

PUBLISHED: 01:15 EDT, 25 April 2023 | UPDATED: 16:33 EDT, 26 April 2023

Russia has begun using its new T-14 Armata battle tanks to fire on Ukrainian positions 'but they have not yet participated in direct assault operations,' the RIA state news agency reported on Tuesday, quoting a source close the matter.

RIA said that the tanks have been fitted with extra protection on their flanks and crews have undergone 'combat coordination' at training grounds in Ukraine.

The T-14 tank has an unmanned turret, with crew remotely controlling the armaments from 'an isolated armoured capsule located in the front of the hull'.


In 2015, the designers of the T-14 claimed it would be the world's first invisible tank.
The vehicles have a maximum speed on the highway of 80 kilometres (50 miles) per hour, RIA reported.






Russia has begun using its new T-14 Armata battle tanks to fire on Ukrainian positions 'but they have not yet participated in direct assault operations,' the RIA state news agency reported on Tuesday, quoting a source close the matter.
RIA said that the tanks have been fitted with extra protection on their flanks and crews have undergone 'combat coordination' at training grounds in Ukraine.
The T-14 tank has an unmanned turret, with crew remotely controlling the armaments from 'an isolated armoured capsule located in the front of the hull'.


Pictured: Armata T-14 battle tanks move along Tverskaya Street ahead of a Victory Day Parade rehearsal in Moscow's Red Square
Pictured: Russian tank Armata T-14 during the Victory Day military parade in the Red Square in Moscow


Pictured: Russian tank Armata T-14 during the Victory Day military parade in the Red Square in Moscow

n January, British military intelligence reported that Russian forces in Ukraine were reluctant to accept the first tranche of the tanks due to their 'poor condition'.

It also said that any deployment of the T-14 would likely be 'a high-risk decision' for Russia, and one taken primarily for propaganda purposes.

'Production is probably only in the low tens, while commanders are unlikely to trust the vehicle in combat,' the British military said.

T-14 Armata tanks

Crew: 3
Length: 10.8m
Width: 3.5m
Combat weight: 48 tonnes
Max speed: 90km/h
Manufacturer: Uralvagonzavod
Source: Army Technology

'Eleven years in development, the programme has been dogged with delays, reduction in planned fleet size, and reports of manufacturing problems.'

The T-14 would also pose a logistical headache for Russia as it is larger and heavier than other Russian tanks.

The Kremlin ordered the production of 2,300 of the tanks - first unveiled in 2015 - by 2020, but this was later stretched to 2025, according to Russian media reports.

The Interfax news agency reported in December 2021 that the state conglomerate Rostec had started the production of some 40 tanks, with an anticipated delivery after 2023.

The T-14 war machine was among the new vehicles unveiled by Putin at Russia's Victory Day parade in Moscow in 2015.

It was produced as part of Russia's £250billion military update programme.

The previous Russian tank, the T-90, was designed to have a low profile, light armour, and to be extremely manoeuvrable on the battlefield.

It weighed 20 tonnes less than the American Abrams tank, but that meant it was also particularly vulnerable if hit by high-explosive rounds.

By comparison, the Armata T-14 has a high ground clearance and increased armour, especially on the tank's traditionally soft underbelly in order to protect the crew from mines.

The T-14 Armata is equipped with an unmanned turret mounting a 125mm 2A82-1M smoothbore gun fed by an automatic loader.

The turret holds 45 rounds of ammunition, including ready-to-use ammunition. The main gun can also fire laser-guided missiles.

The tank's remote-controlled main turret was designed in such a way to improve the crew's chances of survival if the tank is hit.

Instead, those inside are locked inside an armoured pod, which is also separate from the tank's ammunition store.

Pictured: T-14 Armata main battle tanks during the Victory Day military parade in Red Square marking the 75th anniversary of the victory in World War II, on June 24, 2020

Pictured: T-14 Armata main battle tanks during the Victory Day military parade in Red Square marking
the 75th anniversary of the victory in World War II, on June 24, 2020

Pictured: Russian Armata T-14 tanks move along a street in Moscow as day breaks following Victory Day military parade night training on May 5, 2015

Pictured: Russian Armata T-14 tanks move along a street in Moscow as day breaks following Victory Day
military parade night training on May 5, 2015






If the outer armour of the tank is hit, it is designed to explode outwards, potentially detonating any explosive rounds fired at it, and preventing heavy shells from penetrating it.

In 2015, developers UralVagonZavod made claims that the T-14 is loaded with high-tech equipment that will screen it from enemy radar and infra-red heat-seeking target finders.

The manufacturer's head of special equipment Vyacheslav Khalitov boasted: 'We essentially made the invisible tank.'

Khalitov went on to claim that the T-14's special stealth technology includes radar absorbing paint and materials that make it resistant to rapid detection by radar.
 
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Wagner's leader issues ominous warnings about his troops in Ukraine as his twats and killers are running out of ammunition. Aw, what a shame.





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Khalitov went on to claim that the T-14's special stealth technology includes radar absorbing paint and materials that make it resistant to rapid detection by radar.
T-14 is supposed to be a great tank. Too bad for the Russian military, they only seem to have a dozen or two available.

In terms of numbers, it's like the Nazis deploying a few King Tigers (of course the King Tiger outclassed anything on the battlefield while the T-14 is simply in the same class as top NATO tanks.
 

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Trouble in Invader's Paradise. Who is going to kill who is the question?

 

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T-14 is supposed to be a great tank. Too bad for the Russian military, they only seem to have a dozen or two available.

In terms of numbers, it's like the Nazis deploying a few King Tigers (of course the King Tiger outclassed anything on the battlefield while the T-14 is simply in the same class as top NATO tanks.
So good that they are only sending them in after sending in refurbished T62/64s? and t54/55s.
Considering that Perun looking into claims that Russia was sending it's junk tanks in first early in the war but found out that losses were actually over represented among their newer gear. So actually they seem to be sending in their best that they can.
This would seem to imply that the T-14 despite how it looks on paper, in reality is so bad that it somehow ranks before the T54/55.
From what I've heard it has massive relability issues even ignoring it getting stuck on the parade ground and I'd bet dollars to sweet sweet donuts <homer slobber> that a lot of their other claims for the tank will not perform to claims in the real world, much like their claims about the cluster fuck that they call a military.
I also very much doubt they are a match for the top rank NATO tanks, probably better than the M-60 and the Leo 1, if they don't break down [another parallel to the King Tiger.
 

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Trouble in Invader's Paradise. Who is going to kill who is the question?
I am rather shocked that he hasn't taken a stroll off a top story building yet.
 

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PS. Mainstream media now showing their lies about Ukraine winning the war or Russia running out of amino … it just like the lies on IRAQ war justification likE IRAQ leader had WMD ! Ukrainian as a nation is finished when your younger demographic population fled from war and those ( western Ukrainian who fled Ukraine to EU or eastern Ukrainian to Russia) . They will never comeback !! Ukraine as a country will no longer exist!

PPS. Wonder if folks in the Ukraine think how much better off their country would be today if:

There was no 2014 coup

They still abided by the Minsk Accords and remained neutral

They never let NATO advisors in the country

They never shelled the Donbas
Sad you have to go to something like Remix news to find something to feel good about your bullshit, they seem to be the Orphans of the news world. I guess it's only lies when you don't want the story to be true/goes against your narrative

1: Poland has been already sending so much, it wouldn't be surprising if they were running out of spare gear.
2: The US still has plenty of shit to send
3: The rest of the EU seems to have stuff to send also.
4: The US and the EU have been increasing their production abilities as much as they can.
5: It's just one guy.

As for the Russians, they have been cutting back on their shelling showing that they are running low also. They have been reduced to digging 1950's era tanks out of storage. Last round some troops were getting rusted over AKs, I mean fuck it can't be that hard to keep an assault rifle oiled up and rust free and being made in huge numbers and easier to store I'd guess they would have metric fuck tons of them, but I guess not. Never mind the recent mobilized troops being told to supply themselves. But yeah let's just ignore that, because fuck honesty.

Some more questions, wouldn't Russians be better off if Poutine didn't go off to his dash of glory misadventure in the Ukraine. Oh yeah right, war mongering is only bad when the west does it.
 

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T-14 is supposed to be a great tank. Too bad for the Russian military, they only seem to have a dozen or two available.

In terms of numbers, it's like the Nazis deploying a few King Tigers (of course the King Tiger outclassed anything on the battlefield while the T-14 is simply in the same class as top NATO tanks.
It isn't battle proven though. But on paper it is great. And the top NATO tanks are just as overrated as the T90s.
 

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Last round some troops were getting rusted over AKs, I mean fuck it can't be that hard to keep an assault rifle oiled up and rust free and being made in huge numbers and easier to store I'd guess they would have metric fuck tons of them, but I guess not.
Must have sold it to Africa or Middle East or something decades ago
 

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Must have sold it to Africa or Middle East or something decades ago
AK rusts on the wet grass. It's the way they're made, that's the bad news. The good thing about the AK, even rusty it works just as well.
 

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AK rusts on the wet grass. It's the way they're made, that's the bad news. The good thing about the AK, even rusty it works just as well.
 

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It isn't battle proven though. But on paper it is great. And the top NATO tanks are just as overrated as the T90s.
They have been in battle and performed poorly. I posted this back in Sept,22.
"Only 39 have been manufactured since 2015, two broke down during parades and were relegated to static displays at military showcases.
The original batch of twenty for testing purposes were used for field trials and destructive testing to measure among other things, crew survivability.
Of the other19 delivered 10 were sent to Syria to prove themselves in battle, 5 in one group and 5 in another, reports are that three in one group were taken out by TOW-2B anti-tank systems with one being totally destroyed.
Six others were destroyed by missiles fired from helicopters. Interesting to note though is that there were no reported crew fatalities.
Not sure what happened to the remaining tank but concensus was that it was removed from the combat theatre so it wouldn't be damaged as well.
The remaining 9 were held back for training and parade purposes.
The Afghanit protection system didn't seem to be effective in an urban environment.
Found this article reporting on the tow missile hits.
https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2020/...oyed-the-latest-russian-armata-tank-in-syria/ "
 

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They have been in battle and performed poorly. I posted this back in Sept,22.
"Only 39 have been manufactured since 2015, two broke down during parades and were relegated to static displays at military showcases.
The original batch of twenty for testing purposes were used for field trials and destructive testing to measure among other things, crew survivability.
Of the other19 delivered 10 were sent to Syria to prove themselves in battle, 5 in one group and 5 in another, reports are that three in one group were taken out by TOW-2B anti-tank systems with one being totally destroyed.
Six others were destroyed by missiles fired from helicopters. Interesting to note though is that there were no reported crew fatalities.
Not sure what happened to the remaining tank but concensus was that it was removed from the combat theatre so it wouldn't be damaged as well.
The remaining 9 were held back for training and parade purposes.
The Afghanit protection system didn't seem to be effective in an urban environment.
Found this article reporting on the tow missile hits.
https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2020/...oyed-the-latest-russian-armata-tank-in-syria/ "
Okay did not know they have been in battle. But yes, the Russian tanks are usually much more lightly armored than western ones. And I can imagine why the APS may not work in an urban environment where a guy could popup from behind a building and fire an anti-tank missile, or multiple people could fire at the same time and the system does not have enough time to react. Also tanks in general are vulnerable to top attack missiles like the Javelin or missiles fired from the air. Again not sure if those are the actual limitations, but just spitballing based on my understanding of my reading. Tanks in general are overrated though. Same thing happened with the Israeli Merkava 4s where the Hezbollah guys destroyed a few in 2006, with the Kornet and Konkours anti-tank missiles, again in an urban environment.
 
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I haven't noticed you being much of a military tech hardware expert, Kreal, I must have missed your sudden expertise. 😼
I ain't an expert but its called reading Mandy. I mean other than Twitter. Try it. 😜
 

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British military intelligence previously reported that Russian forces did not want to receive the tanks because of their 'poor condition'.

It also said that any deployment of the T-14 would likely be 'a high-risk decision' for Russia, and one taken primarily for propaganda purposes.

'Production is probably only in the low tens, while commanders are unlikely to trust the vehicle in combat,' the British military said.


Eleven years in development, the programme has been dogged with delays, reduction in planned fleet size, and reports of manufacturing problems.'

It added that the T-14 could also pose a logistical headache for Russia as it is larger and heavier than other Russian tanks.

The Kremlin ordered production of 2,300 of the tanks - first unveiled in 2015 - by 2020, but this was later stretched to by 2025, according to Russian media reports.

The Interfax news agency reported in December, 2021, that the state conglomerate Rostec had started production of some 40 tanks, with an anticipated delivery after 2023.

The T-14 war machine was among the new vehicles unveiled by Putin at Russia's Victory Day parade in Moscow in 2015
 

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Okay did not know they have been in battle. But yes, the Russian tanks are usually much more lightly armored than western ones. And I can imagine why the APS may not work in an urban environment where a guy could popup from behind a building and fire an anti-tank missile, or multiple people could fire at the same time and the system does not have enough time to react. Also tanks in general are vulnerable to top attack missiles like the Javelin or missiles fired from the air. Again not sure if those are the actual limitations, but just spitballing based on my understanding of my reading. Tanks in general are overrated though. Same thing happened with the Israeli Merkava 4s where the Hezbollah guys destroyed a few in 2006, with the Kornet and Konkours anti-tank missiles, again in an urban environment.
This is a concise summary of the Armatas armor with some comparison to the M1 written by an armor specialist.

"The Armata is designed to maximize crew survival. To that end, the entire crew is housed in the hull. The unmanned turret is armored only against autocannon fire. The weight saved from the turret is used to add more armor to the hull.

The hull is supposedly armored to an equivalent of 900mm of RHA. T-14 Armata - Wikipedia

In addition, there is reactive armor as well as active protection systems.

While it is true that a MBT hit on the turret will destroy it and render the tank useless, it’s actually a relatively small target. Most of the turret is a shell housing electronics and sensors. The true turret and armor is underneath and is much smaller.


T-14 Armata Turret including outer shell.


T-14 Armata Turret without shell.

From the front, the size is not much bigger than the gun mantlet of western tanks:


M1A1 turret.

And it turns out, the mantlet on western tanks is not that well armored.


It won’t stop a modern APFSDS round either."
 
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