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Don't you know what the Spetsnaz are?.... They are roughly the equivalent of USN SEALS or Army Rangers, etc.
The claim is that they've been used as assault infantry in Ukraine because the Russian infantry was attrited so badly that it lost quality and could not longer perform core tasks adequately. So the Russians subbed in their SOFs and - who would've guess it - now the Russian SOFs are attrited so badly that they have lost quality and cannot perform core tasks adequately
Now there is a rumour that Belarus will send troops to the war.
Belarusians wary of being drawn into Russia’s war in Ukraine | PBS NewsHour
Belarusians wary of being drawn into Russia’s war in Ukraine | PBS NewsHour
POLITICO: Biden Preparing for Failed Ukrainian Counteroffensive - News From Antiwar.com
The Biden administration is preparing for the possibility of Ukraine's long-awaited counteroffensive failing, POLITICO reported on Monday. Pentagon documents allegedly leaked by Airman Jack Teixeira revealed that the US doesn't believe Ukraine can regain any significant territory in its...
WEDNESDAY, APR 26, 2023 - 06:30 AM
Authored by Dave DeCamp via AntiWar.com,
The Biden administration is preparing for the possibility of Ukraine’s long-awaited counteroffensive failing, Politico reported on Monday.
Pentagon documents allegedly leaked by Airman Jack Teixeira revealed that the US doesn’t believe Ukraine can regain any significant territory in its counteroffensive, which is expected to be launched in the spring. The information in the leaks was based on an assessment made in February.
Image AFP
According to Politico, more current assessments also don’t expect much Ukrainian success. Two Biden administration officials said they don’t think Kyiv has the ability to sever Russia’s land-bridge to Crimea in the Kherson and Zaporizhzhia oblasts.
The report said US intelligence "indicates that Ukraine simply does not have the ability to push Russian troops from where they were deeply entrenched." Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said in March that his forces need more Western weapons before they can launch a counteroffensive.
The administration is expected to face criticism from hawks who believe Biden hasn’t given Ukraine enough weapons, as well as those who have been calling for the US to push for diplomacy. The US is also worried that many of its European allies will favor negotiations between the warring sides if Ukraine’s offensive fails.
Since Russia invaded Ukraine on February 24, 2022, the administration has discouraged peace talks and recently came out against the idea of a ceasefire in Ukraine. The administration has left it up to Zelensky when to pursue peace talks, and he still maintains they can’t happen until Russia is driven out of all the territory it controls, including Crimea.
But now, according to Politico, there is a discussion among administration officials about convincing Ukraine to accept more modest goals and agree to a temporary ceasefire. Possible incentives for Kyiv include giving Ukraine NATO-like security guarantees and more military aid.
The issue with the US plan is that Russia has signaled it won’t settle for a frozen conflict and has stated it can only achieve its war goals by military means. Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov recently reiterated that one of Moscow’s main priorities is keeping Kyiv out of NATO after NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said Ukraine’s “rightful place” is in the alliance.
In the early days of the Russian invasion, Russian and Ukrainian officials were engaged in peace talks, and Moscow’s primary demand was for Ukrainian neutrality. But now Kyiv stands to lose much more as Russia maintains any settlement must include recognizing the areas it annexed in the Donbas and the Kherson and Zaporizhzhia oblasts as Russian territory.
Realistically, it would be really hard for Putin to give up the Russian speaking eastern part of Ukraine. It might also be a blessing in disguise to be rid of those troublesome Russian speaking areas.
Just you and TERB's latest "Special Operator" Combat dog . But he can't comment on this clip (or traing Border Patrol Guards, killing Bin Laden, 3500m sniper kills etc as it would violate his NDA.
Oh honey, no. I used to believe so till very recently and that is their function but there are nowhere at that level.
I remember during the cold war, it was all Spetznaz brah but I recently thought of it, they were also 2 year conscripts like everyone else [well 3 years before the draft was reduced. With the Seals and Rangers back in the day at least unless your last name was Norris or Wick, you entered the SF only after a bit of time in the normal military getting your shit together then lengthy training.
You don't produce SEALS/Rangers in 2 years, by the time they would get up to speed they would be in their last 6 months and become IIRC "grandfathers" and are impossible to do anything with.
Also I suspect their training was just as lax as with the rest of the military but I have no evidence of this, but no reason not to believe this.
Sure it's probably a bit better today with the use of contract soliders and I would assume most/all of them are contract soliders these days but how long do the typical contract solider say around, considering the lack of NCOs in even the modern Russian army, and the conditions, I am guessing not so much.
Every link in that article much like the article itself is from a site called "antiwar" It's the same sort of circle jerk natural news does.Biden Preparing For Ukrainian Offensive To FailPOLITICO: Biden Preparing for Failed Ukrainian Counteroffensive - News From Antiwar.com
The Biden administration is preparing for the possibility of Ukraine's long-awaited counteroffensive failing, POLITICO reported on Monday. Pentagon documents allegedly leaked by Airman Jack Teixeira revealed that the US doesn't believe Ukraine can regain any significant territory in its...news.antiwar.com
WEDNESDAY, APR 26, 2023 - 06:30 AM
Authored by Dave DeCamp via AntiWar.com,
The Biden administration is preparing for the possibility of Ukraine’s long-awaited counteroffensive failing, Politico reported on Monday.
Pentagon documents allegedly leaked by Airman Jack Teixeira revealed that the US doesn’t believe Ukraine can regain any significant territory in its counteroffensive, which is expected to be launched in the spring. The information in the leaks was based on an assessment made in February.
Image AFP
According to Politico, more current assessments also don’t expect much Ukrainian success. Two Biden administration officials said they don’t think Kyiv has the ability to sever Russia’s land-bridge to Crimea in the Kherson and Zaporizhzhia oblasts.
The report said US intelligence "indicates that Ukraine simply does not have the ability to push Russian troops from where they were deeply entrenched." Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said in March that his forces need more Western weapons before they can launch a counteroffensive.
The administration is expected to face criticism from hawks who believe Biden hasn’t given Ukraine enough weapons, as well as those who have been calling for the US to push for diplomacy. The US is also worried that many of its European allies will favor negotiations between the warring sides if Ukraine’s offensive fails.
Since Russia invaded Ukraine on February 24, 2022, the administration has discouraged peace talks and recently came out against the idea of a ceasefire in Ukraine. The administration has left it up to Zelensky when to pursue peace talks, and he still maintains they can’t happen until Russia is driven out of all the territory it controls, including Crimea.
But now, according to Politico, there is a discussion among administration officials about convincing Ukraine to accept more modest goals and agree to a temporary ceasefire. Possible incentives for Kyiv include giving Ukraine NATO-like security guarantees and more military aid.
The issue with the US plan is that Russia has signaled it won’t settle for a frozen conflict and has stated it can only achieve its war goals by military means. Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov recently reiterated that one of Moscow’s main priorities is keeping Kyiv out of NATO after NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said Ukraine’s “rightful place” is in the alliance.
In the early days of the Russian invasion, Russian and Ukrainian officials were engaged in peace talks, and Moscow’s primary demand was for Ukrainian neutrality. But now Kyiv stands to lose much more as Russia maintains any settlement must include recognizing the areas it annexed in the Donbas and the Kherson and Zaporizhzhia oblasts as Russian territory.
Also no link for the actual central claim of the article. What do these documents actually say.
Even if true [and if true why not have links to actual news sources] Ukraine was supposed to collapse quickly a year ago. For that matter both the Germans and the Allies and even Stalin himself thought Russia was going to be dropped like it was hot in 1941. Experts get it wrong all the time.
I just looked at the article.
Big title in bold
Biden Preparing For Ukrainian Offensive To Fail
vs the body of the article
The Biden administration is preparing for the possibility of Ukraine’s long-awaited counteroffensive failing,
There is a difference between those two statements. Possibility is the key word. I mean fuck, in the interwar period both the US and Canada had plans in case war a war started between them. Anything is possible except me being loved.
The major difference between the American and old Soviet army was the fact that Americans were all volunteers- motivated, professional, exquisitely trained and equipped. I had the chance to see the Russian military up close and it was full of drunks(officers and men) and full of people who wanted to be somewhere else. Their competency was questionable, equipment alway broken, their NCOs almost useless and the officers treated their men like cattle.
So the T-14 are finally being brought in. Not to do tanky McTankface stuff but as fire support from the back.
Keep in mind, they took out T-62s and T-54/55s out of storage first. The T-14 is apparently so bad and such an embarrassment that they waited till after the archaic gear was taken out of storage before they resorted to risking them in the front line for a face plant.
Bravo <sarcastic clapping>
And before anyone goes but brah they are using up their old gear first, I believe Puren [spelling?] did a study of tank losses showing their early loses were more weighted towards their newer tanks showing that they were not holding back their newest shit but actually sending the best they had [and the T-14 aint' it]
Clown shoes.
Keep in mind, they took out T-62s and T-54/55s out of storage first. The T-14 is apparently so bad and such an embarrassment that they waited till after the archaic gear was taken out of storage before they resorted to risking them in the front line for a face plant.
Bravo <sarcastic clapping>
And before anyone goes but brah they are using up their old gear first, I believe Puren [spelling?] did a study of tank losses showing their early loses were more weighted towards their newer tanks showing that they were not holding back their newest shit but actually sending the best they had [and the T-14 aint' it]
Clown shoes.
Good thread on Russian strategy.
Meat was of great value in the ranks, but they treated their men like farm animals.
It's always the same. The Czarist army in the Crimean War or 1914. The Putin army in Ukraine.
LOL!!! You got to know Russians. It's a cultural thing that no amount of Marxist Leninism could overcome. I asked a Soviet Major at a seaside resort about their lack of consideration for soldiers' lives. His answer? Ludey u nas mnogo- we have a lot of people. The wonders of classless society. ROTFLMFAO!
People from oppressed societies tend to be like that.
Its the same reason why the middle east is cruel too. Or many African nations.
Hurt people, hurt people.
Maybe that story/rumour about how Russians clear land mines in WW II is true. Apparently, they used POW's but when POW's aren't readily available ...........................
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