Hey the poodle guy is back to confuse everybody. Why do we need spam when we have you, poodle guy?Something seems off in this thread. This may be just a wild stab on the dark, but could it be that this thread hasn't been .....
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........ repetitively, cluster-spammed with the world's most trustworthy and balanced Russian propaganda media mouthpiece, HT, lately?
He's here incognito , shhhhhhh,Something seems off in this thread. This may be just a wild stab on the dark, but could it be that this thread hasn't been .....
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........ repetitively, cluster-spammed with the world's most trustworthy and balanced Russian propaganda media mouthpiece, HT, lately?
That's exactly right.Ukraine can be said to be winning this war if and when they recover any meaningful amount of the Ukrainian territory now controlled by Russia. Not before. I have seen no information to indicate that is happening, or is about to happen.
The one with the buggy eyes
Like they did last year in Kherson and Kharkiv?Ukraine can be said to be winning this war if and when they recover any meaningful amount of the Ukrainian territory now controlled by Russia. Not before. I have seen no information to indicate that is happening, or is about to happen.
I think Ukraine loses doing that.IMO, Ukraine wins simply by denying Putin victory.
I'd go further.Ukraine can be said to be winning this war if and when they recover any meaningful amount of the Ukrainian territory now controlled by Russia. Not before. I have seen no information to indicate that is happening, or is about to happen.
Only if we lived in the 15th century. Today it is more about achieving your political objectives than land. The best way to consider Russia defeated is for Ukraine to be admitted to NATO even if they lose land.I'd go further.
Traditionally, losing or gaining land is the major metric where you decide if someone "won".
So if Russia ends up with ANYTHING outside of the 2014 border it gets to claim it won.
If you want to use "achieved their political objectives" then they lost almost immediately.Only if we lived in the 15th century. Today it is more about achieving your political objectives than land. The best way to consider Russia defeated is for Ukraine to be admitted to NATO even if they lose land.
No they have not. It is why I said that for them to lose politically Ukraine has to be admitted to NATO, or Russia will have to be militarily defeated, which does not look likely.If you want to use "achieved their political objectives" then they lost almost immediately
Ukraine was already not in NATO and no one thought they would be likely admitted to NATO in the near future.No they have not. It is why I said that for them to lose politically Ukraine has to be admitted to NATO, or Russia will have to be militarily defeated, which does not look likely.
What you are talking about is political legitimacy and that does not matter, because that negative opinion about Russia is only held amongst one half of the population in North America and Europe.
Interesting, very interesting.You sure do like to write a lot Valcazar
You know I dont read more than 2 lines