Teacher fired for deadnaming trans students; appeal court backs board

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I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with.
Disagreeing with "everyone's rights were violated".

I don't think that's the best way to describe what happened.

Seems like this situation could've been avoided.
That does look true, because I think there was a way to reach accommodation that would have worked for people but at some point things got too dug in.
 

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The diversity committee probably recommended (i.e. required) that he be fired. Not unlike companies under the gun to make sure everyone follows newthink.

You guys have already lost, haven't you?

When you lose in Indiana - a solid red state - you're totally fucked and it's just a matter of time.
 

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TDSB school marks International Day of Pink with Stonewall Riots survivor while dozens of protesters rallied outside
Despite some backlash from outside the school community, students seemed to really enjoy themselves, a TDSB spokesperson said.
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By Alessia PassafiumeStaff Reporter
Wed., April 12, 2023timer3 min. read


York Mills Collegiate Institute and the Toronto District School Board marked International Day of Pink on Wednesday with an in-person and virtual celebration attended by a Stonewall Riots survivor and a champion drag queen. Outside, protestors and counter protesters clashed over the message the event was, or wasn’t, promoting.

“This is a small group (of protesters),” said gay rights activist and Stonewall Riots survivor Martin Boyce in an interview after his keynote address to students. “In my time, it was the whole world. We know where we stand on the idea of righteousness, individuality and togetherness.”

Students wearing pink shirts photographed in B.C. for Pink Shirt Day.


Boyce, now in his 70s, is one of the last known survivors of the Stonewall Riots of 1969, which are considered to be the watershed protests that opened the doors for the gay liberation movement and the fight for gay rights in the U.S. and in Canada, and the precursor to Toronto’s Bathhouse Raids of 1981.



Boyce’s talk focused on LGBTQ liberation in the face of increased hate toward that community, and how it’s important to know the history of such to ensure it doesn’t repeat itself.

“It’s about courage, and individual courage,” he said to students. “They are fighting us, but we’re ready. We’re on the right side of history.”


He, along with a group of other advocates, speakers and performers, were brought to the North York school to mark the International Day of Pink — a day similar to Pink Shirt Day that seeks to end anti-LGBTQ+ bullying, and to commemorate the Stonewall Riots and the birth of World Pride.


York Mills Collegiate Institute was decked out in pink for the occasion, from balloons to streamers to tinsel. Open for students from Grades 7 to 12 to participate in, parents were informed in advance of what the assembly would include, TDSB said, and could decide whether their children should attend.

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And despite some backlash from outside the school community, students seemed to really enjoy themselves, said TDSB spokesperson Shari Schwartz-Maltz. “It was so powerful — we really have to advocate for inclusion, which is what this is about.”

Deputy mayor Jennifer McKelvie was in attendance, along with Colleen Russell-Rawlins, the director of education for the TDSB; Isaiah Shafqat, an Indigenous student trustee; Srgt. Robert Chevalier, the 2SLGBTQ+ liaison for Toronto Police; and Omid Razavi, the executive director of It Gets Better Canada. Each spoke of love and acceptance for all students, but especially those who are members of the LGBTQ community.

Icesis Couture, the 2021 winner of Canada's Drag Race, performs at York Mills Collegiate Institute for International Pink Day.


Icesis Couture, the 2021 winner of “Canada’s Drag Race,” also gave a performance, but it wasn’t one that would be seen at a typical drag show for adults. Fitted in a chartreuse dress with a large bow and a black beret, Icesis’s performance to Meghan Trainor’s “Mother” was a hit with students and faculty, and was arguably the one performance students were most enthusiastic about while watching.

Protesters and counterprotesters rallied outside the school

Save Canada, a youth-run Christian organization based in Nova Scotia, protested to “end grooming” outside of the school during the event. The organization’s website says it was inspired by former president Donald Trump and his message to “Save America.”

Josh Alexander, 17, of Save Canada, said Tuesday the organization is “disappointed” the board is hosting Boyce and Icesis Couture, adding it’s not fit for an educational setting and that the “grooming is incredibly inappropriate.” Speaking with media outside the school after the assembly, he echoed the same message.

In recent years, the term “grooming” has been used against members of the LGBTQ community, with some saying — without proof — members of that community, especially drag queens, contribute to the “sexualization” or “grooming” of children.

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Outside of York Mills Collegiate Institute a protest against the event went on while a counterprotest occurred simultaneously.


Police cruisers and officers surrounded the school and the demonstration, which remained mostly peaceful, save for a few incidents where people were pushing.

The TDSB said Tuesday it was aware of the planned protest and said they would have extra security on hand and had notified the local police division “just in case.”

Some students appeared to have joined the protest after the assembly, while others — wearing pink shirts — hung around the area during their lunch break. A counterprotest against Save Canada's message also occurred simultaneously. At one point someone grabbed a Trans flag from a demonstrator and ran away with it.


When the lunch bell rang at 1:05 p.m., the crowd dispersed and most students returned to class, while Save Canada protesters handed out their last copy of the Bible.
 

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Sorry, I don't read the Toronto Star, it's way too liberal, and left wing, for me. To quote @Frankfooter 's favorite phrase, "the Toronto Star is lying to you."
That's a shame, Mitchy. Because True North just covered a couple of their favourite Catholic whining little adolescent fuckturds and pretended that the protest was massive. In fact, the protest was minute and the actual event was lavish with performing drag queens, 100 year old gay guys talking about Stonewall, pink tinsel, lots of public officials applauding how amazing it is to be gay and every Diversity and Inclusion exec in fucking central Ontario accepting congratulations. I am surprised that Duggo himself didn't turn up in a blonde wig and heels and dance around to a Liza Minelli record.

You guys have lost so incredibly bigly everywhere outside the South that it's already just a case of few bitter old dudes whining about how they're going to "bankrupt bud light for being a groomer", while the rest of the world cheers on every bumpy-legged, bumpy adams-apple trans woman on the face of the continent for being "brave and resilient".

Why don't you guys just move on to sobbing about the Leafs or something like that. You lost.
 

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TDSB school marks International Day of Pink with Stonewall Riots survivor while dozens of protesters rallied outside
Despite some backlash from outside the school community, students seemed to really enjoy themselves, a TDSB spokesperson said.
Don't conflate radical trans activism with Gay Rights.
 
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And if he taught at York Mills Collegiate refusing to follow the directive of segregating school kids with acceptable views and unacceptable views, would that be not doing his job?

"Just following orders" is only ok for the military where doing the unthinkable is often the right thing to do.
Could you please summarize what these spoiled rich kids have to do with a guy getting fired for refusing to follow his employers policies (without trying to claim that respecting kids is the same as the Holocaust)?
 
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... His religious beliefs were brought up before he had any trans students in his classroom.
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Maybe I'm wrong but I can't remember what part of the bible says you aren't allowed to refer to students by the name they and their parents want.

And yes, another ridiculous hypocrisy. Parents should have the right to force schools to remove books that mention gay people but they don't have the right to determine what name the school should refer to their kid by.

I knew a girl who's parents gave her a male name because the dad wanted a boy. Wonder how this teacher's "religious" view would handle that.
 

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Don't conflate radical trans activism with Gay Rights.
Explain the difference to me, Dirty?

The dancing drag queen at the event was a great addition, I thought. Isn't that what you trans-haters call "grooming"?

The fact that TPS sent a rep to cheer makes the cops a "grooming accomplice" then?
 

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Could you please summarize what these spoiled rich kids have to do with a guy getting fired for refusing to follow his employers policies (without trying to claim that respecting kids is the same as the Holocaust)?
OK, Before I answer you here's what I get from your question and why I get why you don't get it.

1 - your stereotyping, tribalism, going straight to identity politics indicates you are likely woke, your qualifier "spoiled rich kids " is a exactly what this post was pointing out as problematic.

2 - the allusion of following orders is not so much about the racist killings of the holocaust, as about "The banality of evil" or the outcome from the Nuremberg, Eichmann trials.

Answer

Directing (forcing) everyone to use preferred pronouns/ideas, because it makes someone feel validated regardless of how it makes the other person feel is common to both situations.

Both situations have strong and serious backlash.

Both seem to attack dissent as unacceptable.

Both try to coerce conformity to a new, extreme socialization.

Thats all I got for you now. Do I pass?
 

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Explain the difference to me, Dirty?

The dancing drag queen at the event was a great addition, I thought. Isn't that what you trans-haters call "grooming"?

The fact that TPS sent a rep to cheer makes the cops a "grooming accomplice" then?
We live in a culture where those that hold power are promoting the narrative that men can get pregnant. And the peons are eating it up like good trained little pets. Nobody outside of the West is buying this nonsense but it's becoming entrenched here. Truth tellers have become enemy #1.

What does that tell you? Our culture is decaying from within. Yes, the cops are grooming accomplices. Officers just want to put food on their family's table so they follow upper management's directives. They don't have the time, money, nor power to stop any of this. Morale in law enforcement has never been lower in the modern era, and there are no signs it will improve in our lifetimes.

When important decisions based on reason are replaced with arbitrary feelings, you get chaos. The convergence of male/female "gender identities" has been seen many times throughout history as a precursor to a society at its end.

I never thought I'd live to see such a rapid decline into insanity.
 
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We live in a culture where those that hold power are promoting the narrative that men can get pregnant. And the peons are eating it up like good trained little pets. Nobody outside of the West is buying this nonsense but it's becoming entrenched here. Truth tellers have become enemy #1.

What does that tell you? Our culture is decaying from within. Yes, the cops are grooming accomplices. Officers just want to put food on their family's table so they follow upper management's directives. They don't have the time, money, nor power to stop any of this. Morale in law enforcement has never been lower in the modern era, and there are no signs it will improve in our lifetimes.

When important decisions based on reason are replaced with arbitrary feelings, you get chaos. The convergence of male/female "gender identities" has been seen many times throughout history as a precursor to a society at its end.

I never thought I'd live to see such a rapid decline into insanity.
Well, it's a democracy. So "those who hold power" can be voted out or held accountable. But the vast majority of the educational, social services and medical experts outside the Red States support trans care and trans inclusion. That suggests that they're right and those who oppose trans inclusion are wrong.

You can get snitty and use extreme examples and extreme language, but this is the way society has - consensually - developed. Back in the early 70's, my dad would rail against "sissy long hair men" and the degeneration of society. It all blew over and society broadened what it considered acceptable in gender norms and appearances. I suspect the same will happen all over again in 2 or 3 years.

Trans people are less than 1% of the population and their choices do not impact you directly - aside from annoying you. This is a micro minority issue that is being exploited by the right for political purposes because it produces a visceral reaction. When that reaction ceases, the right wing donors and pols will move on to the next issue. 7 years ago, the trigger issue was "Muslim terrorists". Now it's "trans child groomers". It's all a political game.
 
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When the Supreme Court declared a constitutional right to same-sex marriage nearly eight years ago, social conservatives were set adrift.

The ruling stripped them of an issue they had used to galvanize rank-and-file supporters and big donors. And it left them searching for a cause that — like opposing gay marriage — would rally the base and raise the movement’s profile on the national stage.

“We knew we needed to find an issue that the candidates were comfortable talking about,” said Terry Schilling, the president of American Principles Project, a social conservative advocacy group. “And we threw everything at the wall.”

What has stuck, somewhat unexpectedly, is the issue of transgender identity, particularly among young people. Today, the effort to restrict transgender rights has supplanted same-sex marriage as an animating issue for social conservatives at a pace that has stunned political leaders across the spectrum. It has reinvigorated a network of conservative groups, increased fund-raising and set the agenda in school boards and state legislatures.
The campaign has been both organic and deliberate, and has even gained speed since Donald J. Trump, an ideological ally, left the White House. Since then, at least 20 states, all controlled by Republicans, have enacted laws that reach well beyond the initial debates over access to bathrooms and into medical treatments, participation in sports and policies on discussing gender in schools.
About 1.3 million adults and 300,000 children in the United States identify as transgender. These efforts have thrust them, at a moment of increased visibility and vulnerability, into the center of the nation’s latest battle over cultural issues.

“It’s a strange world to live in,” said Ari Drennen, the L.G.B.T.Q. program director for Media Matters, a liberal media monitoring group that tracks the legislation. As a transgender woman, she said, she feels unwelcome in whole swaths of the country where states have attacked her right “just to exist in public.”
The effort started with a smattering of Republican lawmakers advancing legislation focused on transgender girls’ participation in school sports. And it was accelerated by a few influential Republican governors who seized on the issue early.

But it was also the result of careful planning by national conservative organizations to harness the emotion around gender politics. With gender norms shifting and a sharp rise in the number of young people identifying as transgender, conservative groups spotted an opening in a debate that was gaining attention.
“It’s a sense of urgency,” said Matt Sharp, the senior counsel with the Alliance Defending Freedom, an organization that has provided strategic and legal counsel to state lawmakers as they push through legislation on transgender rights. The issue, he argued, is “what can we do to protect the children?”

Mr. Schilling said the issue had driven in thousands of new donors to the American Principles Project, most of them making small contributions.
The appeal played on the same resentments and cultural schisms that have animated Mr. Trump’s political movement: invocations against so-called “wokeness,” skepticism about science, parental discontent with public schools after the Covid-19 pandemic shutdowns and anti-elitism.

Nadine Smith, the executive director of Equality Florida, a group that fights discrimination against L.G.B.T.Q. people, said there was a direct line from the right’s focus on transgender children to other issues it has seized on in the name of “parents’ rights” — such as banning books and curriculums that teach about racism.

“In many ways, the trans sports ban was the test balloon in terms of how they can frame these things,” she said. “Once they opened that parents’ rights frame, they began to use it everywhere.”

For now, the legislation has advanced almost exclusively in Republican-controlled states: Those same policies have drawn strong opposition from Democrats who have applauded the increased visibility of transgender people — in government, corporations and Hollywood — and policies protecting transgender youths.

The 2024 presidential election appears poised to provide a national test of the reach of this issue. The two leading Republican presidential contenders, Mr. Trump and Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida, who has not officially declared a bid, have aggressively supported measures curtailing transgender rights.
It may prove easier for Republicans like Mr. Trump and Mr. DeSantis to talk about transgender issues than about abortion, an issue that has been a mainstay of the conservative movement. The Supreme Court decision overturning the constitutional right to abortion created a backlash among Democrats and independents that has left many Republicans unsure of how — or whether — to address the issue.

Polling suggests that the public is less likely to support transgender rights than same-sex marriage and abortion rights. In a poll conducted in 2022, the Public Policy Research Institute, a nonpartisan research group, found that 68 percent of respondents favored allowing same-sex couples to marry, including 49 percent of Republicans.

By contrast, a poll by the Pew Research Center found that 58 percent of Americans supported requiring that transgender athletes compete on teams that match the sex they were assigned at birth; 85 percent of Republicans held that view.

“For many religious and political conservatives, the same-sex marriage issue has been largely decided — and for the American public, absolutely,” said Kelsy Burke, an associate professor of sociology at the University of Nebraska—Lincoln. “That’s not true when it comes to these transgender issues. Americans are much more divided, and this is an issue that can gain a lot more traction.”
The focus on perceived threats to impressionable children has a long history in American sexual politics. It has its roots in the “Save Our Children” campaign championed in 1977 by Anita Bryant, the singer known for her orange juice commercials, to repeal a local ordinance in Dade-Miami County that prohibited discrimination based on sexual orientation, a historic setback for the modern gay rights movements.

The initial efforts by the conservative movement to deploy transgender issues did not go well. In 2016, North Carolina legislators voted to bar transgender people from using the bathroom of their preference. It created a backlash so harsh — from corporations, sports teams and even Bruce Springsteen — that lawmakers eventually rescinded the bill.

As a result, conservatives went looking for a new approach to the issue. Mr. Schilling’s organization, for instance, conducted polling to determine whether curbing transgender rights had resonance with voters — and, if they did, the best way for candidates to talk about it. In 2019, the group’s research found that voters were significantly more likely to support a Republican candidate who favored a ban on transgender girls participating in school sports — particularly when framed as a question of whether “to allow men and boys to compete against women and girls” — than a candidate pushing for a ban on transgender people using a bathroom of their choosing.

With that evidence in hand, and transgender athletes gaining attention, particularly in right-wing media, conservatives decided to focus on two main fronts: legislation that addressed participation in sports and laws curtailing the access of minors to medical transition treatments.

In March 2020, Idaho became the first state to bar transgender girls from participating in girls’ and women’s sports, with a bill supporters in the Republican-controlled legislature called the “Fairness in Women’s Sports Act.”

A burst of state legislation began the next year after Democrats took control of Congress and the White House, ending four years in which social conservatives successfully pushed the Trump administration to enact restrictions through executive orders.

In the spring of 2021, the Republican-controlled legislature in Arkansas overrode a veto by Gov. Asa Hutchinson, a Republican, to enact legislation that made it illegal for minors to receive transition medication or surgery.

It was the first such ban in the country — and it was quickly embraced by national groups and circulated to lawmakers in other statehouses as a road map for their own legislation. The effort capitalized on an existing disagreement in the medical profession over when to offer medical transition care to minors. Despite that debate, leading medical groups in the United States, including the American Academy of Pediatrics, say the care should be available to minors and oppose legislative bans.

Later that spring, Mr. DeSantis, the Florida governor, traveled to a private Christian school in Jacksonville to sign a bill barring transgender girls from playing K-12 sports. With his approval, Florida became the largest state to date to enact such restrictions, and Mr. DeSantis signaled how important this issue was to his political aspirations.

“In Florida, girls are going to play girls’ sports and boys are going to play boys’ sports,” he said, winning applause from conservatives he would need to defeat Mr. Trump.

To some extent, this surge of legislation was spontaneous. Ms. Drennen, of Media Matters, said state lawmakers appeared to be acting out of a “general animus” toward transgender people, as well as a fear of political reprisals. “They are worried about this coming up in a primary,” she said.

But for several years, conservative Christian legal groups like the Alliance Defending Freedom and the Liberty Counsel have been shifting their resources.
In 2018, Kristen Waggoner, then the general counsel of the Alliance Defending Freedom, was the lead counsel in the Supreme Court defending a Colorado baker who, citing religious beliefs, refused to make a wedding cake for a same-sex couple. The court ruled narrowly in favor of the baker.

The next year, the Alliance took on a case involving a group of high school girls in Connecticut who challenged the state and five school boards for permitting transgender students to participate in women’s sports. Their lawsuit was rejected by a federal appeals court.

Mathew D. Staver, the founder and chairman of the Liberty Counsel, which was a major force behind a 2008 voter initiative in California that banned same-sex marriage, said the group is now fighting gender policies in the courts. It has challenged laws, often enacted in states controlled by Democrats, that restrict counseling services designed to change a person’s gender identity or sexual orientation, often referred to as conversion therapy.

“Those counseling bans violate first-amendment speech, because they only allow one point of view on the subject of sexuality,” he said.
Though some on the left are still uncertain about how to best navigate the fraught politics of transgender issues, there’s an emerging consensus on the right. The case of what happened to Gov. Kristi Noem of South Dakota, a rising star in the Republican Party, is instructive.

In March 2021, Ms. Noem declined to sign a bill passed by her state’s Republican-controlled legislature that would have banned transgender girls from sports teams from kindergarten through college. Conservative groups accused her of bowing to “socially left-wing factions.” Tucker Carlson of Fox News, in a tense interview with Ms. Noem, implied she was bowing to “big business” in refusing to sign the bill.

“There’s a real political effort now that will extract a punishment from you if you betray the social conservatives,” said Frank Cannon, a founder of the American Principles Project. He said the episode with Ms. Noem “sent a signal to every other governor in the country.”

Eleven months later, the governor appeared to have received the message, signing a similar version of the bill in the interest, she said that day, of “fairness.”

 
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At another point in time this story could've read: "Indiana school board forced a Christian teacher to call boys by girl names or something along such lines".

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This is still the official motto of the United States of America.
Which is a fucking tragedy, I agree.
E Pluribus Unum was the motto on the seal and should have been the one declared into law as the national motto.
But the 50s were full of people freaking out about "Godless communists".

They should really change it back.
 

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IMHO, the whole thing is ridiculous. Why should a 34 yr old music teacher be fired, and lose his living, just because he won't call three trans kids, by their proper pronouns. It's not like he assaulted these kids or was verbally abusive to these trans kids. Also, these three trans kids could one day want to called he/her, and the next day want to be addressed as two-spirit. Who can keep up, with this madness, and insanity??
It's because radial righties are twats and just like they wouldn't get the jab because they thought it was a lefty mandate they do the same now with Trans. Really, who gives a rat's ass what someone wants to be called. Does it make you less of a man? Why do you care to the point of losing your secure comfy job? Idiots, that's why.
 
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