Teacher fired for deadnaming trans students; appeal court backs board

[Valcazar]

Mainstream sources try to sway our opinions one way or another, depending on affiliations and beliefs.

Here's a more detailed and factually accurate article about this:

https://www.theindianalawyer.com/articles/7th-circuit-sides-with-school-district-that-fired-teacher-who-refused-to-follow-transgender-name-policy

In my opinion, everyone's rights were violated. It's just in current environment trans agenda trumps religion.

Gonna disagree with your interpretation, but thanks for posting this link.
Reads like a pretty neutral summary of what the legal arguments and decisions were.

I do think there was a breakdown in the "we can find some accommodation" communication there, from that report.
Looks like at that point, egos were involved to the point where people couldn't step back. (Of course, it isn't clear from this what the actual in-classroom experience was, so there might be more we are missing.)

 

[Mr.Gr33k]

Gonna disagree with your interpretation, but thanks for posting this link.
Reads like a pretty neutral summary of what the legal arguments and decisions were.

I do think there was a breakdown in the "we can find some accommodation" communication there, from that report.
Looks like at that point, egos were involved to the point where people couldn't step back. (Of course, it isn't clear from this what the actual in-classroom experience was, so there might be more we are missing.)

I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with.

The teacher in question was told there might be trans students in his class in the future. He then made his position known and it was very clear he wasn't comfortable with proposed arrangement. His religious beliefs were brought up before he had any trans students in his classroom.

It was the decision of the school to place 2 trans students in his class anyways, because he was the only music teacher in that school.

I fully understand that ALL students have the right to study in a comfortable environment and No One should be singled out.

Seems like this situation could've been avoided.

 

[Mencken]

So we have to call kids Andrew instead of Andy, Johnathon instead of John, Daniel instead of Danny.

Or what about Tommy-John from down south that goes by TJ. Or Omar Jr who goes by Junior.

Do you know how many teachers call how many kids by different names?

That's a silly argument. If Tommy John wants to be called TJ there is absolutely no problem. But he may not want to be called some other random name. So if John wants to be called Jane and has a reason for wanting that, why the hell doesn't the teacher just call them Jane. Ahh...because of his religion. Such BS

 

[mandrill]

I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with.

The teacher in question was told there might be trans students in his class in the future. He then made his position known and it was very clear he wasn't comfortable with proposed arrangement. His religious beliefs were brought up before he had any trans students in his classroom.

It was the decision of the school to place 2 trans students in his class anyways, because he was the only music teacher in that school.

I fully understand that ALL students have the right to study in a comfortable environment and No One should be singled out.

Seems like this situation could've been avoided.

I don't know how it could have been worked out. He was the only music teacher in the school. It appears that the IN courts are going to protect trans students before they protect the religious beliefs of an individual teacher. The other Catholic teachers caved and accepted the school board's terms. Kluge didn't - until it was too late.

 

[mandrill]

And if he taught at York Mills Collegiate refusing to follow the directive of segregating school kids with acceptable views and unacceptable views, would that be not doing his job?

"Just following orders" is only ok for the military where doing the unthinkable is often the right thing to do.

You need to post a link explaining about YM C.I. AFAI can see, the TDSB had an "International Pink Day" to encourage anti bullying. There was a presentation in the school auditorium before classes and students who had religious objections were permissively allowed to be absent.

This was then publicized to far right media sources like Rebel News and became a flashpoint for protestors and counter protestors. And the students who refused to attend the anti bulling event narrated that they had been "segregated" from the other kids and "oppressed".

Do you have any hard facts that convincingly tell a different set of facts?

 

[Resetset]

I admire this teacher for sticking to his guns. Years ago lunatic children would have been committed to asylums which was proper as well as any enabling adults.

 

[mitchell76]

You need to post a link explaining about YM C.I. AFAI can see, the TDSB had an "International Pink Day" to encourage anti bullying. There was a presentation in the school auditorium before classes and students who had religious objections were permissively allowed to be absent.

This was then publicized to far right media sources like Rebel News and became a flashpoint for protestors and counter protestors. And the students who refused to attend the anti bulling event narrated that they had been "segregated" from the other kids and "oppressed".

Do you have any hard facts that convincingly tell a different set of facts?

 

[Valcazar]

I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with.

Disagreeing with "everyone's rights were violated".

I don't think that's the best way to describe what happened.

Seems like this situation could've been avoided.

That does look true, because I think there was a way to reach accommodation that would have worked for people but at some point things got too dug in.

 

[Mr.Gr33k]

At another point in time this story could've read: "Indiana school board forced a Christian teacher to call boys by girl names or something along such lines".



This is still the official motto of the United States of America.

For decades Americans were encouraged to believe in god.

What happened?

 

[dirtyharry555]

The diversity committee probably recommended (i.e. required) that he be fired. Not unlike companies under the gun to make sure everyone follows newthink.

 

[mandrill]

The diversity committee probably recommended (i.e. required) that he be fired. Not unlike companies under the gun to make sure everyone follows newthink.

You guys have already lost, haven't you?

When you lose in Indiana - a solid red state - you're totally fucked and it's just a matter of time.

 

[mandrill]

No, Mitch. I'm not interested in hearing the bullshit speeches, as spewed via True North. I want to know what actually happened, not horse manure.

 

[mandrill]

TDSB school marks International Day of Pink with Stonewall Riots survivor while dozens of protesters rallied outside

Despite some backlash from outside the school community, students seemed to really enjoy themselves, a TDSB spokesperson said.

www.thestar.com

TDSB school marks International Day of Pink with Stonewall Riots survivor while dozens of protesters rallied outside
Despite some backlash from outside the school community, students seemed to really enjoy themselves, a TDSB spokesperson said.

By Alessia PassafiumeStaff Reporter
Wed., April 12, 2023timer3 min. read


York Mills Collegiate Institute and the Toronto District School Board marked International Day of Pink on Wednesday with an in-person and virtual celebration attended by a Stonewall Riots survivor and a champion drag queen. Outside, protestors and counter protesters clashed over the message the event was, or wasn’t, promoting.

“This is a small group (of protesters),” said gay rights activist and Stonewall Riots survivor Martin Boyce in an interview after his keynote address to students. “In my time, it was the whole world. We know where we stand on the idea of righteousness, individuality and togetherness.”

Boyce, now in his 70s, is one of the last known survivors of the Stonewall Riots of 1969, which are considered to be the watershed protests that opened the doors for the gay liberation movement and the fight for gay rights in the U.S. and in Canada, and the precursor to Toronto’s Bathhouse Raids of 1981.



Boyce’s talk focused on LGBTQ liberation in the face of increased hate toward that community, and how it’s important to know the history of such to ensure it doesn’t repeat itself.

“It’s about courage, and individual courage,” he said to students. “They are fighting us, but we’re ready. We’re on the right side of history.”


He, along with a group of other advocates, speakers and performers, were brought to the North York school to mark the International Day of Pink — a day similar to Pink Shirt Day that seeks to end anti-LGBTQ+ bullying, and to commemorate the Stonewall Riots and the birth of World Pride.


York Mills Collegiate Institute was decked out in pink for the occasion, from balloons to streamers to tinsel. Open for students from Grades 7 to 12 to participate in, parents were informed in advance of what the assembly would include, TDSB said, and could decide whether their children should attend.

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And despite some backlash from outside the school community, students seemed to really enjoy themselves, said TDSB spokesperson Shari Schwartz-Maltz. “It was so powerful — we really have to advocate for inclusion, which is what this is about.”

Deputy mayor Jennifer McKelvie was in attendance, along with Colleen Russell-Rawlins, the director of education for the TDSB; Isaiah Shafqat, an Indigenous student trustee; Srgt. Robert Chevalier, the 2SLGBTQ+ liaison for Toronto Police; and Omid Razavi, the executive director of It Gets Better Canada. Each spoke of love and acceptance for all students, but especially those who are members of the LGBTQ community.

Icesis Couture, the 2021 winner of “Canada’s Drag Race,” also gave a performance, but it wasn’t one that would be seen at a typical drag show for adults. Fitted in a chartreuse dress with a large bow and a black beret, Icesis’s performance to Meghan Trainor’s “Mother” was a hit with students and faculty, and was arguably the one performance students were most enthusiastic about while watching.

Protesters and counterprotesters rallied outside the school

Save Canada, a youth-run Christian organization based in Nova Scotia, protested to “end grooming” outside of the school during the event. The organization’s website says it was inspired by former president Donald Trump and his message to “Save America.”

Josh Alexander, 17, of Save Canada, said Tuesday the organization is “disappointed” the board is hosting Boyce and Icesis Couture, adding it’s not fit for an educational setting and that the “grooming is incredibly inappropriate.” Speaking with media outside the school after the assembly, he echoed the same message.

In recent years, the term “grooming” has been used against members of the LGBTQ community, with some saying — without proof — members of that community, especially drag queens, contribute to the “sexualization” or “grooming” of children.

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/...-creates-first-us-monument-to-gay-rights.html

Police cruisers and officers surrounded the school and the demonstration, which remained mostly peaceful, save for a few incidents where people were pushing.

The TDSB said Tuesday it was aware of the planned protest and said they would have extra security on hand and had notified the local police division “just in case.”

Some students appeared to have joined the protest after the assembly, while others — wearing pink shirts — hung around the area during their lunch break. A counterprotest against Save Canada's message also occurred simultaneously. At one point someone grabbed a Trans flag from a demonstrator and ran away with it.


When the lunch bell rang at 1:05 p.m., the crowd dispersed and most students returned to class, while Save Canada protesters handed out their last copy of the Bible.

 

[mitchell76]

TDSB school marks International Day of Pink with Stonewall Riots survivor while dozens of protesters rallied outside

Despite some backlash from outside the school community, students seemed to really enjoy themselves, a TDSB spokesperson said.

www.thestar.com

TDSB school marks International Day of Pink with Stonewall Riots survivor while dozens of protesters rallied outside
Despite some backlash from outside the school community, students seemed to really enjoy themselves, a TDSB spokesperson said.

By Alessia PassafiumeStaff Reporter
Wed., April 12, 2023timer3 min. read


York Mills Collegiate Institute and the Toronto District School Board marked International Day of Pink on Wednesday with an in-person and virtual celebration attended by a Stonewall Riots survivor and a champion drag queen. Outside, protestors and counter protesters clashed over the message the event was, or wasn’t, promoting.

“This is a small group (of protesters),” said gay rights activist and Stonewall Riots survivor Martin Boyce in an interview after his keynote address to students. “In my time, it was the whole world. We know where we stand on the idea of righteousness, individuality and togetherness.”

Boyce, now in his 70s, is one of the last known survivors of the Stonewall Riots of 1969, which are considered to be the watershed protests that opened the doors for the gay liberation movement and the fight for gay rights in the U.S. and in Canada, and the precursor to Toronto’s Bathhouse Raids of 1981.



Boyce’s talk focused on LGBTQ liberation in the face of increased hate toward that community, and how it’s important to know the history of such to ensure it doesn’t repeat itself.

“It’s about courage, and individual courage,” he said to students. “They are fighting us, but we’re ready. We’re on the right side of history.”


He, along with a group of other advocates, speakers and performers, were brought to the North York school to mark the International Day of Pink — a day similar to Pink Shirt Day that seeks to end anti-LGBTQ+ bullying, and to commemorate the Stonewall Riots and the birth of World Pride.


York Mills Collegiate Institute was decked out in pink for the occasion, from balloons to streamers to tinsel. Open for students from Grades 7 to 12 to participate in, parents were informed in advance of what the assembly would include, TDSB said, and could decide whether their children should attend.

Skip Advertisement
ADVERTISEMENT


And despite some backlash from outside the school community, students seemed to really enjoy themselves, said TDSB spokesperson Shari Schwartz-Maltz. “It was so powerful — we really have to advocate for inclusion, which is what this is about.”

Deputy mayor Jennifer McKelvie was in attendance, along with Colleen Russell-Rawlins, the director of education for the TDSB; Isaiah Shafqat, an Indigenous student trustee; Srgt. Robert Chevalier, the 2SLGBTQ+ liaison for Toronto Police; and Omid Razavi, the executive director of It Gets Better Canada. Each spoke of love and acceptance for all students, but especially those who are members of the LGBTQ community.

Icesis Couture, the 2021 winner of “Canada’s Drag Race,” also gave a performance, but it wasn’t one that would be seen at a typical drag show for adults. Fitted in a chartreuse dress with a large bow and a black beret, Icesis’s performance to Meghan Trainor’s “Mother” was a hit with students and faculty, and was arguably the one performance students were most enthusiastic about while watching.

Protesters and counterprotesters rallied outside the school

Save Canada, a youth-run Christian organization based in Nova Scotia, protested to “end grooming” outside of the school during the event. The organization’s website says it was inspired by former president Donald Trump and his message to “Save America.”

Josh Alexander, 17, of Save Canada, said Tuesday the organization is “disappointed” the board is hosting Boyce and Icesis Couture, adding it’s not fit for an educational setting and that the “grooming is incredibly inappropriate.” Speaking with media outside the school after the assembly, he echoed the same message.

In recent years, the term “grooming” has been used against members of the LGBTQ community, with some saying — without proof — members of that community, especially drag queens, contribute to the “sexualization” or “grooming” of children.

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/...-creates-first-us-monument-to-gay-rights.html

Police cruisers and officers surrounded the school and the demonstration, which remained mostly peaceful, save for a few incidents where people were pushing.

The TDSB said Tuesday it was aware of the planned protest and said they would have extra security on hand and had notified the local police division “just in case.”

Some students appeared to have joined the protest after the assembly, while others — wearing pink shirts — hung around the area during their lunch break. A counterprotest against Save Canada's message also occurred simultaneously. At one point someone grabbed a Trans flag from a demonstrator and ran away with it.


When the lunch bell rang at 1:05 p.m., the crowd dispersed and most students returned to class, while Save Canada protesters handed out their last copy of the Bible.

Sorry, I don't read the Toronto Star, it's way too liberal, and left wing, for me. To quote @Frankfooter 's favorite phrase, "the Toronto Star is lying to you."

 

[mandrill]

Sorry, I don't read the Toronto Star, it's way too liberal, and left wing, for me. To quote @Frankfooter 's favorite phrase, "the Toronto Star is lying to you."

That's a shame, Mitchy. Because True North just covered a couple of their favourite Catholic whining little adolescent fuckturds and pretended that the protest was massive. In fact, the protest was minute and the actual event was lavish with performing drag queens, 100 year old gay guys talking about Stonewall, pink tinsel, lots of public officials applauding how amazing it is to be gay and every Diversity and Inclusion exec in fucking central Ontario accepting congratulations. I am surprised that Duggo himself didn't turn up in a blonde wig and heels and dance around to a Liza Minelli record.

You guys have lost so incredibly bigly everywhere outside the South that it's already just a case of few bitter old dudes whining about how they're going to "bankrupt bud light for being a groomer", while the rest of the world cheers on every bumpy-legged, bumpy adams-apple trans woman on the face of the continent for being "brave and resilient".

Why don't you guys just move on to sobbing about the Leafs or something like that. You lost.

 

[dirtyharry555]

TDSB school marks International Day of Pink with Stonewall Riots survivor while dozens of protesters rallied outside
Despite some backlash from outside the school community, students seemed to really enjoy themselves, a TDSB spokesperson said.

Don't conflate radical trans activism with Gay Rights.

 

[basketcase]

And if he taught at York Mills Collegiate refusing to follow the directive of segregating school kids with acceptable views and unacceptable views, would that be not doing his job?

"Just following orders" is only ok for the military where doing the unthinkable is often the right thing to do.

Could you please summarize what these spoiled rich kids have to do with a guy getting fired for refusing to follow his employers policies (without trying to claim that respecting kids is the same as the Holocaust)?

 

[basketcase]

... His religious beliefs were brought up before he had any trans students in his classroom.
...

Maybe I'm wrong but I can't remember what part of the bible says you aren't allowed to refer to students by the name they and their parents want.

And yes, another ridiculous hypocrisy. Parents should have the right to force schools to remove books that mention gay people but they don't have the right to determine what name the school should refer to their kid by.

I knew a girl who's parents gave her a male name because the dad wanted a boy. Wonder how this teacher's "religious" view would handle that.

 

[basketcase]

Don't conflate radical trans activism with Gay Rights.

Why not? Do you like to keep your anti-gay and anti-trans views separate?

 

[mitchell76]

Indiana teacher ousted for defying district's trans policy could get court case reexamined, attorney says

Rory Gray, attorney for teacher John Kluge, who was ousted for refusing to abide by his district's trans name policy, told Fox News Digital the case could get a second look.

www.foxnews.com