Toronto Mayoral Candidates

[Frankfooter]

True, but he hates it less if a right wing politician is running it.

We just had a decade or so of the crackhead followed by Tory.
How much worse can he treat the city?

City council?
Gardiner?
Transit?
Ontario Place?

He'll pay for the wrong big ticket transit builds (after Rob killed transit city) then starve the city so we can't afford the builds even with service cuts and fare hikes we have after Tory's budgets.

 

[Anbarandy]

We just had a decade or so of the crackhead followed by Tory.
How much worse can he treat the city?

City council?
Gardiner?
Transit?
Ontario Place?

He'll pay for the wrong big ticket transit builds (after Rob killed transit city) then starve the city so we can't afford the builds even with service cuts and fare hikes we have after Tory's budgets.

No land/property development fees. A $200-$300million a year freebie gifted to developers and paid for by city of Toronto taxpayers.

 

[dorothysquid]

 

[Butler1000]

Not bloody likely.

The great dawning/reckoning is now here as the connection between 25 years of center-right council rule and 17 years of center-right mayors and the state of disrepair and ruin has been formed in the minds of the electorate.

More of the same, you want?

You're quite mad, you know.

Except that isn't what is going to win this. There are always what's up right now issues. These are o
in no particular order.

#1 is public safety. Especially on public transit.
#2 is housing
#3 is infrastructure, especially transit.

So here is how I see it playing out. Anyone who says defund the cops loses. And percieved as doing that is out. Housing everyone will promise solutions, but little can really be done due to budget. The Gardiner Eastern revamp is going to become a flashpoint. Someone like Chow is going to say stop it and then the money argument(its already past the point of saving time and money) is going to set the tone of the election.

Its a big field but I see someone with little baggage and a common sense, conservative leaning message winning. I'm waiting for the full field to announce before making a prediction. It apoears Holyday at this point is a no so we shall see who qualifies.

 

[Anbarandy]

Except that isn't what is going to win this. There are always what's up right now issues. These are o
in no particular order.

#1 is public safety. Especially on public transit.
#2 is housing
#3 is infrastructure, especially transit.

So here is how I see it playing out. Anyone who says defund the cops loses. And percieved as doing that is out. Housing everyone will promise solutions, but little can really be done due to budget. The Gardiner Eastern revamp is going to become a flashpoint. Someone like Chow is going to say stop it and then the money argument(its already past the point of saving time and money) is going to set the tone of the election.

Its a big field but I see someone with little baggage and a common sense, conservative leaning message winning. I'm waiting for the full field to announce before making a prediction. It apoears Holyday at this point is a no so we shall see who qualifies.

So, despite your vast litany of TERB histrionics about why and how we so need accelerationist to torch the status quo institutions and politicians and start the 'great new rebuild', behind your great facade is nothing but a tried and true h center-right, status quo minion.

Long Dong Tory, "the common sense, conservative leaning messenger/messiah" that you have been so enamored with has brought the city to the edge of the fiscal and budgetary calamity cliff. A $400-$600 million budgetary crater is his and the other conservative leaning mayors and councilors kick in the face to the taxpayers of Toronto.

And you want more of the same?

"Please sir, can I have some more."

 

[Butler1000]

So, despite your vast litany of TERB histrionics about why and how we so need accelerationist to torch the status quo institutions and politicians and start the 'great new rebuild', behind your great facade is nothing but a tried and true h center-right, status quo minion.

Long Dong Tory, "the common sense, conservative leaning messenger/messiah" that you have been so enamored with has brought the city to the edge of the fiscal and budgetary calamity cliff. A $400-$600 million budgetary crater is his and the other conservative leaning mayors and councilors kick in the face to the taxpayers of Toronto.

And you want more of the same?

"Please sir, can I have some more."

Lol. Canada is fine. Its the USA that is in trouble. The difference is stark.

And I'm, as usual, discussing things from an objective perspective while you are again emotional. And please, your language is ALWAYS histrionic. And the budget deficit it pandemic related, especially due to increased homeless housing costs, other costs absorbed, closed businesses resulting in less property taxes(Queen street is still filled with for lease signs) and increased infrastructure costs as Tory forwarded much needed upgrades to sewers, streetcar tracks, roads, and other real things.

The province does need to step up. I expect, as someone mentioned they are awaiting who gets in.

And ask around what the concerns are. My above statements will ring true.

 

[Butler1000]

Looks like Mitzie is in. Field is getting crowded now with several name recognition types.

 

[Darts]

The last lefty mayor was David Miller and he paid $millions to people/companies to NOT build a bridge to the Islands.

 

[Anbarandy]

Lol. Canada is fine. Its the USA that is in trouble. The difference is stark.

And I'm, as usual, discussing things from an objective perspective while you are again emotional. And please, your language is ALWAYS histrionic. And the budget deficit it pandemic related, especially due to increased homeless housing costs, other costs absorbed, closed businesses resulting in less property taxes(Queen street is still filled with for lease signs) and increased infrastructure costs as Tory forwarded much needed upgrades to sewers, streetcar tracks, roads, and other real things.

The province does need to step up. I expect, as someone mentioned they are awaiting who gets in.

And ask around what the concerns are. My above statements will ring true.

Everything is fine in Toronto?

The Corporation of the City of Toronto will be closing the books on it's 2022 budget very shortly. And guess what there is a $230million hole in that budget that needs to be filled despite Provincial and Federal pandemic funding allocated to that budget. Legally the City cannot run an operating budget deficit nor can they borrow to fund the budget. So how do you believe they balance this budget? They will have to take $230million out of the reserve fund to balance the budget of 2022 which will leave about $360million remaining in the reserve fund.

You may believe that is just fine and dandy, but I'll tell you why it is not. The just passed 2023 budget has a gaping unfunded balance of almost $1billion. With just $360million left in the reserve fund the budget cannot be balanced and severe pain will be borne by the citizens and taxpayers of Toronto. Services will be cut severely, repair and maintenance will be cut severely, funding for programs, agencies and affiliated corporations of the city will be cut severely, taxes will need to be raised severely. And guess what, all those cuts and tax raises will still not be enough to balance the 2023 budget that legally must be balanced.

All those 25 years of conservative council majorities and all those 17 years of conservative mayors have led us astray and off to the fiscal budgetary cliff. All those years of just 1 to less than 2 percent property increases, all those years of not employing new sources of revenue and/or scrapping of sources of revenues, all those years of wasting billions on unneeded capital projects, I'm looking at you Long Dong Tory on your effin eastern end of the Gardner rebuild, at you Thug and Drug and your effin Scarborough subway extension, back at you Long Dong and your dumbass Dumbtrack and at you Butler, for I remember the TERB debates where you supported this waste of billions, have caused this fiscal calamity.

The pandemic does not account for all the budget funding deficit as Toronto will have a $46.5billion funding gap over the next 10 years and the pandemic has not caused that! 25 and 17 years of conservative policies and decisions have caused that.

Oh btw, property tax revenue income has not gone down as you claim. And for lease signs only mean sq. footage available for lease by landlords to aspiring businesses and not property tax not being paid. And capital budgets are separate from operating budgets.

So, you may think that you are certain in what you believe, but I am certain what you believe is far, far and away from what is certain.
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[Butler1000]

Everything is fine in Toronto?

The Corporation of the City of Toronto will be closing the books on it's 2022 budget very shortly. And guess what there is a $230million hole in that budget that needs to be filled despite Provincial and Federal pandemic funding allocated to that budget. Legally the City cannot run an operating budget deficit nor can the borrow to fund the budget. So how do you believe they balance this budget? They will have to take $230million out of the reserve fund to balance the budget of 2022 which will leave about $360million remaining in the reserve fund.

You may believe that is just fine and dandy, but I'll tell you why it it not. The just passed 2023 budget has a gaping unfunded balance of almost $1billion. With just $360million left in the reserve fund the budget cannot be balanced and severe pain will be borne by the citizens and taxpayers of Ontario. Services will be cut severely, repair and maintenance will be cut severely, funding for programs, agencies and affiliated corporations of the city will be cut severely, taxes will need to be raised severely. And guess what, all those cuts and tax raises will still not be enough to balance the 2023 budget that legally must be balanced.

All those 25 years of conservative council majorities and all those 17 years of conservative mayors have led us astray and off to the fiscal budgetary cliff. All those years of just 1 to less than 2 percent property increases, all those years of not employing new sources of revenue and/or scrapping of sources of revenues, all those years of wasting billions on unneeded capital projects, I'm looking at you Long Dong Tory on your effin eastern end of the Gardner rebuild, at you Thug and Drug and your effin Scarborough subway extension, back at you Long Dong and your dumbass Dumbtrack and at you Butler, for I remember the TERB debates where you supported this waste of billions, have caused this fiscal calamity.

The pandemic does not account for all the budget funding deficit as Toronto will have a $46.5billion funding gap over the next years and no pandemic has caused that! 25 and 17 years of conservative policies and decisions have caused that.

Oh btw, property revenue income has not gone down as you claim. And for lease signs only mean sq. footage available for lease by landlords to aspiring businesses and not property tax not being paid. And capital budgets are separate from operating budgets.

So, you may think that you are certain in what you believe, but I am certain what you believe is far, far and away from what is certain.
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I said Canada.....my so called "accelerationist" views apply to the USA. I have much less fear of a social breakdown in Canada due to a better social safety net.

The feds and Province are waiting for who will be mayor. Then they will make announcements about more funding for cities. Tmas the city is not legally allowed to run a deficit they will step in.

And the previous 20 years when the old Toronto City and Metro Councils did nothing to build transit, build other infrastructure and sent core repairs foreward so they could debate making Toronto Nuclear Free was just as at fault as any others. Add in a fractured council that was a much stymied by left wing councillors endless debates, committees, studies etc instead of actually building a subway station a year. It took a decade for the old City councillors just to acknowledge the 5 other cities existed after amalgamation and for the council to even start thinking about more than the old boundries.

Anyway the funding will come in. And you will whine anyway.

 

[Anbarandy]

I said Canada.....my so called "accelerationist" views apply to the USA. I have much less fear of a social breakdown in Canada due to a better social safety net.

The feds and Province are waiting for who will be mayor. Then they will make announcements about more funding for cities. Tmas the city is not legally allowed to run a deficit they will step in.

And the previous 20 years when the old Toronto City and Metro Councils did nothing to build transit, build other infrastructure and sent core repairs foreward so they could debate making Toronto Nuclear Free was just as at fault as any others. Add in a fractured council that was a much stymied by left wing councillors endless debates, committees, studies etc instead of actually building a subway station a year. It took a decade for the old City councillors just to acknowledge the 5 other cities existed after amalgamation and for the council to even start thinking about more than the old boundries.

Anyway the funding will come in. And you will whine anyway.

You are not only naive, but clueless too regarding the City of Toronto's fiscal budgetary and financial mega-problems.

Will upper levels of government continually backstop and fill Toronto's projected $46.5billion funding gap over the next 10 years.? Think about it, $4.65billion a year for 10 years?

Not bloody likely.

The difference between you and I, my friend, is that you are on the outside, while I am .......

Take it from someone who knows, there is a huge, huge problem and it's growing.

 

[Butler1000]

You are not only naive, but clueless too regarding the City of Toronto's fiscal budgetary and financial mega-problems.

Will upper levels of government continually backstop and fill Toronto's projected $46.5billion funding gap over the next 10 years.? Think about it, $4.65billion a year for 10 years?

Not bloody likely.

The difference between you and I, my friend, is that you are on the outside, while I am .......

Take it from someone who knows, there is a huge, huge problem and it's growing.

Sounds to me like there is a spending problem then. All the more reason to get a conservatice in. Tax hikes always move down. So it will mean rent increases. Is that what you are advocating for?

 

[Anbarandy]

Sounds to me like there is a spending problem then. All the more reason to get a conservatice in. Tax hikes always move down. So it will mean rent increases. Is that what you are advocating for?

Sounds to me like there is cognitive impairment ^^^^^.

 

[Butler1000]

Sounds to me like there is cognitive impairment ^^^^^.

Tell you what. You feel free to tell, Chow, Matlow and any other lefty that the best platform to run on is a massive property tax hike. Please do.

I'm sure it will work out just fine.

 

[Anbarandy]

Tell you what. You feel free to tell, Chow, Matlow and any other lefty that the best platform to run on is a massive property tax hike. Please do.

I'm sure it will work out just fine.

Tell you what.

Housing, health, social services and transit funding are Provincial responsibilities. You feel free to tell your boy Thug to man up, own up and fund up to his responsibilities.

Also tell you what. You feel free to locate your homie, Long Dong Tory in Phuket, Thailand and tell him that his massive 7.5 percent tax and building levy was 8 years too late. Please do, because he certainly f*cked Toronto up alongside his conservative councilors for those 8 years.

 

[Butler1000]

Tell you what.

Housing, health, social services and transit funding are Provincial responsibilities. You feel free to tell your boy Thug to man up, own up and fund up to his responsibilities.

Also tell you what. You feel free to locate your homie, Long Dong Tory in Phuket, Thailand and tell him that his massive 7.5 percent tax and building levy was 8 years too late. Please do, because he certainly f*cked Toronto up alongside his conservative councilors for those 8 years.

So then you won't stand by your assertion that its a winning strategy? Cmon man! Do it! March tight up to them and explain how a massive property tax hike, cancelling the East Gardiner eork and starting from scratch with another environmental assessment after 7 years is the right choice.

Then cancel the work at Osgoode Subway because those six trees on Law Society property are more important. Oh wait, they are down but its the principle dammit!

Stand by your position. Go ahead! Please!

 

[Darts]

And the previous 20 years when the old Toronto City and Metro Councils did nothing to build transit, build other infrastructure and sent core repairs foreward so they could debate making Toronto Nuclear Free was just as at fault as any others. Add in a fractured council that was a much stymied by left wing councillors endless debates, committees, studies etc instead of actually building a subway station a year.

The lefties love to waste time and money changing names like Dundas, Ryerson, etc.

 

[Dutch Oven]

Housing, health, social services and transit funding are Provincial responsibilities. You feel free to tell your boy Thug to man up, own up and fund up to his responsibilities.

If housing (which would include zoning and urban planning), social services and transit funding (which would have to include transit operation) are provinicial responsibilities, then what do we need a City Council or municipal civil servants for?

Anbarandy, you may be on to something! Unincorporate the City of Toronto! You have my vote!

 

[Anbarandy]

If housing (which would include zoning and urban planning), social services and transit funding (which would have to include transit operation) are provinicial responsibilities, then what do we need a City Council or municipal civil servants for?

Anbarandy, you may be on to something! Unincorporate the City of Toronto! You have my vote!

It's quite elemental, Dutch.

Because the Province has shifted almost all and/or significant portion of it's former responsibilities for housing, health and social services and especially the funding of transit operations onto the back of the city and it's taxpayers.

I know you don't have much, if any detectable knowledge of the city, it's administration and it's fiscal and budgetary realities, seeing that you live far, far away from the city and thus your expertise, or should I say lack thereof, is restricted to driving on the 400 series hwys, cocooned in steel, plastic and glass, oblivious and shall we say blindly and glaringly, ignorant.

 

[Dutch Oven]

It's quite elemental, Dutch.

Because the Province has shifted almost all and/or significant portion of it's former responsibilities for housing, health and social services and especially the funding of transit operations onto the back of the city and it's taxpayers.

With great power comes great responsibility. Toronto wants to make all of the expensive decisions. It's only rational to attach those decisions to the responsibility of paying for them. You haven't forgotten that the City was given the power to tax as well, have you?

I know you don't have much, if any detectable knowledge of the city, it's administration and it's fiscal and budgetary realities, seeing that you live far, far away from the city and thus your expertise, or should I say lack thereof, is restricted to driving on the 400 series hwys, cocooned in steel, plastic and glass, oblivious and shall we say blindly and glaringly, ignorant.

Ironic imagery, given your chicken-coop-in-the-sky-eye-perch over this humble berg. Aren't you literally ensconced in that said steel, plastic and glass all day long? At least the drivers in this city (not to agree about your take on the basis for my perspective, because you're off the mark) can see what life is actually like on the ground for those living it. You are like a drone pilot stationed out of theatre, whereas drivers are the ground mechanized troops on the city battlefield, suffering the wounds that come from their poor leadership safely tucked away in their ivory towers.

In any event, you finally get something right - that having a Toronto City Council is a bad idea - and it riles you up more than ever! You can't stand being right! A rare peeve!