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Its offical : Transphobia is here to stay!

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However, I am white, middle class and male, so I could go from being the least to the most oppressed with the flick of a wig and a suitable summer dress.
You would infact be one of the oppressed, precisely for what you just said here and the intent you implied.
 

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Oh? No doubt you believe that every self-id is sincere and true?

No doubt you believe the trope that Trans face an Epidemic of violence?
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Care to walk down this path with me that you've laid out using actual data from the US?
It is not my place or my problem to judge someone else self identifying as whatever they want - man, woman, cat, dog, name it.

But if you, who I dont believe would physically or even verbally assault someone IRL, for being trans, could say this, then believe it that there are people who would physically assault people for whatever reason.

The fact that you think there is even a need to "accommodate" people (based on your meme) shows that you view this as a power structure. That lends further credence to what those people are saying.

In reality you dont need to "tolerate" or "accommodate". They are citizens as much as you. You need to accept them as they are equal to you in all respects.

Now the whole woke nonsense over deadnaming, misgendering, forcing people to use non-English pronouns, trans women participating in female sports (atleast the ones where physical strength is a factor) - that is something that trans people need to adjust on. But that is another discussion.
 

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"my problem to judge someone else self identifying as whatever they want"
Really? Then you MUST be ok with bulimics self identifying as fat and have no issue with cutters self harming? Let them do what they want. You do realize the chop-logic you're using right?

"you view this as a power structure. "
Wow. You don't see it that way? Some - not all of course but some nen would never never EVER pretend to be women in order to gain access to their sex-based spaces? This is your argument? We should pull down all the gates protecting women & children because some men's feelings over-ride that of women? Huh.

Women have been sharing their spaces and accepting transwomen as sisters for decades without a problem. But with SelfID the trans community have let a wolf into their homes and by extension into their spaces. In order to keep women’s protections you have to gatekeep somewhere. It’s either at every refuge, changing room etc, or it’s removing SelfID. Trans is not the problem, it’s removing the gate.

"You need to accept them"
Really? We need to accept all of them? Really? Even the most obvious trans-tenders? Those in children's change rooms who were men mere months ago? Rapists that want to go to women's prisons? We need to accept the ideology that causes young teen girls to chop off their breasts, take T which sterilizes them? Is this the inclusivity that you're arguing for? Or should we recognize and call out the extremists that are causing problems for the 'real' trans. Oh wait, it's not a power structure so this doesn't exist right?

Of COURSE we can't be critical without being 'phobic'. One can be inclusive and caring without being foolish.
How about we start with: refrain from doing this
 

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"my problem to judge someone else self identifying as whatever they want"
Really? Then you MUST be ok with bulimics self identifying as fat and have no issue with cutters self harming? Let them do what they want. You do realize the chop-logic you're using right?

"you view this as a power structure. "
Wow. You don't see it that way? Some - not all of course but some nen would never never EVER pretend to be women in order to gain access to their sex-based spaces? This is your argument? We should pull down all the gates protecting women & children because some men's feelings over-ride that of women? Huh.

Women have been sharing their spaces and accepting transwomen as sisters for decades without a problem. But with SelfID the trans community have let a wolf into their homes and by extension into their spaces. In order to keep women’s protections you have to gatekeep somewhere. It’s either at every refuge, changing room etc, or it’s removing SelfID. Trans is not the problem, it’s removing the gate.

"You need to accept them"
Really? We need to accept all of them? Really? Even the most obvious trans-tenders? Those in children's change rooms who were men mere months ago? Rapists that want to go to women's prisons? We need to accept the ideology that causes young teen girls to chop off their breasts, take T which sterilizes them? Is this the inclusivity that you're arguing for? Or should we recognize and call out the extremists that are causing problems for the 'real' trans. Oh wait, it's not a power structure so this doesn't exist right?

Of COURSE we can't be critical without being 'phobic'. One can be inclusive and caring without being foolish.
Yes absolutely. What people identify as is not my problem. The rest of your argument about bullimia and self harm is a strawman argument. Bullimia and self harm are eating and mental health issues. Being transgender is not.

And no, I dont think transgender people are identifying as the opposite sex just to gain access to their sex based spaces .That is a hilarious conspiracy for someone to change GENDER, for a narrow set of incentives where they cant even be sure they will be successful. Let alone upend their entire lives and put up with hostility from people who see this as immoral.

Also why do you resort to such ridiculous strawman arguments? When I say you need to accept them, it is obvious I am referring to normal trans people.

As far as rapists or criminals go, they dont need any "special" attention. I mean is a trans rapist a more dangerous rapist than a male rapist? Is a male rapist a more "acceptable" form of rapist? lol. No. A rapist is a rapist and the law will deal with them the way it normally does. There is nothing further to be said about that.

We dont have disagreements that the extreme woke activists who call for gender transitions before legal age, or schools transitioning kids without parents approvals etc are not right. But that isn't the way things are generally. Those are still the outliers. Call out the outliers still, but dont make a mountain out of a mole hill.
 

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That is one of the most moronic things I have heard in a while.

The modern world was built by those who avoided guns and instead relied on their hard work and ingenuity.

In the post modern world, these guns are being used to kill kids.

It is high time we ban and confiscate all weapons.
Tell that the the indigenous people of Canada and the U.S. Their land was taken over by force using guns
 
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krealtarron

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Tell that the the indigenous people of Canada and the U.S. Their land was taken over by force using guns
Yeah but the country wasn't built using guns.
 

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Tell that the the indigenous people of Canada and the U.S. Their land was taken over by force using guns
Hmmm....

We had "Indian Wars" like the US had? News to me, Goose.
 

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You don't get it, yes it was, Their entire nation exists because of what they did using guns. That's what started the building. The genocide of the Natives
Yes the takeover was with guns so to speak. But to attribute all of the innovation, sacrifices, politics, trade, hard work and development to "guns" is a bit too reductive.
 

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Yes the takeover was with guns so to speak. But to attribute all of the innovation, sacrifices, politics, trade, hard work and development to "guns" is a bit too reductive.
That's not what I'm saying. Their country was founded by the gun making the building of their society possible
 
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