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Geee said:
Now, it's very easy to cherry pick a bunch of pictures of trans folk who have done horrible crimes and who are justly incarcerated for them.
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This. This is what gets me lol. Just posting a picture of 5 or 6 trans people who have done horrible crimes to insinuate that ALLLLL of them are like that is just the most ridiculous thing ever.

Now these are the same guys who wonder why women treat men as more or less "dangerous" by default. Or may be they need a pictures of a "few" horrible criminals from prison to make them understand.
 
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dirtyharry555 said:
The modern world was built using guns. Why would you want to rid the civilized world of one of its pillars?
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more like he wants to rid a bunch of cousin fucking rednecks from one of their pillars. The world has figured it out long time ago.
 
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Every single person in the world has some kind of grievance against something or someone. Very few pick up a weapon and use it to rectify it. So, people, stop excusing this monster. It not only makes you look like a moron, but also an accessory after the fact.
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I agree with jcpro. This atrocity has nothing to do with the scum's sexual orientation or gender. Is it mental illness? I'd say so. Is it easy access to firearms and weapons that should really only be seen on a battlefield? Fuck yeah.

I think what the intent of this thread was to call out what the right-wing media is doing - which is they will blame trans people for this while ignoring all the other school massacres or other mass shootings. Sandy Hooks -- they couldn't give a flying fuck beyond thoughts and prayers. Pulse Nightclub? Again, just a bunch of gays getting gunned down. They could blame a muslim extremist. It's never about the easy access to these weapons...

The point is, they are ignoring the main issue by deflecting and slandering the trans community. Look at the New York Post's front page:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1640708419068854272

Did this idiot shoot up the school because they were transgender or because they were mentally ill? Was it revenge for past treatment and trauma at this so-called christian school? We'll find out at some point I suppose.
 
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The irony and hypocrisy of threads like these never cease to amaze me; politicization of tragedies is wrong...unless they support your cause. Transphobia is bad, but hoplophobia is okay.

"Weapons meant for the battlefield"? Which countries issue pistol calibre carbines to their infantry?
 
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cunning linguist said:
The irony and hypocrisy of threads like these never cease to amaze me; politicization of tragedies is wrong...unless they support your cause. Transphobia is bad, but hoplophobia is okay.
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thankfullly, good old USA don't have hoplophobia!
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Geee said:
Ah yes, republican math and information sourcing...

Lets unpack that shall we....

First, there are roughly 5 000 Trans incarcerated in the US, of those, 15 are in women's prisons. The rest are in male prisons where they get abused by guards and inmates. I've not been able to find any BoP information that corroborates this jpeg's claims. Also note that things like Indecent exposure and prostitution are also construed as Sex Offences.

There is however a 48.47% figure, but it's not from the U.S. BoP. It's from Canada where they surveyed.... 99 Trans inmates.

Third, according to the actual stats of the Federal BoP they have 147,814 male inmates in the US at the moment.
They also list that 12% of all offences (male and female combined) are sexual offences so that is 17 726 people.

Don't believe me, look at it yourselves on the BoP's website. https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_offenses.jsp

Fourth, you are honestly going to sit there and say there isn't a general problem with sexual abuse in prisons. Women in prison are much more likely to be sexually assaulted by a guard.

Now, it's very easy to cherry pick a bunch of pictures of trans folk who have done horrible crimes and who are justly incarcerated for them. But it's just as easy to let data show itself...

Violent Crimes Against Children News — FBI

Press releases and other news relating to FBI investigations into violent crimes against children and other initiatives.
www.fbi.gov www.fbi.gov

It is March 2023 right now, the page shows 100 results at a time. Just to hit Jan 1st I had to hit show 100 more results twice. Most of the people in that list, dudes.

Hell, there's not a day that goes by without seeing yet another article about a priest, youth pastor or republican arrested for sex crimes against children.

Yet you don't give a fuck because "them trans are takin over our bathrooms and women's sports." and other fear mongering nonsense.

All this is just to hide the fact that your party does not have a fucking platform other than GUNS and JESUS.

Except if Jesus actually existed, he'd be bitch slapping the lot of you, That is if you didn't shoot him in the face for being brown, or denigrate him for being a Liberal.
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Let's unpack the hypocrisy here.

"First, there are roughly 5 000 Trans incarcerated in the US, of those, 15 are in women's prisons. The rest are in male prisons where they get abused by guards and inmates."
Absolutely weird that you apparently don't give a crap about the homosexual men that face more severe issues. Homophobic much? Transwomen in prison are 35% more likley to be there for sexual crimes. As you know, prisoners in prison for sexual crimes are targetted. So, IF, and this is a big IF, transwomen are assaulted in prison, it's very (no very) highly likely it's because of their crimes, not because of their gender presentation.

In addition, your entire argument appears to be, "Yes it's wrong but it's not very much so don't worry about it". Really? You accept it's wrong but yet permit it? What you permit, you promote.

Now, you present US data. Weird because we're Canadian. How about Canadian prison data if you're going to advocate for putting men in women's prisons. Oh right, they're women so, according to you, who cares right?

  1. 50% of the transfer requests are from sex offenders.
  2. Steve Mehlenbacher was a 3rd-time federal offender w 16 bank heists & is on sexual assault & criminal harassment charges Harks was a prolific serial pedophile.
  3. Byron Bushie aka, Arianna was charged with sexual assault at the Healing Lodge & involuntarily transferred to Edmonton for women.
  4. A "dangerous" male pedophile who once raped a young girl until she could not walk has been transferred to a women's prison in Canada. Frederick "Carissa" Radcliffe is serving an indefinite prison sentence due to the risk he poses to public safety.
  5. A Canadian government study into gender-diverse inmates in prisons reveals most trans women (males who identify as women) were convicted of serious violent offenses & sex crimes, with over half of their sex victims being children.
  6. It blows my mind how many people don't know that federally sentenced women can have their children under four live with them. By advocating for self I'd & men in women's prisons, you're not only putting women at risk but their children as well. Nice position you're taking buddy
  7. Article from April Kitzul, a former Parole Officer and Correctional Program Officer with Correctional Service Canada. She was employed at CSC for over 10 years and worked in four different men’s institutions. That is, she knows WAY WAYmore than you.
    1. Notably, some activists often claim that transgender inmates are the most vulnerable inmates and undergo constant threats and assaults. In my experience, there is a very distinct hierarchy in prison culture that dictates vulnerability. At the top of the hierarchy are gang members and their associates, drug dealers and cop killers (they are “solid”). At the bottom of the hierarchy are sexual offenders (they are “goofs” and “skinners”). So, if a trans-identified male inmate happens to also be a sexual offender, then he will indeed be harassed and threatened – not because he is transgender, but because he is a sexual offender. That isn’t to say that transgender inmates never get assaulted or verbally disrespected, but for the most part they are generally ignored and some get along quite well in the inmate population. Arguably trans-identified male inmates are no more unsafe than gay inmates, and we have never transferred gay men to women’s prison just because they are gay.
    2. It has been reported to me that trans-identified male inmates have sexually and/or physically assaulted female inmates. For instance, one case in particular involved an Indigenous woman who was sexually assaulted (raped) by a trans-identified male, resulting in criminal charges for the male inmate.
    3. Female inmates have also reported being sexually harassed by trans-identified male inmates.
    4. Women now go into the bathroom to change their clothes, but they can’t escape this voyeurism while they are sleeping.
    5. Sexual assaults, physical assaults and sexual harassment undoubtedly have a profoundly negative impact on female inmates. These types of incidents compound the trauma that female inmates have already experienced in their life. (but the feelings of men over-ride the safety of women right?)
    6. It is being reported that some female inmates are now arming themselves with “soup can in a sock” so they can fend off assaults by trans-identified male inmates, and are now refusing to leave their houses in order to avoid the compound that they view as dangerous.
    7. CSC’s current policy, which allows trans-identified male inmates to be housed in women’s prisons, means that some male pedophiles are currently serving their time in a facility that houses children. Overall, the practice of housing pedophiles and other sexual offenders in a facility that also houses children is a stunningly bad idea.
    8. ...and so on, and so on.. But who cares right? According to your orthodoxy, the feelings of men over-ride the gatekeeping and sex-based concerns of women.
"Hell, there's not a day that goes by without seeing yet another article about a priest, youth pastor or republican arrested for sex crimes against children."
YES, AND THEY ARE PROSECUTED FOR IT BECAUSE IT'S WRONG. Apparently you believe if a trans person does it, it's ok right? A crime is a crime not to be excused because you feel bad for the person.
Either way, your argument is a yawn. Red herring to distract from the subject at hand. Nice try. Do you have the mental focus to stick to the subject at hand?


All this is just to hide the fact that your party does not have a fucking platform other than GUNS and JESUS.
Huh. Despite no evidence that I post about guns and Jesus (for lack of evidence appears to be your thing), you accuse me of that. Ad hominum and Straw man.

You believe that your post is a cogent argument? One filled with ad hominins, red herrings and straw manning? How old are you? Not used to people disagreeing with you?
 
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krealtarron said:
Now these are the same guys who wonder why women treat men as more or less "dangerous" by default.
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No, it's likely because biological men are responsible for something like 98% of sexual assaults. If you're a women, you already know the odds of a random man being dangerous.

However, I am white, middle class and male, so I could go from being the least to the most oppressed with the flick of a wig and a suitable summer dress.

You can be inclusive and caring without being dumb about it.
 
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silentkisser said:
Did this idiot shoot up the school because they were transgender or because they were mentally ill? Was it revenge for past treatment and trauma at this so-called christian school? We'll find out at some point I suppose.
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Most likely because they were mentally ill. HOWEVER, there are those that want "to understand" the shooter and thus excuse their crime.
 
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John_Jacob said:
However, I am white, middle class and male, so I could go from being the least to the most oppressed with the flick of a wig and a suitable summer dress.
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You would infact be one of the oppressed, precisely for what you just said here and the intent you implied.
 
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krealtarron said:
You would infact be one of the oppressed, precisely for what you just said here and the intent you implied.
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Oh? No doubt you believe that every self-id is sincere and true? You don't see how advocates are demanding Transwomen (for it's always about the TiMs) be given a free pass?


No doubt you believe the trope that Trans face an Epidemic of violence?

Care to walk down this path with me that you've laid out using actual data from the US?
 
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John_Jacob said:
Oh? No doubt you believe that every self-id is sincere and true?

No doubt you believe the trope that Trans face an Epidemic of violence?
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Care to walk down this path with me that you've laid out using actual data from the US?
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It is not my place or my problem to judge someone else self identifying as whatever they want - man, woman, cat, dog, name it.

But if you, who I dont believe would physically or even verbally assault someone IRL, for being trans, could say this, then believe it that there are people who would physically assault people for whatever reason.

The fact that you think there is even a need to "accommodate" people (based on your meme) shows that you view this as a power structure. That lends further credence to what those people are saying.

In reality you dont need to "tolerate" or "accommodate". They are citizens as much as you. You need to accept them as they are equal to you in all respects.

Now the whole woke nonsense over deadnaming, misgendering, forcing people to use non-English pronouns, trans women participating in female sports (atleast the ones where physical strength is a factor) - that is something that trans people need to adjust on. But that is another discussion.
 
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krealtarron said:
It is not my place or my problem to judge someone else self identifying as whatever they want - man, woman, cat, dog, name it.

But if you, who I dont believe would physically or even verbally assault someone IRL, for being trans, could say this, then believe it that there are people who would physically assault people for whatever reason.

The fact that you think there is even a need to "accommodate" people (based on your meme) shows that you view this as a power structure. That lends further credence to what those people are saying.

In reality you dont need to "tolerate" or "accommodate". They are citizens as much as you. You need to accept them as they are equal to you in all respects.

Now the whole woke nonsense over deadnaming, misgendering, forcing people to use non-English pronouns, trans women participating in female sports (atleast the ones where physical strength is a factor) - that is something that trans people need to adjust on. But that is another discussion.
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"my problem to judge someone else self identifying as whatever they want"
Really? Then you MUST be ok with bulimics self identifying as fat and have no issue with cutters self harming? Let them do what they want. You do realize the chop-logic you're using right?

"you view this as a power structure. "
Wow. You don't see it that way? Some - not all of course but some nen would never never EVER pretend to be women in order to gain access to their sex-based spaces? This is your argument? We should pull down all the gates protecting women & children because some men's feelings over-ride that of women? Huh.

Women have been sharing their spaces and accepting transwomen as sisters for decades without a problem. But with SelfID the trans community have let a wolf into their homes and by extension into their spaces. In order to keep women’s protections you have to gatekeep somewhere. It’s either at every refuge, changing room etc, or it’s removing SelfID. Trans is not the problem, it’s removing the gate.

Again, with self-id, I am white, middle class and male, so I could go from being the least to the most oppressed with the flick of a wig and a suitable summer dress. Nothing else needs to change.

"You need to accept them"
Really? We need to accept all of them? Really? Even the most obvious trans-tenders? Those in children's change rooms who were men mere months ago? Rapists that want to go to women's prisons? We need to accept the ideology that causes young teen girls to chop off their breasts, take T which sterilizes them? Is this the inclusivity that you're arguing for? Or should we recognize and call out the extremists that are causing problems for the 'real' trans. Oh wait, it's not a power structure so this doesn't exist right?

Of COURSE we can't be critical without being 'phobic'. One can be inclusive and caring without being foolish.
 
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John_Jacob said:
"my problem to judge someone else self identifying as whatever they want"
Really? Then you MUST be ok with bulimics self identifying as fat and have no issue with cutters self harming? Let them do what they want. You do realize the chop-logic you're using right?

"you view this as a power structure. "
Wow. You don't see it that way? Some - not all of course but some nen would never never EVER pretend to be women in order to gain access to their sex-based spaces? This is your argument? We should pull down all the gates protecting women & children because some men's feelings over-ride that of women? Huh.

Women have been sharing their spaces and accepting transwomen as sisters for decades without a problem. But with SelfID the trans community have let a wolf into their homes and by extension into their spaces. In order to keep women’s protections you have to gatekeep somewhere. It’s either at every refuge, changing room etc, or it’s removing SelfID. Trans is not the problem, it’s removing the gate.

"You need to accept them"
Really? We need to accept all of them? Really? Even the most obvious trans-tenders? Those in children's change rooms who were men mere months ago? Rapists that want to go to women's prisons? We need to accept the ideology that causes young teen girls to chop off their breasts, take T which sterilizes them? Is this the inclusivity that you're arguing for? Or should we recognize and call out the extremists that are causing problems for the 'real' trans. Oh wait, it's not a power structure so this doesn't exist right?

Of COURSE we can't be critical without being 'phobic'. One can be inclusive and caring without being foolish.
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How about we start with: refrain from doing this
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1641118756389765138
 
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John_Jacob said:
"my problem to judge someone else self identifying as whatever they want"
Really? Then you MUST be ok with bulimics self identifying as fat and have no issue with cutters self harming? Let them do what they want. You do realize the chop-logic you're using right?

"you view this as a power structure. "
Wow. You don't see it that way? Some - not all of course but some nen would never never EVER pretend to be women in order to gain access to their sex-based spaces? This is your argument? We should pull down all the gates protecting women & children because some men's feelings over-ride that of women? Huh.

Women have been sharing their spaces and accepting transwomen as sisters for decades without a problem. But with SelfID the trans community have let a wolf into their homes and by extension into their spaces. In order to keep women’s protections you have to gatekeep somewhere. It’s either at every refuge, changing room etc, or it’s removing SelfID. Trans is not the problem, it’s removing the gate.

"You need to accept them"
Really? We need to accept all of them? Really? Even the most obvious trans-tenders? Those in children's change rooms who were men mere months ago? Rapists that want to go to women's prisons? We need to accept the ideology that causes young teen girls to chop off their breasts, take T which sterilizes them? Is this the inclusivity that you're arguing for? Or should we recognize and call out the extremists that are causing problems for the 'real' trans. Oh wait, it's not a power structure so this doesn't exist right?

Of COURSE we can't be critical without being 'phobic'. One can be inclusive and caring without being foolish.
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Yes absolutely. What people identify as is not my problem. The rest of your argument about bullimia and self harm is a strawman argument. Bullimia and self harm are eating and mental health issues. Being transgender is not.

And no, I dont think transgender people are identifying as the opposite sex just to gain access to their sex based spaces .That is a hilarious conspiracy for someone to change GENDER, for a narrow set of incentives where they cant even be sure they will be successful. Let alone upend their entire lives and put up with hostility from people who see this as immoral.

Also why do you resort to such ridiculous strawman arguments? When I say you need to accept them, it is obvious I am referring to normal trans people.

As far as rapists or criminals go, they dont need any "special" attention. I mean is a trans rapist a more dangerous rapist than a male rapist? Is a male rapist a more "acceptable" form of rapist? lol. No. A rapist is a rapist and the law will deal with them the way it normally does. There is nothing further to be said about that.

We dont have disagreements that the extreme woke activists who call for gender transitions before legal age, or schools transitioning kids without parents approvals etc are not right. But that isn't the way things are generally. Those are still the outliers. Call out the outliers still, but dont make a mountain out of a mole hill.
 
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